Have they? Fair enough. Goodness it really must be me then. There's a good chance I have taken your posts out of context as I was reading thread and taking in the news...reacting from an emotional rather than logical viewpoint. I do do that sometimes. Sorry.

Im also surprised she didnt fly out to Pakistan where all those children got killed she is slacking our Kay

No need to apologise for anything, i don't think you've been unreasonable. If I say something on a thread like this I should have to justify what I say and I have no problems doing so.

No need for an apology, the poster's being a ****

I work right next to George square. Absolutely awful

We heard loads of sirens but our window looks on the side so when we looked, there was nothing to see.

Horrified to discover what happened. The people of this city have not had the best end to this year or last year with the helicopter crash. So sad.

Thoughts go out to anyone affected x

dose anyone know what happened to the baby in tha buggy.did he/she survive

Do you have links to support this statement? You do realise that not all overweight people suffer heart attacks, by any means.

my heart goes out to all the ones involed

Van driven into shoppers in France #http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-euro...e=news_central

I work in the industry and I find it staggering that the driver may well have been alone, if employed by the Council, which the images seem to show.

Normal practice is to have at leat 2 or maybe 3 opertives in the cabin, particularly collecting in such a huge and busy urban environment. These operatives are there to ensure that that the driver can reverse and park safely to adhere standard protocol and protect the public.

It is very sad day when a 28 tonne vehicle travels 300 metres down a pavement at speeds of up to 60 mph. The public would have stood no chance.

RIP to those affected.

Scary isn't and a tragic coincidence along with the dijon incident - but a witness told the news it was an elderly fella in the bin wagon as opposed to some nutjob rambling about allah!

For five years I worked at a place in my town where on my dinner break I virtually daily saw the bin wagon come down past my depot towards the town centre having been to the landfill site, and drop off the rest of the crew in the town centre (to have an early dinnertime finish judging by the fact they would say "see you in morning"!!) while the driver would carry on the journey across the town back to the council yard alone - that could be the case here.

I'm really not sure what type of links you want so I'll do my best to provide a few different ones.

http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2012/08/...-car-accident/

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/255196.php

https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...ety-statistics

That could lead to questions of whether every spare man was needed on the ground to collect the bins themselves - particularly if they had more to collect than normal because of Christmas and particularly if they were up against the clock.

Actually I do think it makes a difference it being close to Christmas. I lost my dad just before Christmas when I was a child and there were Christmas cards arriving with his name on them, I'd bought him presents which I didn't know what to do with and he wasn't able to be cremated until the new year.

It is a tragedy for all involved anyway, but it makes it all the more poignant at Christmas and harder for families to cope with - you feel you are under pressure to carry on if there are children in the family as you can't cancel Christmas when there are youngsters involved.

He wasn't alone
My heart goes out tonight to all the families and the good people of Glasgow
Such a sad sad time for so many just now

Condolences to the individuals killed and families involved.

My niece was there - how close I'm not sure. I expect lots of people had family shopping near the area. My mum phoned her earlier to check she was okay but we are waiting on her coming round before getting her story on whether she saw anything. She was also staying next to Kings Cross during 7/7 so she has a nasty habit of being near bad events.

Hard to speculate at this point. Heart attack sounds rational though but we must wait and see.

I know George Sq well (I think) and saw a quick picture on the news of the crashed vehicle. It seems a very odd place. When the event was explained to me I assumed an out of control vehicle had plowed down the street with the Strathclyde Uni union as that is a very steep hill and had then went across the clearing with the statue and the ice rink (sometimes). This looked more as if it came from the other direction unless it swerved into a giant turn. It's probably a good thing it wasn't my scenario as the casualties might have been a lot higher.

Actually thinking about it now - the street I mention which is a giant hill is used by masses of buses from Buchanan Street station. If a bus driver ever took a heart attack you'd be talking massive casualties because you'd have the passengers and then the scenario that you'd be travelling head on down a steep hill with ahead of you lots of families at whatever funfair or ice rink is in George Square at the time. And then there's the size of the bus.

I think George Square might need to rethink it's design a bit.

Strathclyde Uni's Union is about two blocks East of George square.

I agree, Christmas forces you to remember and think about these events more - my Granny had a stroke on xmas eve when I was 13, at 35 I still remember my Mum getting the call from my Granndad, I still remember me, my siblings and cousins, Dad and Uncles having turkey and chips for xmas dinner while my Mum and aunties were at the hospital, I remember the atmosphere of my home as my relatives came to terms on Boxing Day that she'd died at 3am that morning.

Even last xmas my partner's Nana died of cancer in a hospice on Dec 19th, christmas week was consumed by grieving family and a funeral that had to take place on New Years Eve of all days! thankfully me and the boyfriend had a few days away booked in Edinburgh and went up there after the funeral and have the memory of celebratting her memory in style

Its very lucky it didn't hit one of the pillars under the hotel! I wonder how many people were in the car it crushed?

I read this before
Glasgow City Council offered to turn off the Christmas Lights in George Square as a mark of respect but police requested they be kept on to assist with their inquiry.

How would leaving the lights on help them with their inquiry?

There aren't any pillars under the hotel

Depending on how bright the lights are, perhaps it means the police can continue examining the area for debris/skid marks/evidence overnight rather than having to suspend everything until tomorrow morning. Just a thought.

As barmy as it seems, they probably need to ascertain that the lights didn't dazzle or disorientate the driver

Nowhere is safe anymore day or night.

Isn't there access on Hannover street (or something like that) directly across from Queen Street station? I went to the union a few times during the 90s and that's where the access to the union was then. Maybe it moved. Maybe I was so drunk at those times that my memory is shot. Or maybe it's the next street along.

It matters not anyway - my point was about how dangerous that particular street (North Hannover) could be due to the combination of very steep hill and lots of people at the bottom and that it's probably not the best street to have buses on.

And I wasn't even directly referencing this event as I don't know whether that played a part. Just thinking that the particular road I mentioned (union or unionless) seems like a bad place to have a bus route - if we are talking about general safety of George Sq (and if ever people should think about general safety then it's in the aftermath of incidents like this).