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Is this a rare year where we are all happy with the result?
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trevvytrev21
21-12-2014
Originally Posted by Thad:
“I like how this meme of 'Caroline is a terrible Ballroom dancer' is taking root.

She wasn't strong, but so what, she wasn't exactly Widdy at it either. Its beginning to sound like sour grapes.

Simon has excellent Ballroom and also some of the ropiest latin around. Frankie has pretty good Ballroom, but heavy legged latin with poor lifts. Having strengths and weaknesses and playing to those strengths make the show interesting.”

It's interesting, though, that you can argue that Caroline's best dances were all outside the 10 dance sphere. Simon improved in latin and I never felt uncomfortable watching him like I did, say Tham or Jake. Frankie was definitely better at ballroom but produced some good latin in her Paso, Jive and Samba. Caroline's best dances (Charleston, AT, Salsa) are a lot freer in terms of rules and choreography, and given her background, she would probably cope with those routines better than proper B&L. I would have liked to see her NAIL a ballroom or two to be completely happy.
Thad
21-12-2014
Maybe her best dances were those that you mentioned. But her passo, jive and samba and rumba, were no slouches either and better than those produced by most in the show.
jeanoj
21-12-2014
Out of the final 3, Simon should have won IMO. He was the only one of the three with no previous dance experience and therefore had improved the most. Both Caroline and Frankie had learnt to dance before. I hope Caroline is happy with her victory but, to me, it is a very hollow one.
*Venetia*
21-12-2014
I'm alittle disappointed that Simon & Kristina didn't win. I felt the whole show seemed to be building up to it somehow. I felt that they were the most connected couple and that AT blew me away, far more than Caroline's charleston or show dance (I am not a fan of contemporary dance). Kristina's reaction would have been phenominal (she puts her heart and soul into it) and been the icing on the cake for the final. Sad for her.

But Caroline was my second choice and no doubt a worthy winner.
Jim Kowalski
21-12-2014
I'll tell you what,I wouldn't care if people on here were fuming at the result.

If they think Caroline failed to show mastery of ballroom,I don't disagree.Kimberley or Chelsee were more convincing across the board yet they lost the public vote to rather limited and slightly wooden pretty boys who (to quote an erstwhile poster on here) "got their tits out in the final".

Caroline's win is not wholely undeserved,but more importantly it is some recompense for two years of injustice to Pasha's partnerships................so there
DiamondDoll
21-12-2014
Originally Posted by jeanoj:
“Out of the final 3, Simon should have won IMO. He was the only one of the three with no previous dance experience and therefore had improved the most. Both Caroline and Frankie had learnt to dance before. I hope Caroline is happy with her victory but, to me, it is a very hollow one.”

There is no doubt in my mind that she is.

When the winner is chosen by a public vote I cannot understand how her victory is a hollow one.
Monkseal
21-12-2014
St Jill was the only person in her final with (effing tons of) previous dance experience, I don't remember too much maundering about her victory being "hollow"...
Pebrox
21-12-2014
Originally Posted by DiamondDoll:
“When the winner is chosen by a public vote I cannot understand how her victory is a hollow one. ”

Totally agree. There's always a slightly skewed relation afterwards, as those unhappy with the result tend to be quite vocal about it. The reaction I've seen elsewhere such as on Twitter etc has been hugely positive - there are plenty of people very pleased with the winner anyway.
nagel84
21-12-2014
Originally Posted by kaycee:
“Not happy at all as the final was loaded in Caroline's favour.

The judges pick for Frankie was her weakest dance from the whole series, and yet they didn't give Caroline her worst dance (which would have been any of her ballroom dances) but gave her the only Latin dance she managed reasonably well, but which showed little improvement in the final. The judges all criticised Pixie for her leg action being inconsistent when she danced cha cha cha, when it was at least 50% perfect, but didn't criticise Caroline for her poor leg action in the final - wonder why?

Caroline then managed to avoid any of the technical dances by dancing contemporary for her showdance (a style in which she had previously trained) and a party dance as her third.

All 3 of the other finalists managed to show that they had actually learned the 10 dances on which the show is meant to be based.

In future finals I think there should be a rule that all 4 must dance 1 ballroom and 1 Latin dance along with their showdance.”

Well said! I agree completely.
ruby-tuesday
21-12-2014
No, we're not all happy with the result, I like Caroline and Pasha very much but wanted Simon to win, closely followed by Frankie, as these were the two couples that I enjoyed watching most, they did well to reach the final though and I'd rather Caroline won than Pixie, never mind, The Voice is on soon and I picked the winner in the last series
bornfree
21-12-2014
Originally Posted by kaycee:
“Not happy at all as the final was loaded in Caroline's favour.

The judges pick for Frankie was her weakest dance from the whole series, and yet they didn't give Caroline her worst dance (which would have been any of her ballroom dances) but gave her the only Latin dance she managed reasonably well, but which showed little improvement in the final. The judges all criticised Pixie for her leg action being inconsistent when she danced cha cha cha, when it was at least 50% perfect, but didn't criticise Caroline for her poor leg action in the final - wonder why?

Caroline then managed to avoid any of the technical dances by dancing contemporary for her showdance (a style in which she had previously trained) and a party dance as her third.

All 3 of the other finalists managed to show that they had actually learned the 10 dances on which the show is meant to be based.

In future finals I think there should be a rule that all 4 must dance 1 ballroom and 1 Latin dance along with their showdance.”

