I just don't understand the nastiness - fine if you don't like someone that is everyone's right but why are some so nasty re someone they do not know? think he will be back next year not sure about JO she is already training dance competitors one of whom are representing England in the Europeans and maybe her future is in other places
Doesnt anyone feel a bit sorry for Kevin ???
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I dare say that as a mere dancer he has done well to gain any employment at all. The vast majority of people who try to make a living out of dancing (outwith certain entertaining styles) end up unemployed or at best asking people if they want fries with that.
Originally Posted by jumpingbudgie:
“Don't feel sorry for him at all. This is supposed to be a celebrity dance competition, not a pro-dancer competition. His OTT behaviour when getting through to the next round or getting a 10 gave the impression that he was much more concerned with his own status than Frankie's - and that did not endear him to me (and others judging by this forum).
I've also been a bit irritated by what I perceive as the production team's constant pushing of Kevin as THE pro-dancer. It started off last year with the continual references to him being from Grimsby - so what? None of the other dancers are referred to in those terms, so why him? This year it's been even more noticeable, with him being being asked questions in post dance interviews ahead of his celebrity partner, being given front of house positions in group dances or theme nights (Blackpool was the most obvious) and then cumlating in the camera showing his reaction when Mark and Karen got to the finals instead of actually concentrating on Mark or Jake's reaction.
I don't like it when a TV show tries to tell its audience who they should like 'the best' by way of over-exposure - it usually has the opposite effect on me, in fact, as I start to wonder whose interests are being served by this.
It's a shame really, because all it seems to have achieved is make him a fairly divisive character - something that really goes against the ethos of the show.”
“Don't feel sorry for him at all. This is supposed to be a celebrity dance competition, not a pro-dancer competition. His OTT behaviour when getting through to the next round or getting a 10 gave the impression that he was much more concerned with his own status than Frankie's - and that did not endear him to me (and others judging by this forum).
I've also been a bit irritated by what I perceive as the production team's constant pushing of Kevin as THE pro-dancer. It started off last year with the continual references to him being from Grimsby - so what? None of the other dancers are referred to in those terms, so why him? This year it's been even more noticeable, with him being being asked questions in post dance interviews ahead of his celebrity partner, being given front of house positions in group dances or theme nights (Blackpool was the most obvious) and then cumlating in the camera showing his reaction when Mark and Karen got to the finals instead of actually concentrating on Mark or Jake's reaction.
I don't like it when a TV show tries to tell its audience who they should like 'the best' by way of over-exposure - it usually has the opposite effect on me, in fact, as I start to wonder whose interests are being served by this.
It's a shame really, because all it seems to have achieved is make him a fairly divisive character - something that really goes against the ethos of the show.”
The constant shoving down out throats of The Cliftons, including shoehorning their parents in at every available opportunity has been a little too obvious for my liking too.
Last night when they recieved every 10, his fist clench and " Yesss ! " was also all about him. Frankie just stood there while he basked in his own glory. Annoying little twerp.
Copy/pasting this from another thread. 
Originally Posted by DiamondDoll:
“Never thought I'd be posting this today, but he reined it right in last night and allowed Frankie to be the star.
Maybe he's had a word in his shell-like.
”
“Never thought I'd be posting this today, but he reined it right in last night and allowed Frankie to be the star.
Maybe he's had a word in his shell-like.
”
Originally Posted by missfrankiecat:
“Only for people who don't understand ballroom it didn't. I thought her routine showed any producers that she would be good enough to work in a West End musical. And she was the only one you could say that of from what they performed tonight.”
“Only for people who don't understand ballroom it didn't. I thought her routine showed any producers that she would be good enough to work in a West End musical. And she was the only one you could say that of from what they performed tonight.”
I thought the routine was trite and unimaginative - even by ballroom standards.
I understand both ballroom and stage dancing - amongst other forms of dance - and I would not put her in a musical. She's not a strong enough dancer to handle it. Caroline, on the other hand, could.
I think Frankie is a beautiful girl, but her legs and feet never improved (Kevin is a lousy technical teacher) and she does not have what it takes to carry a musical.
