It was an accident.

Reporting of the inquiry https://twitter.com/BBCPhilipSim

Catriona Renton ‏@BBCCatrionaR 11m11 minutes ago
Harry Clarke was suspended from first bus as of 28 December 2010 and started with glasgow council on 5 Jan 2011 inq hears #binlorrycrash

Yes, but if the Crown Office believes the deaths were a result of him driving having made that false declaration, he could be looking at a charge of causing death by dangerous driving.

Not another one!

You don't think the fact he may have lied to DVLA was unknown to the Crown Office when they made the decision not to prosecute him do you?

You seem upset. Perhaps you should take up yoga.


The triple negative makes this question difficult to parse.

Only at people who can't be bothered to read at least the last couple of pages. Too old for yoga, I'd probably snap.


Ok, don't you think the Crown Office knew about the apparent lie when they considered charging the driver? Better?

Latest report from the BBC seems to be getting rather personal, court bringing up a final warning from his employer about being late for work back from 2009, hard to find the exact relevance.

He supposedly didn't use First as a reference for the job with the council (not surprising given the above) and in fact had no references, although again I'm not entirely sure what the relevance of any of it is. Are they suggesting if he had references they'd have told the council 'Give it five years and he'll blackout and kill a load of people?'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-33717233

Maybe they want to ascertain what the council knew about their employee? Did they check his references? Did they know he had a history of sickness and absenteeism? That kind of thing.

What makes you think they did know at that time ? also the DVLA only asks about blackouts if they are an ongoing health problem not for one offs that have no long term affect which it may have been before

https://www.gov.uk/blackouts-and-driving

You may need to tell DVLA if you have blackouts or fainting (syncope).

Bus, coach or lorry licence

Check with your doctor or consultant if your blackouts, fainting or syncope affect your driving.

You must tell DVLA if they do. Fill in form FEP1V and send it to DVLA. The address is on the form

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...0448/FEP1V.pdf

this form is the medical form and the blackout would only be declared if as they say the doctor considers it to affect your driving, one would assume his GP did not at that time or when he had a medical to renew his licence in 2012 or they would have informed DVLA themselves.

Do you really think the QC for the families, who brought the matter up, would have held that information back from the authorities so she could have a 'Perry Mason moment' at the FAI?

I'm not sure if that was asked and answered.

It looks as though Glasgow City Council knew very little, if anything, about the driver's previous employment, given that the driver provided 2 references...

" Mr Conway: "Someone has blundered, either at First Bus, or at Glasgow City Council carrying out grossly incompetent employment process."

IIRC The driver was on suspension from First Bus, resigned and took up employment with GCC.

That might have been preventable.

I'm starting to think the same after today's proceedings. But still giving the driver the benefit of doubt until all evidence is heard. Doesn't look good for him or GCC's hiring procedure though at the moment.

The latest reports are also stating that Mr Clarke did previously have his driving licences revoked......which indicates the DVLA knew of his medical history, so i'm now left wondering if the 'form' referred to yesterday on which he lied was a job application form.

If it's anything like other councils, it's not what you know but who you know when getting a job.

They don't automatically check previous employers then? (I've been out of the work force for quite some time!)

Licence revoked: Was that not referring to having his licence issued April 2015 and revoked in June 2015? (I've probably read it wrong - I thought he applied after the accident and quickly got it revoked.)

Sure but none of it sounds good and I think this tragedy was waiting to happen and might have been avoided.

The BBC link is somewhat vague. It says; The inquiry also heard Mr Clarke had his driving and lorry licences reinstated but revoked again in June. Unfortunately it doesn't state what year! However DVLA laws have changed considerably and for lorries and buses, if a driver has had his licence revoked he can have it restored after 3 months if the cause has been identified and treated. The underlined being very important.

exactly and should never have happened six lives lost and many hurt, some badly...

It's a bit of stretch to attach much importance re him being less than honest on an application form, something we all have surely done.

Asked whether he considered himself to have a disability, he said No.

Well given what happened he is hardly likely to admit that he he thought he was unfit to drive even if he did have private concerns.

As for the 'bit of a stretch' he has been shown to have been dishonest about his medical history on several different occasions.

I am afraid then BBC article is a bit woolly, this DM article is more clear

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...wheel-bus.html

It's not when it come to holding a driving licence.

I would have thought driving a vehicle that size honesty would be important.

Agree with that - I just (wrongly I suspect) assumed they were talking of events after the accident.