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Claude on Solomon - Your Thoughts?
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Alrightmate
18-12-2014
Originally Posted by MrSuper:
“It's a shame for entertainment purposes the person he was most harsh on was Soloman and not Daniel and Mark who really deserved it imo.”

But Mark, Daniel, and even Roisin did get one or two pressure comments. It wasn't plain sailing for them. And they at least appeared to have something reasonable to bring to the table.
I think that in hindsight Solomon may be the first to admit that he probably deserved to get a bit of a roasting.
Tourista
18-12-2014
Originally Posted by WinterFire:
“The business plan was known when Solomon first applied. It looks to me as if the only reason he was made an apprentice in the first place was so that his business plan could be made fun of.”

I believe this too.

Even the idea that these interviewer's get the CV's and business plans (or in Solomon's case his pretty pictures) the day of the interviews is laughable.
thenetworkbabe
18-12-2014
Originally Posted by Tourista:
“I believe this too.

Even the idea that these interviewer's get the CV's and business plans (or in Solomon's case his pretty pictures) the day of the interviews is laughable.”

Not least because the interviewers turn around and reveal how they have researched them. even if the day before is spent memorising and ironing out last minute issues in your plan, the plans must be deployed to the interviewers some time before.
thenetworkbabe
18-12-2014
Originally Posted by nomad2king:
“It was almost as if Solomon wasn't really interested in winning. He was just lazy about it.

Isn't he the one that is supposed to know about the internet and technology. How come it didn't occur to him to Google "business plan" and see what help and advice was out there? They may not have had access to the internet during the process, but they did beforehand, when the initial business ideas and plans would have been drawn up.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...t-9931572.html

He said: "I think I was too ambitious for Lord Sugar and too outgoing. He's not a fun person. He's very boring, he wears a suit, he's very money orientated. He just doesn't get life. I think that's probably why I got shouted out of the room because I actually have a personality and I'm not boring."..................................

"A lot of people have said I jumped off the wrong bus. I went on The Apprentice when I was meant to go on Made In Chelsea. I do hang out with a lot of the cast, we're really good friends, so I guess we'll see what happens there.".
Malik24
18-12-2014
Originally Posted by nomad2king:
“It was almost as if Solomon wasn't really interested in winning. He was just lazy about it.

Isn't he the one that is supposed to know about the internet and technology. How come it didn't occur to him to Google "business plan" and see what help and advice was out there? They may not have had access to the internet during the process, but they did beforehand, when the initial business ideas and plans would have been drawn up.”

I agree. I got this vibe too.

I don't think Solomon necessarily wanted his plan to be mocked so much as I don't think he really joined the process with the goal of being Sugar's business partner and perhaps wasn't playing to win. He probably had just planned to be a 'for the experience/media exposure/increase network contacts/YOLO' contestant and simply just did not put a ton of effort into the plan itself. I do think it's quite likely that he wanted to make a good impression on certain people, though - a touch of personal branding, as Bianca might put it.

As for Claude, he as an image to live up to, and expectations to meet.
Alrightmate
18-12-2014
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...t-9931572.html

He said: "I think I was too ambitious for Lord Sugar and too outgoing. He's not a fun person. He's very boring, he wears a suit, he's very money orientated. He just doesn't get life. I think that's probably why I got shouted out of the room because I actually have a personality and I'm not boring."..................................

"A lot of people have said I jumped off the wrong bus. I went on The Apprentice when I was meant to go on Made In Chelsea. I do hang out with a lot of the cast, we're really good friends, so I guess we'll see what happens there.".”

If he said those comments that puts me off him a bit.
He comes across as a bit bitter and a sore loser. Even some of the more difficult contestants can be gracious losers, and also admit after the series that they made mistakes and have learned what they can do to improve things about themselves.

I find it strange that it comes as some surprise to him that AS is money oriented. What does he think this show is about if to not try to win tasks by making the most money? If those are his true feelings in the article then he really was unsuitable as a genuine candidate and this was the wrong show for him. If that comment about Made in Chelsea is true then this really wasn't the show for him. He could have duped us all if he was never serious about going into business with AS with his business proposal, and it was more about an exercise in getting his foot into the door to become famous.