Being in a girl band is perfect for her and suits both her personality and her talent.
I don't understanding the hating. But then, I don't understand why anyone would get so het up about someone they have never met, who is in a TV dance competition.
Kevin seems fine to me. I like his routines and I like his enthusiasm. He and Frnakie made a lovely couple.
Kevin seems fine to me. I like his routines and I like his enthusiasm. He and Frnakie made a lovely couple.
Originally Posted by Ian_Ogilvie:
“I dare say that as a mere dancer he has done well to gain any employment at all. The vast majority of people who try to make a living out of dancing (outwith certain entertaining styles) end up unemployed or at best asking people if they want fries with that.”
“I dare say that as a mere dancer he has done well to gain any employment at all. The vast majority of people who try to make a living out of dancing (outwith certain entertaining styles) end up unemployed or at best asking people if they want fries with that.”
those who are ex British and European champions (like Kev)would find work in the dance world teaching competitors etc since giving up competing and doing shows he seems to have worked steadily but he always has the teaching route to turn to - but the dance world is a toughie especially for the west end type dancers - it has a limited time and is very cut throat too have many ex pupils who have struggled at times (thank god for BTF
) though most after their West end days are teaching dance
Originally Posted by bendymixer:
“I just don't understand the nastiness - fine if you don't like someone that is everyone's right but why are some so nasty re someone they do not know? think he will be back next year not sure about JO she is already training dance competitors one of whom are representing England in the Europeans and maybe her future is in other places”
“I just don't understand the nastiness - fine if you don't like someone that is everyone's right but why are some so nasty re someone they do not know? think he will be back next year not sure about JO she is already training dance competitors one of whom are representing England in the Europeans and maybe her future is in other places”
I hope she gets a chance to come back and show what she can do. It seems such a waste to make such a big thing about having World Champion and then not giving her at least one full, proper showcase dance.
Originally Posted by bendymixer:
“those who are ex British and European champions (like Kev)would find work in the dance world teaching competitors etc since giving up competing and doing shows he seems to have worked steadily but he always has the teaching route to turn to - but the dance world is a toughie especially for the west end type dancers - it has a limited time and is very cut throat too have many ex pupils who have struggled at times (thank god for BTF) though most after their West end days are teaching dance”
“those who are ex British and European champions (like Kev)would find work in the dance world teaching competitors etc since giving up competing and doing shows he seems to have worked steadily but he always has the teaching route to turn to - but the dance world is a toughie especially for the west end type dancers - it has a limited time and is very cut throat too have many ex pupils who have struggled at times (thank god for BTF
) though most after their West end days are teaching dance”
After spending 25 years in recruitment I can assure you that most end up on JSA. Only a minority even make it through teaching, never mind being on the stage. Ballroom and Latin dancing aren't anywhere near as popular (except to watch on SCD) as they were in the 60s and 70s. Sending children to tap dance lessons used to be a common thing to do but is almost unheard of now. Not one of the dance schools from my youth exist now. Clifton has been one of the lucky few to make anything at all out of dancing. If I was aiming anyone at training for one field of employment it would not be dancing.
Originally Posted by aggs:
“I hope she gets a chance to come back and show what she can do. It seems such a waste to make such a big thing about having World Champion and then not giving her at least one full, proper showcase dance.”
“I hope she gets a chance to come back and show what she can do. It seems such a waste to make such a big thing about having World Champion and then not giving her at least one full, proper showcase dance.”
I've found their handling of Jo a bit strange tbh. Not that I expected her to get special treatment but she definitely hasn't had the same footing as Kevin has, him two contenders in a row, her two duffers which sends the Clifton Gurning® into overdrive. Think it's a shame she's not been able to show what she's capable of and in turn had a few people put off from her.
Originally Posted by FiercelyHip:
“I've found their handling of Jo a bit strange tbh. Not that I expected her to get special treatment but she definitely hasn't had the same footing as Kevin has, him two contenders in a row, her two duffers which sends the Clifton Gurning® into overdrive. Think it's a shame she's not been able to show what she's capable of and in turn had a few people put off from her.”
