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Old 22-12-2014, 13:13
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Surely tights are a 'throw-away' item after a couple of times of wearing?
Only if you purposely get crap cheapo ones or the wrong size. If I only got a couple of wears out of a pair of tights before they had to be chucked, I wouldn't be buying that brand again!
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Old 22-12-2014, 16:36
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Surely tights are a 'throw-away' item after a couple of times of wearing? They snag and never look good enough to keep after that.

£35 was utterly ridiculous. No wonder LS turned her down
I agree. BTW has anybody ever ever paid £35 for a pair of tights?
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Old 22-12-2014, 16:44
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Surely tights are a 'throw-away' item after a couple of times of wearing? They snag and never look good enough to keep after that.

£35 was utterly ridiculous. No wonder LS turned her down
For me they are. Apart from the opaque ones, I don't think I've ever worn a pair of tights more than twice without cashing them and having to throw them out
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Old 22-12-2014, 17:06
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I've certainly paid 20 pounds. Wolford used to do an amazing pair of shape tights but discontinued them, wish I'd known as I'd have bought 100 pairs! And Agent Provocateur stockings, but you're paying for the name there.

Opaque tights last forever, it's the 10 denier ones that sometimes ladder when you're putting them on for the first time.

I wonder if Bianca missed a trick by not developing the shapewear idea .. I can't see any evidence of a range aimed at black ladies, for example, who tend to have bigger/rounder bottoms. Spanx etc seem aimed at less generous booty.
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Old 22-12-2014, 23:30
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The idea is not new M&S used to do tone type tights only a few shades though. Maybe she should have done something like Kate Hudson's Fabletics.
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Old 23-12-2014, 08:51
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This would only work for dark skin colours. What white woman wants tights to match her winter white legs? Surely they wear tanned looking tights for a reason.
It's like foundation. You want it to match the rest of your skin rather than look like you're wearing a mask or that you have weirdly coloured legs.
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Old 23-12-2014, 08:55
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"True Skin" - how come Sugar didn't say it sounds like a blaaaady condom!
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Old 23-12-2014, 09:52
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I've certainly paid 20 pounds. Wolford used to do an amazing pair of shape tights but discontinued them, wish I'd known as I'd have bought 100 pairs! And Agent Provocateur stockings, but you're paying for the name there.

Opaque tights last forever, it's the 10 denier ones that sometimes ladder when you're putting them on for the first time.

I wonder if Bianca missed a trick by not developing the shapewear idea .. I can't see any evidence of a range aimed at black ladies, for example, who tend to have bigger/rounder bottoms. Spanx etc seem aimed at less generous booty.
There are several in the US. Frankly I think the shapewear industry here has covered all possibilites. Two of the Real Housewives started shapewear lines, and I think they were pretty much a bust, . There is nothing new to offer. Or if there is, Bianca is not going to come up with it.
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Old 23-12-2014, 09:59
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Surely tights are a 'throw-away' item after a couple of times of wearing? They snag and never look good enough to keep after that.

£35 was utterly ridiculous. No wonder LS turned her down
Apologies for coming very late to the discussion, but the first thing I said to my daughters is that she's not proposing to offer stockings as part of the range - I know lots of women, including myself, who hate wearing tights and prefer stockings. There are several reasons:

1. I've got a 34" inside leg measurement (although I'm only 5'10", all my height is in my legs!). Anyone who's tried to get tights long enough for that leg length knows that usually it's tied up with the sizing - in other words, short in height = small in tights size, and tall in height means buying x large... but I'm not 'x large' in size! So I end up with tights that fall down easily in the gusset area (a really uncomfortable thing) if I've got the length, or tights that never fit properly in the gusset area (because the gusset of the tights can't reach the relevant part of me!) because the legs of the tights aren't long enough, but the waist size fits ok.

With stockings it doesn't matter if the stockings don't 'pull up' all the way - I just lengthen the strap on the suspender belt and happy days! (I'm not a fan of 'hold ups' - they always become 'fall downs' at inopportune moments! But they're great if you don't like the feeling of a suspender belt.) But most importantly of all, no uncomfortable gusset issues because of mismatched size vs height measurements - because there is no gusset to have an issue with! I buy 'large' stockings, which gives me the right leg length, but it has no impact on how the stocking 'fits' in terms of the girth of my leg.

2. If you ladder one leg of a pair of tights, the whole pair is useless, even though you still have one 'good' leg. I suppose you could chop the dud leg off and mix and match with another pair of dud tights and 'double gusset' them, but I have enough issues with gussets as it is trying to get the sizing right on one pair of tights (see above!) to want to wrestle with two gussets at the same time!

With stockings, if (like me) you have bought several pairs that are all the same, you just throw away the 'dud' stocking, pull another single stocking out of your supply, and off you go. No waste!

3. I hate the restricted, slightly overheated feeling that wearing tights entails - I like free air movement! The only time I do wear tights is in the winter or if I'm wearing a skirt that is above the knee. The rest of the time, if the skirt is long/below the knee, including in the winter, I wear stockings.

With stockings the air has free movement (much healthier!).

(Obviously all my reasons are my own opinion - maybe no one else sees the tights/stockings debate as being driven by the same reasons as the ones I've outlined above!)

Admittedly, when I do wear hosiery it's nearly always black, but that's because I wear a lot of black for work and it's the best shade that goes with anything. But if I needed 'skin tone' hosiery, I'd still only 'choose' tights if I was wearing an above-the-knee skirt (which I hardly ever wear - I much prefer longer, 'gypsy'-type skirts) and would certainly look out for stockings in a better skin tone than 'tan' if they were there.