People around him have told him that they think he will somehow manage to become some super millionaire genius entrepreneur without AS, and I can't help feeling that those compliments may have gone slightly to his head.
fefster
18-12-2014
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“If he said those comments that puts me off him a bit.
He comes across as a bit bitter and a sore loser. Even some of the more difficult contestants can be gracious losers, and also admit after the series that they made mistakes and have learned what they can do to improve things about themselves.

I find it strange that it comes as some surprise to him that AS is money oriented. What does he think this show is about if to not try to win tasks by making the most money? If those are his true feelings in the article then he really was unsuitable as a genuine candidate and this was the wrong show for him. If that comment about Made in Chelsea is true then this really wasn't the show for him. He could have duped us all if he was never serious about going into business with AS with his business proposal, and it was more about an exercise in getting his foot into the door to become famous.

People around him have told him that they think he will somehow manage to become some super millionaire genius entrepreneur without AS, and I can't help feeling that those compliments may have gone slightly to his head.”


Not to believe everything in the press but those comments do ring very true. He didn't want to win the Apprentice. He barely put any effort in at all. What an idiot.
Joel_B
18-12-2014
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“If he said those comments that puts me off him a bit.
He comes across as a bit bitter and a sore loser. Even some of the more difficult contestants can be gracious losers, and also admit after the series that they made mistakes and have learned what they can do to improve things about themselves.

I find it strange that it comes as some surprise to him that AS is money oriented. What does he think this show is about if to not try to win tasks by making the most money? If those are his true feelings in the article then he really was unsuitable as a genuine candidate and this was the wrong show for him. If that comment about Made in Chelsea is true then this really wasn't the show for him. He could have duped us all if he was never serious about going into business with AS with his business proposal, and it was more about an exercise in getting his foot into the door to become famous.

People around him have told him that they think he will somehow manage to become some super millionaire genius entrepreneur without AS, and I can't help feeling that those compliments may have gone slightly to his head.”

Soloman comes across as very immature. It's a pity because until the interviews I thought he was quite good. All his "ideas" came across very badly because he thought they were "amazing" but with any costings. I have several ideas a day, but they are then subject to scrutiny and then costed out. 99% die at that stage.

Quote:
“He said: "I wanted to go on there and show that I'm a normal boy, I don't think I'm even a man yet.

"I am fun, I can flirt with girls, I can flirt with Karren, I can flirt with Claudine, and I can have fun. I don't need people telling me what to do all the time and all this business bullshit."”

I'm not sure why he wasted time on the Apprentice, apart from self-promotion.
elena
18-12-2014
I think another poster got it spot on in that Claude tried (or the producers persuaded him) to outdo the Jordan interview.
lady_xanax
18-12-2014
I think Claude was fair. He gave credit where it was due but he was insulted by the lack of care gone into the plan. There was nothing to grill Soloman on and why should Claude waste his time?

At uni I did English. If you hadn't done the reading for the seminar, you were told not to turn up. Simple.
Daniel_Gleeball
18-12-2014
Was what Claude did to Solomon statutory rape? He did after all shaft him without his consent.

Did not even have the decency to treat him to a romantic dinner or give him flowers afterwards. Absolute cad at best.
Galaxy266
18-12-2014
I knew that what Claude was going to do with Solomon. All that praise about how good his CV was, well, that was just part of the process if setting him up for what was about to happen. I could see it a mile off and wasn't one bit surprised when Claude started on him.

If you apply to go on The Apprentice then you know, assuming you get that far in the process, that you are going to encounter Claude Littner in an interview situation. It's not a secret and it's not a secret either of what he's like. You need to be able to withstand this meeting if you're to stand any chance of being in the final.

He's the same with everyone at the interviews. That's Claude!
Wallasey Saint
18-12-2014
Originally Posted by Daniel_Gleeball:
“Was what Claude did to Solomon statutory rape? He did after all shaft him without his consent.

Did not even have the decency to treat him to a romantic dinner or give him flowers afterwards. Absolute cad at best.”

