I think had the series gone on another couple of weeks he might have sneaked it as he still seems to be on the up.

I don't think that, he was robbed. Unfortunately, not everyone saw what a lovely man and talented dancer, he was, so didn't vote for him. He's a winner in my eyes.

If anyone was robbed it was pixie.

The judges scoring would have been interesting in the final re caroline as compared to pixie.

I would have preferred a simon win over caroline but he was in no way robbed.

So what has Kristina being doing with Simon for the last 14 weeks if it isn't training him?

These grapes are so sour they should have been thrown out ages ago.

Nobody was 'robbed'. That's impossible with a public vote. The public decided that they preferred Caroline and she won. It wasn't theft. It wasn't unfair. It was simply by virtue of the votes that were cast.

I loved Frankie and Simon and would have been almost as happy for them to win as I was for Caroline. I am of course a Caroline and Pasha fan.

Why not just be a bit disappointed for Simon instead of starting childish threads. Simon and Kristina lost with good grace why not some of their fans. I voted for them every week and would have loved them to win but it wasn't to be. They held their own in the final and proved they deserved to be there, that's is an achievement in itself.

Congratulations to Caroline and Pasha!

Are you saying the original post I quoted from was sarcasm? Sorry about that, I didn't get it and I'm usually the master of sarcasm. Just sick of all these sudden racist-themed posts just because Simon didn't win. These people are actually racist themselves except they haven't got the brains to realise it. Can't even have a discussion about anythying these days without it rearing its ugly head. Crazy thing is they're deluded. I can't imagine anyone voting on a light entertainment show like this with race in mind. I voted for Simon. His AT was amazing. So what does that make me? A white hater obviously.

I would have preferred Simon to win but I missed a good chunk of the eps and I don't vote so my support counts for nothing.

Exactly this. I loved Simon too, but she was the better dancer. And, someone who dances AT regularly (the real one) I think Simon's was excellent. I also loved Caroline's. It was the first time SCD managed to get anywhere close to the real thing, and it was good to see.

I voted for Simon and I'd have loved him to win, but I don't think he was ever really in with a chance of winning. After three dance offs it was pretty obvious he just hadn't got the popularity to do it. BUT he did achieve the most important thing (to me), which was proving himself more popular than Mark Wright.

This is the course that she did (and it does appear to be a dance school!) http://www.bodywork-dance.co.uk/diploma/

Not that it precludes Caroline from winning!


Good point...

But I really do not believe that casual racism is sophisticated enough to prioritise degrees of blackness in fact, I think there is rather a lot of evidence that those of mixed heritage are more likely to be prejudiced against, because they can theoretically get it from all directions.

I voted for Simon, and for Patrick last year. And for Louis, but saying so in this context makes me feel a bit like I'm saying, "I'm not racist, because my friend is (insert ethnic minority here)"

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I think Simon's main problem was his surge in popularity came too late (semi final) bit like Natalie last year, who won a lot of folk round only with her showdance. Caroline's trajectory started a few weeks earlier. Frankie has probably flatlined, despite being consistently high, but couldn't beat Caroline due her dynamic trajectory. S'all about the public perception.

I quite liked all of the top three, so no complaining over here (but in terms of dance ability, it should *really* have been a three girl 1 boy final, with Pixie instead of Mark).

Well said. I also voted for Simon on the context of the final three dances, but I would have been happy for anyone to win. It was an enjoyable final.

And yet you thought that the BNP actually make such chants?

I may not be the one who needs to seek help.

I just find it amusing that a claim is made that a black man could never win because the SCD audience is racist.

Louis Smith is pointed out, and Mark Ramprakash too, but then suddenly they arw declared not black enough. Because apparently racists always consider mixed-race individuals to be white.

When Chelsea didn't win, we got the same comments, and threads...got quite unpleasant. I have noticed the goalposts have been moved again though... now we are no longer talking about mixed raced contestants, hmm.

The one about the BNP rally was indeed sarcasm! The poster was supporting my assertion that Louis' success goes someway to proving that the current SCD voting public is not prejudiced against non-white men.

Same argument you are making

Anyway, let's leave it to the side and celebrate how well Simon (and Caroline, and Frankie) did tonight, it was a good final. Even the showdances weren't nearly as cringey as say, last years!

I am so pleased Simon was the top male of the year in the end and not Mark Wright. Would have liked Simon and Jake to be the two males in the final, Simon's AT was fantastic so Im glad he was runner up(whether that be 2nd or 3rd)

At least, Simon was the top man!

We get emotionally invested in SCD (you probably don't, isn't your namesake a rather reserved chap?) and jump into action without necessarily reading everything perfectly, don't be mean

It's just observation, I wasn't trying to be controversial - it's just when people site Alesha, Louis and Ramps as black/asian winners we'll yeah they are but they're also mixed so could equally appeal a lot of the white audience too - I think someone who looks as if both their parents are black/Asian will have harder task to win support from the average strictly viewer.....I'm not saying it's the main reason why Simon never won or was in the bottom 2 three times but it could be part of it......but as I said I don't think he was robbed, I think any of the final 3 would have been worthy winners.

Sorry, I think we're on different planets here. I haven't mentioned any thoughts about any BNP chants. If this is some sort of cryptic reference to something then it's way over my head. Or are you simply a nutter? Actually are you being sarcastic again? I'm confused.

No, Caroline did come across warmer and more fun, hence she won as she attracted the voters.

'Zactly. Simon didn't win because his last sprint started too late.

By the way, in his last VT they showed the swimming pool in Hulme where my son took swimming lessons a few years back. Funny how familiar places on TV pull at the heart strings

Have we been watching the same program?

Go and read my post again, the one you quoted in full before stating I was irrational and needed to seek help.

Read it all the way through, pay particular attention to the second paragraph.

That paragraph is in your quote so you can read it in two different places.

Then you can always come back and claim I'm a nutter or need help again if you like.

Flackers did come across as quite a bubbly person. She was obviously favourite but I wouldn't have been unhappy if Simon had won (seeing as I voted for him) or Frankie for that matter. Never felt like that about the finalists before as I've usually had one particular favourite.