“I've found their handling of Jo a bit strange tbh. Not that I expected her to get special treatment but she definitely hasn't had the same footing as Kevin has, him two contenders in a row, her two duffers which sends the Clifton Gurning® into overdrive. Think it's a shame she's not been able to show what she's capable of and in turn had a few people put off from her.”
Was she there last year?
Originally Posted by DiamondDoll:
“Was she there last year?”
“Was she there last year?
”
Xmas special is what I'm referring to.
Originally Posted by FiercelyHip:
“I've found their handling of Jo a bit strange tbh. Not that I expected her to get special treatment but she definitely hasn't had the same footing as Kevin has, him two contenders in a row, her two duffers which sends the Clifton Gurning® into overdrive. Think it's a shame she's not been able to show what she's capable of and in turn had a few people put off from her.”
“I've found their handling of Jo a bit strange tbh. Not that I expected her to get special treatment but she definitely hasn't had the same footing as Kevin has, him two contenders in a row, her two duffers which sends the Clifton Gurning® into overdrive. Think it's a shame she's not been able to show what she's capable of and in turn had a few people put off from her.”
Two?
Scott and Mills?
Seriously though, I haven't quite 'got' the anti-Clifton from Near Grimsby thing but they clearly get up a lot of people's noses .
Originally Posted by MayD:
“Two?
Scott and Mills?
Seriously though, I haven't quite 'got' the anti-Clifton from Near Grimsby thing but they clearly get up a lot of people's noses .”
“Two?
Scott and Mills?
Seriously though, I haven't quite 'got' the anti-Clifton from Near Grimsby thing but they clearly get up a lot of people's noses .”
As I've previously said, Xmas special is what I'm referring to.
Originally Posted by MayD:
“Two?
Scott and Mills?
Seriously though, I haven't quite 'got' the anti-Clifton from Near Grimsby thing but they clearly get up a lot of people's noses .”
“Two?
Scott and Mills?
Seriously though, I haven't quite 'got' the anti-Clifton from Near Grimsby thing but they clearly get up a lot of people's noses .”
It has arisen, phoenixlike, from the little puddle of residual bile left over from last year's Susanna Reid hate-fest.
Or so it seems.
I think it's a case of a minority making the most noise on here. He is very well thought of and an extremely popular pro so no, I don't think he really needs me feeling sorry for him. 
Wish he'd have got a 40 for his showdance though - I thought it was fantastic.
I thought you had a background in ballroom, Sofakat? I didn't know that you didn't like it so much...
Wish he'd have got a 40 for his showdance though - I thought it was fantastic.
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“I thought the routine was trite and unimaginative - even by ballroom standards.”
“I thought the routine was trite and unimaginative - even by ballroom standards.”
I thought you had a background in ballroom, Sofakat? I didn't know that you didn't like it so much...
Well that was a surprise to see so many people echoing my own thoughts. I constantly tell the wife how much he annoys me. He appears so earnest and wanting the limelight. And yes, that whole "Yesssss!!!!" fist pumping at every opportunity got right on my wick too.
Of the male pros, he and Brendan annoy me the most. Why must we suffer them when we lost Ian Waite?
Of the male pros, he and Brendan annoy me the most. Why must we suffer them when we lost Ian Waite?
Originally Posted by Ian_Ogilvie:
“After spending 25 years in recruitment I can assure you that most end up on JSA. Only a minority even make it through teaching, never mind being on the stage. Ballroom and Latin dancing aren't anywhere near as popular (except to watch on SCD) as they were in the 60s and 70s. Sending children to tap dance lessons used to be a common thing to do but is almost unheard of now. Not one of the dance schools from my youth exist now. Clifton has been one of the lucky few to make anything at all out of dancing. If I was aiming anyone at training for one field of employment it would not be dancing.”
“After spending 25 years in recruitment I can assure you that most end up on JSA. Only a minority even make it through teaching, never mind being on the stage. Ballroom and Latin dancing aren't anywhere near as popular (except to watch on SCD) as they were in the 60s and 70s. Sending children to tap dance lessons used to be a common thing to do but is almost unheard of now. Not one of the dance schools from my youth exist now. Clifton has been one of the lucky few to make anything at all out of dancing. If I was aiming anyone at training for one field of employment it would not be dancing.”
maybe just the dancing schools you have come across then, our school is in its 60th year and my friends (in same city ) was opened by his grandmother in 1923 and all the schools of her rivals are still going too. Those who make the highest levels in dancing do make a career of it if they want to I conceed many do fall by the wayside - but we were talking about Kevin.