You have explained it so much better than I could. Good post. Caroline was constantly over marked IMO and I don't know why.
Makson
21-12-2014
I'm never happy when a "bottom 2" person rebounds to win the show...it taints their victory for me. I felt the same about James Arthur rebounding to win X factor in his year.
houdi
21-12-2014
Now, I'm by no means a trained psychiatrist but, as I mentioned to another poster in order to help them with their problem, I find that convincing yourself with some mind exercises that your own particular favourite actually won helps enormously, and even eradicates the bitter pill of disappointment. Yours, Sigmund Freud.
Hound of Love
21-12-2014
I didn't mind the result.

Caroline's win was well-deserved, although I also liked Simon and would have preferred Jake in the final four rather than Mark.

The only wins I didn't agree with in recent years, were Chris Hollins and Abbey Clancy.
houdi
21-12-2014
Originally Posted by Hound of Love:
“I didn't mind the result.

Caroline's win was well-deserved, although I also liked Simon and would have preferred Jake in the final four rather than Mark.

The only win I didn't agree with in recent years, was Abbey, last year.”

Was that Buckfast Abbey
trevvytrev21
21-12-2014
Originally Posted by houdi:
“Now, I'm by no means a trained psychiatrist but, as I mentioned to another poster in order to help them with their problem, I find that convincing yourself with some mind exercises that your own particular favourite actually won helps enormously, and even eradicates the bitter pill of disappointment. Yours, Sigmund Freud.”

Not everyone wanted Caroline to win, and would you believe - given the thread title - that some are discussing that? If discussion isn't for you then there are the appreciation threads up in the attic where only positive comment is allowed.
joh1965
21-12-2014
Personally speaking me and the OH weren't happy with the result, no
houdi
21-12-2014
Originally Posted by trevvytrev21:
“Not everyone wanted Caroline to win, and would you believe - given the thread title - that some are discussing that? If discussion isn't for you then there are the appreciation threads up in the attic where only positive comment is allowed. ”

I've been up there. It's full of old boxes and tatty Christmas decorations. Oh, and a water tank and a TV aerial.
Rhumbatugger
21-12-2014
I think this is a year when most of us aren't massively pissed off.

Caroline was liked, seems to have been second or third favourite for those who had others, mostly.

I'm not unhappy, I'm not massively happy, it's okay.

I think many feel the same.

I AM disappointed that Caroline was 'indulged' a bit too obviously, not doing any ballroom, and I really don't like that wafty emoshe shite that moves so many, but hey.

I can easily live with her winning.
Ellie1967
21-12-2014
Originally Posted by kaycee:
“Not happy at all as the final was loaded in Caroline's favour.

The judges pick for Frankie was her weakest dance from the whole series, and yet they didn't give Caroline her worst dance (which would have been any of her ballroom dances) but gave her the only Latin dance she managed reasonably well, but which showed little improvement in the final. The judges all criticised Pixie for her leg action being inconsistent when she danced cha cha cha, when it was at least 50% perfect, but didn't criticise Caroline for her poor leg action in the final - wonder why?

Caroline then managed to avoid any of the technical dances by dancing contemporary for her showdance (a style in which she had previously trained) and a party dance as her third.

All 3 of the other finalists managed to show that they had actually learned the 10 dances on which the show is meant to be based.

In future finals I think there should be a rule that all 4 must dance 1 ballroom and 1 Latin dance along with their showdance.”

Originally Posted by bornfree:
“You have explained it so much better than I could. Good post. Caroline was constantly over marked IMO and I don't know why.”

Agree. The way the judges ignored Caroline's technical deficiencies and overmarked her reminded me of Lisa Snowdon and Pamela Stephenson.
Rhumbatugger
21-12-2014
Originally Posted by Ellie1967:
“Agree. The way the judges ignored Caroline's technical deficiencies and overmarked her reminded me of Lisa Snowdon and Pamela Stephenson.”

I think they were even worse with Abbey Clancey mind.
Ellie1967
21-12-2014
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“I think they were even worse with Abbey Clancey mind.”

True. I guess its all part of creating the impression that every year the standard is 'HIGHER THAN EVER' and this group of celebs is the 'BEST EVER'. Seeing the headline in the paper today that Caroline had made history by being the first ever contestant to score 3 40s in the final just seems bizarre when you look back at some of the far superior winners (and runners up) from previous series.
Rhumbatugger
21-12-2014
Originally Posted by Ellie1967:
“True. I guess its all part of creating the impression that every year the standard is 'HIGHER THAN EVER' and this group of celebs is the 'BEST EVER'. Seeing the headline in the paper today that Caroline had made history by being the first ever contestant to score 3 40s in the final just seems bizarre when you look back at some of the far superior winners (and runners up) from previous series.”

Ain't that the truth. Many previous finalists have been better than Caroline, it's all a bit hyperbole, probably to 'fit' the voting, as well as hyping the programme.
bornfree
21-12-2014
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Ain't that the truth. Many previous finalists have been better than Caroline, it's all a bit hyperbole, probably to 'fit' the voting, as well as hyping the programme.”

Too true!
Thad
21-12-2014
In fairness to Caroline receiving the record number of 40s in a final.. I'm hard pressed to remember any other finalist being pretty much error free across all three dances.

That doesn't mean she was the best ever celeb, but she seriously delivered in the final and in my opinion deserves recognition for that.
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