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Prosecuting him for low level DVLA offences would console you?
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It would be a start.
His determination to get back behind the wheel, quite frankly, baffled me. |
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If i was a family member of one of the six victims, i most certainly would be wanting Harry Clarke to be prosecuted.
This whole episode could easily have been avoided but for the blatant lies perpetrated by Harry. Surely he can't come out of this scot free. |
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I'm beginning to think that perhaps a prosecution could be the only way for this driver - applying for his licence so soon after the accident seems, to me, that he cannot or will not accept the seriousness of driving + his ongoing health problems.
His determination to get back behind the wheel, quite frankly, baffled me. I see that relatives of one of those killed are now calling for him to be prosecuted and making a submission to Sheriff John Beckett, so it's likely the other families will be taking legal advice with a view to pursuing a prosecution. I also think changes will come about within the DVLA over relying on people to 'self report' any medical issues as Cardiologist Professor Andrew Rankin was asked by Solicitor Advocate Ronald Conway, representing the family of Stephenie Tait, "can you agree with me that the idea of self reporting may be a weakness in the system (DVLA)?" Pro Rankin replied: "I think it's a recognised weakness in the system." So they would be reverting back to how it used to be. Years ago there was no such thing as the DVLA relying on the licence holder to 'self report'.....the GP contacted them. Simple as that. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-33840550 |
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Well he won't be getting back behind the wheel of an HGV again as his history is now known. As for his car licence he may eventually get that restored. How he fares with obtaining insurance is quite another matter!
I see that relatives of one of those killed are now calling for him to be prosecuted and making a submission to Sheriff John Beckett, so it's likely the other families will be taking legal advice with a view to pursuing a prosecution. I also think changes will come about within the DVLA over relying on people to 'self report' any medical issues as Cardiologist Professor Andrew Rankin was asked by Solicitor Advocate Ronald Conway, representing the family of Stephenie Tait, "can you agree with me that the idea of self reporting may be a weakness in the system (DVLA)?" Pro Rankin replied: "I think it's a recognised weakness in the system." So they would be reverting back to how it used to be. Years ago there was no such thing as the DVLA relying on the licence holder to 'self report'.....the GP contacted them. Simple as that. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-33840550 Just been catching up on today's reporting and was about to post re Professor Andrew Rankin comments regarding DVLA and self reporting. Some sort of centralised system so no-one can slip through the net (or near as damn it). Something has to be done over that I feel...makes me wonder just how many are going the same as Harry Clarke. Hope GCC are implementing better reference checks also! |
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So they would be reverting back to how it used to be. Years ago there was no such thing as the DVLA relying on the licence holder to 'self report'.....the GP contacted them. Simple as that.
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Yes simple. People will stop going to their doctor or fail to give them the full story.
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Would it console you?
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I'm beginning to think that perhaps a prosecution could be the only way for this driver - applying for his licence so soon after the accident seems, to me, that he cannot or will not accept the seriousness of driving + his ongoing health problems.
His determination to get back behind the wheel, quite frankly, baffled me. |
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An the way to prevent that or at least some conditions being spotted is, HGV, public service vehicle drivers to be hooked up and put on a tread mill as part of retaining their licence, it's that simple.
I trust HGV drivers far more than car drivers, they have done far more driver training in order to be able to drive trucks than car drivers have. |
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This man is clearly deranged.
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As a grieving parent, sister or child no it wouldn't console me.. but this man was getting cards sent by well wishers to console him.. when I wouldn't allow him on a bicycle..
Most people have a sense of compassion. |
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I feel the same and don't think the mans quite right to be honest.. no one in their right mind would ever want to drive again after the carnage he caused... and anyone giving him his license back also need their heads looked.. This man is outrageous in his thinking and effrontery, he should be hiding in a corner or worse, as I would be... How must the families of the deceased feel.
Just thunk of the number of people that have condition that could make them ill and the wheel and lose control, like the old fogies who are a menace anyway. |
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Hey, if we followed your over-reaction and applied it to all drivers it would certainly reduce the number of cars on the road.
Just thunk of the number of people that have condition that could make them ill and the wheel and lose control, like the old fogies who are a menace anyway. |
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An the way to prevent that or at least some conditions being spotted is, HGV, public service vehicle drivers to be hooked up and put on a tread mill as part of retaining their licence, it's that simple.
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This man is clearly deranged.
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But thankfully most people aren't as over the top irrational as you are...
Most people have a sense of compassion. |
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Apart from the fact that would only pick up those whose condition (whatever it is) is triggered by exercise, I don't think the government and its friends in the Road Haulage Association would really want to do anything that would exacerbate the already chronic shortage of LGV drivers that the UK faces.
http://theloadstar.co.uk/party-parli...ortage-crisis/ According to her profile Calamity is female. ![]()
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The thought that he could get his driving licence back is a worry, jeez.
Just been catching up on today's reporting and was about to post re Professor Andrew Rankin comments regarding DVLA and self reporting. Some sort of centralised system so no-one can slip through the net (or near as damn it). Something has to be done over that I feel...makes me wonder just how many are going the same as Harry Clarke. Hope GCC are implementing better reference checks also! |
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This man is clearly deranged.
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I actually think he must not be all there since I heard he applied for his HGV licence back a few months after the crash. He doesn't even seem malicious or anything, just totally oblivious to the seriousness of what he's done.
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How emotionally stunted do you have to be to want to carry on lying, driving HGV after killing people by conking out at the wheel? He needs monitoring IMO. Fatalistic thinking that could endanger others given his determination to keep working at the wheel.
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The self reporting itself is so delayed it's ridiculous. My OH suffered a depressed skull fracture and had surgery. He was at risk from seizures and black outs and such. We reported it when it happened, and the DVLA took 6 months to tell him he couldn't drive. Of course, he hadn't driven anyway. But the fact it took so long, and he could have been driving, shocked us.
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How emotionally stunted do you have to be to want to carry on lying, driving HGV after killing people by conking out at the wheel? He needs monitoring IMO. Fatalistic thinking that could endanger others given his determination to keep working at the wheel.
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If / when he is told he can drive again, expect an equally long wait to get his licence back, 3+ months is the norm. It almost encourages individuals when told to stop driving for a period by their doctor to simply put their licence away in a draw and not involve the DVLA.
The delay with the DVLA meant that they banned him for 6 months, 6 months after the attack. So it'd be a year before he could drive again. After a multiple phone calls, 3 letters from us and 2 from his consultant, they've just sent an application out to reapply for his licence. 10 months after the attack. Being a plasterer, he's absolutely screwed without his van, and has said he wish he didn't have to go through the DVLA, and just go off his consultants advice. |
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I don't know, we may be surprised. Nearly everyone I've spoken to about this has expressed their sympathy towards the driver.
I just truly hope this mindset outnumbers that of the brainless buffoons who will likely surface and will no doubt want the 'murderer' to pay for his actions. |
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