Have to differ on sending kids to dance school unheard of as well the schools are packed tap and ballet has never really dipped ballroom and latin did but is now back (though not as many compete) and other forms of dance Hip Hop, street and freestyle are huge - one competition held just last week at the Winter gardens in Blackpool moved cos the tower too small closed ticket sales in August - dance develops and moves on those schools that move with it are there and thriving
Originally Posted by Barbra:
“I may have voted for Frankie if her had a different dancing partner.”
“I may have voted for Frankie if her had a different dancing partner.”
I think so too - he is OTT.
Can never feel sorry for Kristina - will never vote for her & hope she doesn't ever win
Originally Posted by Ian_Ogilvie:
“I dare say that as a mere dancer he has done well to gain any employment at all. The vast majority of people who try to make a living out of dancing (outwith certain entertaining styles) end up unemployed or at best asking people if they want fries with that.”
“I dare say that as a mere dancer he has done well to gain any employment at all. The vast majority of people who try to make a living out of dancing (outwith certain entertaining styles) end up unemployed or at best asking people if they want fries with that.”
true, but there are some compensations, for example the internship opportunities offered by a forum such as this one, where you can not only teach but also judge! it may be unpaid but it fills the empty hours and also allows for the inflation of one's own credentials way past anything demonstrable in the real world.
by my estimation the forum offers one such opportunity, and its been filled for years....
Originally Posted by Ian_Ogilvie:
“After spending 25 years in recruitment I can assure you that most end up on JSA. Only a minority even make it through teaching, never mind being on the stage. Ballroom and Latin dancing aren't anywhere near as popular (except to watch on SCD) as they were in the 60s and 70s. Sending children to tap dance lessons used to be a common thing to do but is almost unheard of now. Not one of the dance schools from my youth exist now. Clifton has been one of the lucky few to make anything at all out of dancing. If I was aiming anyone at training for one field of employment it would not be dancing.”
“After spending 25 years in recruitment I can assure you that most end up on JSA. Only a minority even make it through teaching, never mind being on the stage. Ballroom and Latin dancing aren't anywhere near as popular (except to watch on SCD) as they were in the 60s and 70s. Sending children to tap dance lessons used to be a common thing to do but is almost unheard of now. Not one of the dance schools from my youth exist now. Clifton has been one of the lucky few to make anything at all out of dancing. If I was aiming anyone at training for one field of employment it would not be dancing.”
You must perhaps live in a strange part of the country. Dance schools are growing in numbers where I live and the school I go to has grown from strength to strength over the past few years. It started out as Ballroom and Latin and is now every kind of dancing and really busy. There are a lot of young competitive couples coming on as well as senior dancers doing competitions.
I cant see why Kevin is getting so much hate, shouldnt be surprised though there are some strange people on this forum which is why I dont usually post on here these days.
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“I thought the routine was trite and unimaginative - even by ballroom standards.
I understand both ballroom and stage dancing - amongst other forms of dance - and I would not put her in a musical. She's not a strong enough dancer to handle it. Caroline, on the other hand, could.
I think Frankie is a beautiful girl, but her legs and feet never improved (Kevin is a lousy technical teacher) and she does not have what it takes to carry a musical.
Being in a girl band is perfect for her and suits both her personality and her talent.”
“I thought the routine was trite and unimaginative - even by ballroom standards.
I understand both ballroom and stage dancing - amongst other forms of dance - and I would not put her in a musical. She's not a strong enough dancer to handle it. Caroline, on the other hand, could.
I think Frankie is a beautiful girl, but her legs and feet never improved (Kevin is a lousy technical teacher) and she does not have what it takes to carry a musical.
Being in a girl band is perfect for her and suits both her personality and her talent.”
Well...caroline has CERTAINLY had the training for a musical!!
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