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Frankie, Pixie & Caroline were the best three...
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cherry pip
21-12-2014
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Sorry, but as far as I'm concerned that's completely wrong.

The best three dancers were the three in the final, and then Pixie would rank 4th, followed by Mark and then Jake. Simon was the best male dancer by miles and his Latin technique was better than Pixie's and Frankie's, and his ballroom equally as good as theirs. Plus he came from a much lower starting point and created far more memorable routines.”

Agreed.
cherry pip
21-12-2014
Originally Posted by Littlegreen42:
“Simon and Caroline in that final were the best male and female this series.”

I think so too. Caroline, Frankie and Pixie were very close for me though, but Simon was the best male. I do wish we could have seen Jake's showdance as well.
sofakat
21-12-2014
Originally Posted by Pebrox:
“Simon was by far the best male dancer. Think Pixie and Caroline were the best of the women, with Frankie a close third overall.”

This. Watching them with a trained eye, I totally agree with this opinion.

Pixie sadly, did not get the right amount of votes and should have in the final instead of Frankie - but, hey, that's the way it goes when the public vote.
Mystical123
21-12-2014
Originally Posted by houdi:
“Wasn't he in the bottom 2 three times though? That sort of contradicts your argument don't you think? Don't get me wrong, I voted for him in the final (on his AT) but I really don't think he was better than Pixie or the other two girls taken as an overall judgement.”

I said 'as far as I'm concerned' i.e. my opinion, not an argument.

But frankly what the public and don't vote for has no bearing on who I think is the best, or indeed who is technically the best as a matter of fact. It's very clear the majority of the public don't vote purely on technique and talent otherwise Judy Murray and Scott Mills wouldn't have lasted a week.

I'm very confused as to why you think public vote and ending up in the dance-off has any bearing on how talented or technically good a celeb is!
Christa
21-12-2014
Pixie, Caroline and Simon were the best dancers, but I'd rather have watched Jake in the final as Simon slightly bores me.
jeffiner1892
21-12-2014
Originally Posted by houdi:
“Wasn't he in the bottom 2 three times though? That sort of contradicts your argument don't you think? Don't get me wrong, I voted for him in the final (on his AT) but I really don't think he was better than Pixie or the other two girls taken as an overall judgement.”

Don't forget though that the 3rd week he was in the dance off he had made a mistake in his dance, and was lower on the leaderboard as a result. Had he nailed that AS first time he might not have been in the dance off.
houdi
21-12-2014
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“I said 'as far as I'm concerned' i.e. my opinion, not an argument.

But frankly what the public and don't vote for has no bearing on who I think is the best, or indeed who is technically the best as a matter of fact. It's very clear the majority of the public don't vote purely on technique and talent otherwise Judy Murray and Scott Mills wouldn't have lasted a week.

I'm very confused as to why you think public vote and ending up in the dance-off has any bearing on how talented or technically good a celeb is!”

As far as I know there are trained dancers on this forum. This is their claim and I have no cause to doubt them. I suspect that everyone else are merely fans of the show and know nothing about the technical aspects, like me, and therefore could not not vote on the technical aspects anyway. However, many of them quote things the judges have said to make out that they know what they are talking about when in fact they don't. You clearly think you can judge on who is 'technically the best', but I can't, I'm afraid. I can only go with what looks good to me. To try and answer you question, I don't think any of it has any bearing because I don't believe anyone on here (except for a select few) know what they're talking about in a technical sense. It's all bluff to get a point across.
GeorgeMarsh
21-12-2014
Originally Posted by Chiltons Cane:
“The best 3 were Pixie, Simon and Caroline. Frankie sucked at latin.”

She didn't suck at the Samba and the Paso.
foxyred
21-12-2014
For me out of the trained dancers I think Pixie, Frankie and then Caroline.
Of the untrained dancers Simon, Alison (lol), Sunetra were my faves
foxyred
21-12-2014
Originally Posted by holly berry:
“Frankie has been consistently good but seldom breathtaking in her performances.”

It would have been interesting to see if she had placed as I feel that it was probably close for second place between Frankie and Simon
foxyred
21-12-2014
Originally Posted by Littlegreen42:
“Simon and Caroline in that final were the best male and female this series.”

Totally agree
Although I loved Frankie's showdance apart from the benches, she definitely would have got a 10 if it wasn't for that. However that was something she wanted so can't blame Kevin
primer
21-12-2014
the best three in the competition were simon, frankie and pixie

the best three in the final were simon, frankie and caroline.
Chiltons Cane
22-12-2014
Originally Posted by GeorgeMarsh:
“She didn't suck at the Samba and the Paso.”

Her samba was mediocre. Her paso i'll give you. For me she did 2 good dances all series. She should never have been in the final. She also threw a hissy fit everytime Craig criticised her. Little madam.
GeorgeMarsh
22-12-2014
Originally Posted by Chiltons Cane:
“Her samba was mediocre. Her paso i'll give you. For me she did 2 good dances all series. She should never have been in the final. She also threw a hissy fit everytime Craig criticised her. Little madam.”

