From:

http://www.scottishlegal.com/2015/07...-lorry-driver/

The Crown won't have come to the decision easily I imagine. They will have to weigh up all the factors before they have come to their decision. Your opinion is from not knowing the relevant laws or facts so isn't worth a lot.

not outrage Robin...its about justice for the people who should still be walking around today only for this liar.

Outrage? This man applied for his licence back a few weeks after the crash. Once again he did not disclose his illness or the accident. DVLA only took his licence off him in June after the FAI was brought to their attention. Hes irresponsible and the streets of Glasgow dont need him on it. Hes also still on full salary paid by counciltax payers despite lying on his application. Too right Im outraged!

Is your outrage supposed to trump legal experts decisions?

I hope so. Not because I am after blood or want to punish someone for blacking out but because of the lies and omissions from the man over a period of years. I'd be wanting to know what's the point of having all these regulations if a person can just lie his way through them without any repercussions. We might as well bin all the rules.

The Legal Eagles in this case said early on that NO prosecutions would be made,meaning the Council as well as this driver.., isn't this a big cover up to keep the council clean as well as allowing this man still to work for them.. its criminal...and an insult to the grieving families, I don't understand these people who sympathise with this driver, and now are patting him on the back to let him get on with his life after all this.... you don't live in the real world.... Peoples hearts are forever broken because of what has happened.. he should never drive again..and him and the council should be shamed , Im disgusted with this case.

Why hasnt he been disciplined for lying on his job application?

And legal experts have been wrong before. You only need to look at whats came out re child protection to see that.

Yes what message it it giving out to others who work there or want a job with the council... or did they have to keep him on out of what might be found out about their incompetence if they sacked him...

Mars bar diets aside, driving lorries, public service vehicles, HGVs is so stressful on drivers health, it's tough work.

There doesn't appear to be the will to prevent this from happening again, any where.

Those that are saying the driver couldn't have known he was going to have a spell, regardless of nature, so was not responsible for the accident, I would say this.

Long distant HGV drivers have to take a break, in the early years many accident involving these drivers were due to them falling asleep, they had no intention of falling asleep or knew they were going to.

Blanket rules and regs' were brought in to help prevent this and they have helped.

As I wrote earlier it would seem to me the way to help prevent another lorry crash of this nature and further deaths, would be to put all the above drivers on a tread mill every two years as part of their fitness to drive such vehicles.

I am in no doubt if every of the above drivers were tested today, quite a few would be taken off the road and there lays the issue, it would cause huge disruption all round but lives would be saved, would have been saved.

I think this is another clear demonstration of the "soft on crime, soft on the causes of crime" attitude. The driver should be inside for manslaughter at the very least.

I read this in The National.


http://www.thenational.scot/news/law...ime=1438842753

Fatal bin lorry crash driver suspended

UPDATE - Glasgow City Council statement

Posted at 14:27


"The council can confirm that it has suspended Mr Harry Clarke on a precautionary basis pending a full disciplinary investigation.

"A number of allegations have been made during the enquiry in regard to Mr Clarke's conduct before and at the point where he commenced employment with the council.

"These allegations have yet to be put to Mr Clarke and he has not yet had the opportunity of responding to them.

"The internal investigation will therefore take place at the conclusion of the FAI."

This odious man killed 6 people. Not only is he not being done for manslaughter - he must've known he was at risk of blacking out again - he gets a paid holiday from work instead.

A spokesman for the council confirmed that it had suspended Mr Clarke on a precautionary basis pending a full disciplinary investigation.




He added: "A number of allegations have been made during the enquiry in regard to Mr Clarke's conduct before and at the point where he commenced employment with the council.

"These allegations have yet to be put to Mr Clarke and he has not yet had the opportunity of responding to them. The internal investigation will therefore take place at the conclusion of the fatal accident inquiry".


How the hell did this man feel when he was sent lovely messages from the families of the deceased he killed... and now what are they thinking I wonder.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-crash-5114468

I'm afraid the consequences of this don't bear thinking about....but i've said this all along. Lie to the DVLA, insurance companies, employers about a health condition at your own peril. Giving a GP misleading information also amounts to the same.

Seems he has a long list now of lies to answer to... I wonder what he ll have to say for himself in court...

So the Council are now claiming that allegations have come to light through the FAI that they didnt know about? So much for all parties being in receipt of all the facts before the FAI.

One of the reasons I am so angry about this is that the Crown, the COuncil, the driver all seem to have forgotten the victims and their main aim has been to cover their own arses or cover up what happened in general.

A local Glasgow paper had the fact he was still being paid despite his lies on the front page today. Would the Council have acted if the paper hadn't published? They were supposed to have all the facts remember!

The Crown knew the facts to make a decision based on law, who said the council did? I don't think the Crown, council or driver have forgotten the victims, that is your own opinion on the event and not one that correlates with reality.

Who's suggesting the council had all the facts? The council would not have been party to the police investigation that led to the Crown Office decision.

One of the posters on here said they had all the facts when I raised the question of him still being employed.

They clearly didn't before the crash and could have.

What post?

No it appears that more sympathy went to the driver, and why the photos of the deceased and their funerals should never be forgotten... you seem to know more about this than anyone.. and only agree with the senior lawyers who took the first half witted decision to admonish all blame from the driver and the council... now its showing that mistakes and big ones have been made by both....

After reading some of the threads on here, despite none of us knowing all the facts, it wouldn't surprise me (oops it isn't one of my posts you're referring to is it? ) .

I doubt that very much.