That is way OTT, Claude did praise Solomon for his CV being no ridiculous claims, however Solomon's business plan was flawed, he had no figures on costings &, projections of any profit in future years, Solomon's plan was akin to a School project
Daniel_Gleeball
18-12-2014
Originally Posted by Wallasey Saint:
“That is way OTT, Claude did praise Solomon for his CV being no ridiculous claims, however Solomon's business plan was flawed, he had no figures on costings &, projections of any profit in future years, Solomon's plan was akin to a School project”

It was just an attempt at humour.
I totally agree with you.
He basically set him up so he could fall. As someone else stated you could see it coming a mile off.

He was totally in his right to do what he did. It was incredibly unprofessional of Solomon to produce a business plan like that. When I was at college first year business studies course, you were supposed to issue a business plan. If you produced one as half assed as that you would have failed the course. That's at foundation level of business studies. Let alone a potential candidate for being Sugars business partner.
Wallasey Saint
18-12-2014
Originally Posted by Daniel_Gleeball:
“It was just an attempt at humour.
I totally agree with you.
He basically set him up so he could fall. As someone else stated you could see it coming a mile off.

He was totally in his right to do what he did. It was incredibly unprofessional of Solomon to produce a business plan like that. When I was at college first year business studies course, you were supposed to issue a business plan. If you produced one as half assed as that you would have failed the course. That's at foundation level of business studies. Let alone a potential candidate for being Sugars business partner.”

Fair enough lack of smileys thought that was serious post.

Yep any business plan you need to look at incomings & outgoings, plus any profit in future years, not surprising Claude threw Solomon out his plan was half arsed.
Daniel_Gleeball
18-12-2014
Originally Posted by Wallasey Saint:
“Fair enough lack of smileys thought that was serious post.

Yep any business plan you need to look at incomings & outgoings, plus any profit in future years, not surprising Claude threw Solomon out his plan was half arsed.”

I agree I should use smileys more, just hate them. I think it's equivalent of making a risqué comment than laughing to show its a joke. I fear that you can come across as someone who is amused at their own wit.

I hope you did not think I was entirely serious. I certainly was not serious in suggesting Claude was guilty of statutory rape.

That aside I can't believe just how naive and unprofessional that was of Solomon. He obviously is not a lazy guy according to Claude's comment on his cv, but you certainly would think so going by his plan.
nomad2king
18-12-2014
You don't have to use smileys to indicate that something is not to be taken literally. There is something called scare quotes which indicate that eg "statutory rape".
aladdin_1985
18-12-2014
poor solomon. claude was way OTT
thenetworkbabe
18-12-2014
Originally Posted by Wallasey Saint:
“Fair enough lack of smileys thought that was serious post.

Yep any business plan you need to look at incomings & outgoings, plus any profit in future years, not surprising Claude threw Solomon out his plan was half arsed.”

Its not only that - there's nothing you can say about it. There;s no way to test its viability. Even if he throws figures at you verbally, it will only be a few - that he could be making up. You can't check, research , or relate one figure to the others .Its like just drawing a picture on your GCSE answer book in anything but an art exam - it gets you a fail.
george.millman
18-12-2014
Claude's approach to Solomon was the complete turnaround of how he was with Ricky. Claude went on and on about how appalling Ricky's personal claims were, and then said, 'However, I have looked at your business plan, and I was actually quite impressed.' With Solomon, he was incredibly positive about his application - I believed what he said, he came across as very genuine - but his business approach was appalling. He had nothing to go on, and nothing to speak to him about.

I had no issue with the way Claude was. If someone is unapproachable, they are unapproachable. I have a University teacher who left out of the room an hour before the the class finished the other day, because there was low energy and we weren't going to take anything from it. Why not be blunt?
rhumble
18-12-2014
In the end Solomon started to remind me of Boris Johnson, with his posh, bungling ways, especially on the You're fired show,
Socha
18-12-2014
Totally fair and a lesson Solomon won't forget.

Nothing more frustrating than someone turning up unprepaired for something they say is important to them and in doing so showing disdain for their professional conversation partner.

Only right reaction.
Shappy
18-12-2014
Is Solomon from a wealthy background?

If the dream to be on Made in Chelsea is true, he's as cheap as I thought.
coopermanyorks
18-12-2014
It was just done purely for TV , all the time Claude was building him up,we were all sat here saying.................wait for the BUT

But the guys BP was a Comic
BillyBatty
18-12-2014
I think if Claude had spoke to me like that I would have told him where to go and walked out of the whole competition.
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