Her Latin was better then Caroline's ballroom and she never threw a hissy fit, she made one joke after the horse comment.
Moonbean
22-12-2014
Caroline and Simon were the best for me, with her just beating him with her showdance.
Chiltons Cane
22-12-2014
Originally Posted by GeorgeMarsh:
“Her Latin was better then Caroline's ballroom and she never threw a hissy fit, she made one joke after the horse comment.”

Is that you Wayne?
yellowlabbie
22-12-2014
Originally Posted by Chiltons Cane:
“Her samba was mediocre. Her paso i'll give you. For me she did 2 good dances all series. She should never have been in the final. She also threw a hissy fit everytime Craig criticised her. Little madam.”

Can you hear yourself? Hissy fit indeed, pathetic.
Ian_Ogilvie
22-12-2014
Frankie's Samba was ace and her QS showdance was first rate. I've no idea what would make CRH make a silly "training a horse" comment like he did. If anyone can show me evidence of a hissy fit I will do a Samba in Oxford Street in a G-string! I promise you, that would not be something worth seeing. Frankie took everything in good humour like a true pro.
Rodney McKay
22-12-2014
Caroline and Simon. Pixie and Frankie were both good but neither really improved much. Jake just gurned.
pabird
22-12-2014
Pixie should be taken out of any finals conversation other than wishful thinking

The competition is danced in weekly heats and the highest judges/public scores going through to the following weeks heat

Pixie blew a heat with a technical and performance poor offering and correctly was voted off
You cannot change the nature of competition via wishful thinking
Mystical123
22-12-2014
Originally Posted by houdi:
“However, many of them quote things the judges have said to make out that they know what they are talking about when in fact they don't. You clearly think you can judge on who is 'technically the best', but I can't, I'm afraid. I can only go with what looks good to me. To try and answer you question, I don't think any of it has any bearing because I don't believe anyone on here (except for a select few) know what they're talking about in a technical sense. It's all bluff to get a point across.”

Plenty of people on here know what they're talking about, there are more than a few dancers on here, and plenty more, myself included, who take dance lessons and so can easily recognise a fleckerl from a pivot and so on. People may bluff about how much they do or don't know, but there are a much higher proportion of dancers on here than the viewing public as a whole I'm sure.

And many of the trained dancers on here generally quote the judges as an example of where the show is going wrong, not to make out they know what they're talking about, as the judges are quite often wrong!

You were the one who said that Simon being in the bottom 2 three times contradicts my view that Simon was the best male and had better Latin technique than Frankie, which is why i was confused as to what point you were trying to make - clearly the pubic vote will never have a bearing on either technical competence as a matter of fact or my opinion as to who is best, whichever criteria I choose to judge that on. I have to admit I still don't get your point in that regard at all.
houdi
22-12-2014
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Plenty of people on here know what they're talking about, there are more than a few dancers on here, and plenty more, myself included, who take dance lessons and so can easily recognise a fleckerl from a pivot and so on. People may bluff about how much they do or don't know, but there are a much higher proportion of dancers on here than the viewing public as a whole I'm sure.

And many of the trained dancers on here generally quote the judges as an example of where the show is going wrong, not to make out they know what they're talking about, as the judges are quite often wrong!

You were the one who said that Simon being in the bottom 2 three times contradicts my view that Simon was the best male and had better Latin technique than Frankie, which is why i was confused as to what point you were trying to make - clearly the pubic vote will never have a bearing on either technical competence as a matter of fact or my opinion as to who is best, whichever criteria I choose to judge that on. I have to admit I still don't get your point in that regard at all.”

Jeez this was ages ago. I don't even get my point or even remember it. Not sure I believe everyone on here who says they have dance experience though. It's easy to say that and how can anyone prove otherwise? I don't mean you personally, by the way. Looking back I think I was asking you to explain what you mean by technical competence. It's a general term and doesn't really explain anything. I'm not asking you to explain now, incidentally, as I've completely lost the point of this exchange and probably wouldn't undestand what you are talking about.
GeorgeMarsh
22-12-2014
In my opinion which I think is valid Frankie has been the most consistent dancer technically and she had always sold the performance so I don't know why people are saying otherwise, maybe just not as OTT as some of the others. And she did improve especially in ballroom if look back at her waltz and her foxtrot in the first few weeks compared to all her other ballroom she made quite a big improvment.
DingDong08
23-12-2014
Originally Posted by GeorgeMarsh:
“In my opinion which I think is valid Frankie has been the most consistent dancer technically and she had always sold the performance so I don't know why people are saying otherwise, maybe just not as OTT as some of the others. And she did improve especially in ballroom if look back at her waltz and her foxtrot in the first few weeks compared to all her other ballroom she made quite a big improvment.”

To be fair, Frankie could come out, fall on her arse, and run screaming around the dancefloor like a crazed pig, and you would still be saying that it was the best routine of the night.
Chiltons Cane
23-12-2014
Originally Posted by DingDong08:
“To be fair, Frankie could come out, fall on her arse, and run screaming around the dancefloor like a crazed pig, and you would still be saying that it was the best routine of the night.”

Haha true. But its his opinion. And its valid...
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