Contrary to popular belief in some areas () stockings aren't only worn by women who want to show their 'naughty' side first and foremost! They're also worn because they're comfortable, practical and cool in all the right places. My grandmother was the person who got me into stockings as a teenager, as she'd always worn them too (to her, I think tights were still a 'modern' invention'!). I had them in all the mad colour options of the mid-80s (who remembers electric blue with the little bows at the back of the heel??!! Or with little butterflies all over the legs??!! ) and as I grew taller I was very grateful to my grandmother (she was quite a tall lady too).

Which is another problem with Bianca's business idea - already she'd into a myriad of combinations just with the tights branch of hosiery. Whilst stockings are never carried in the same quantities as tights, I'd say that locally it's about 60% tights to 40% stockings on offer in all the major retailers when it comes to the amount of each on offer on display - not an insignificant proportion! To have to offer that same myriad of colour options in stockings as well is something I would have thought Bianca would have to consider at some point, but doesn't appear to have done so far. At least, I didn't hear her talk of anything other than tights, and possibly in passing 'control wear?

But I've never paid anything like the price point Bianca was proposing, even for the prettiest, laciest-topped, sheer 'run-resistant' 10 denier stockings from the 'posh' shops, let alone in the more well-known high street ones! As others have said, there are options out there already that are offering similar products to Bianca, so she's got to be able to compete with them and offer something the consumer wants to pay for feeling they're getting value for money - and then she's got to keep them as repeat custom and build up some 'brand loyalty'. None of that will happen easily, or cheaply!

It will be interesting to see Bianca's progress in a year or two's time.
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Old 23-12-2014, 10:23
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I think her price point is bonkers, it wouldn't be so bad if it was from an established producer who was trying to get into the "high end" market, but from a new business, I can't see it working. The women in the posh shop told her that £24 is the average price point for her tights, and they'd been established 60 years.

She be better of starting cheaper, getting her name out there, then offering a more luxury brand to those that require it.

To look at it in car terms, it's taken Toyota years to get the Lexus to be excepted as a luxury brand, and even now, not everyone excepts it. And they are one of the biggest manufacturers on the planet.
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Old 23-12-2014, 10:26
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I agree. BTW has anybody ever ever paid £35 for a pair of tights?
Robin Hood ?
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Old 23-12-2014, 10:27
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Well according to her hastily put together web page, we're looking at prices from £7.99 now. If it suceeds, expect them at half the price in Primani within a month, and her business down the chute.
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Old 23-12-2014, 10:32
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Having established that no one here pays for lot of tights, doesn't actually mean a thing. So, let's get this price of tights question sorted. There are tights for sale at £80 a pair - and more.
Look for these on Amazon
Fogal 'Goldenline' Swarovski Bronze Stone Tights
or these
Wolford Hosiery Starlight Fashion Tights with Swarovski Elements
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Old 23-12-2014, 10:38
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Well according to her hastily put together web page, we're looking at prices from £7.99 now. If it suceeds, expect them at half the price in Primani within a month, and her business down the chute.
We don't know what a pair of tights will cost Bianca to buy. Without that information, no one has a clue whether she'll have a business or not.
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Old 23-12-2014, 10:41
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Having established that no one here pays for lot of tights, doesn't actually mean a thing. So, let's get this price of tights question sorted. There are tights for sale at £80 a pair - and more.
Look for these on Amazon
Fogal 'Goldenline' Swarovski Bronze Stone Tights
or these
Wolford Hosiery Starlight Fashion Tights with Swarovski Elements
Exactly, and look at their websites. They have many styles that come in many colors/sizes, densities. So what exactly is new about Bianca's proposal. (ignoring the fact that she knew nothing about the market)
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Old 23-12-2014, 10:50
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Having established that no one here pays for lot of tights, doesn't actually mean a thing. So, let's get this price of tights question sorted. There are tights for sale at £80 a pair - and more.
Look for these on Amazon
Fogal 'Goldenline' Swarovski Bronze Stone Tights
or these
Wolford Hosiery Starlight Fashion Tights with Swarovski Elements
Hmm, while we agree some people may pay that, they're for special occasions, much like any other clothing, not something you'd wear every day.
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Old 23-12-2014, 11:13
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"Robin Hood, Robin Hood, riding through the glen,
Robin Hood, Robin Hood, with his band of men,
Steals from the rich,
Spends it on tights,
Robin Hood, Robin Hood, Robin Hoooood..."

Nah.
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Old 23-12-2014, 11:21
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"Robin Hood, Robin Hood, riding through the glen,
Robin Hood, Robin Hood, with his band of men,
Steals from the rich,
Spends it on tights,
Robin Hood, Robin Hood, Robin Hoooood..."

Nah.
Mel Brooks...

We're men, we're men in tights.
We roam around the forest looking for fights.
We're men, we're men in tights.
We rob from the rich and give to the poor, that's right!
We may look like sissies, but watch what you say or else we'll put out your lights!
We're men, we're men in tights,
Always on guard defending the people's rights.

[Dance number, chorus line style]

We're men, MANLY men, we're men in tights. Yeah!
We roam around the forest looking for fights.
We're men, we're men in tights.
We rob from the rich and give to the poor, that's right!
We may look like pansies, but don't get us wrong or else we'll put out your lights.
We're men, we're men in tights (TIGHT tights),
Always on guard defending the people's rights.
When you're in a fix just call for the men in tights!
We're butch.
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Old 23-12-2014, 11:25
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Hmm, while we agree some people may pay that, they're for special occasions, much like any other clothing, not something you'd wear every day.
Kids don't have to wear the latest nike trainers at £100, but they do. Sales of these tights could be affected by peer pressure.
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