Originally Posted by RobinOfLoxley:
“Do you want to make that readable?”
“Do you want to make that readable?”
your insults hold no bounds, your no Robin Hood..
Bin Lorry Crashes Into Pedestrians - Glasgow
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Originally Posted by calamity:
“THE DRIVER of a Glasgow bin lorry that veered out of control killing six people asked for his HGV licence to be restored less than four months after the fatal crash, an inquiry has heard.
Harry Clarke asked the DVLA to reinstate it in April – despite medics advising him otherwise.
Today a Fatal Accident Inquiry into the tragedy in Glasgow city centre on December 22 last year described him as being "anxious" to get the licence back.”
“THE DRIVER of a Glasgow bin lorry that veered out of control killing six people asked for his HGV licence to be restored less than four months after the fatal crash, an inquiry has heard.
Harry Clarke asked the DVLA to reinstate it in April – despite medics advising him otherwise.
Today a Fatal Accident Inquiry into the tragedy in Glasgow city centre on December 22 last year described him as being "anxious" to get the licence back.”
It does seem incredibly tasteless that he would ask for his licence back so soon after what happened. Goodness knows how he could think this was a good idea.
Originally Posted by Addisonian:
“It does seem incredibly tasteless that he would ask for his licence back so soon after what happened. Goodness knows why he thought this was a good idea!”
“It does seem incredibly tasteless that he would ask for his licence back so soon after what happened. Goodness knows why he thought this was a good idea!”
Dont think hes right in the head, cant be.... no one could be that stupid, surely he has council to help help.. seems everyone else is backing him to the hilt.
"Mr Clarke's car licence revoked for 12 months and HGV licence for 10 years, DVLA told him in June this year." https://twitter.com/BBCPhilipSim
Originally Posted by Addisonian:
“It does seem incredibly tasteless that he would ask for his licence back so soon after what happened. Goodness knows how he could think this was a good idea.”
“It does seem incredibly tasteless that he would ask for his licence back so soon after what happened. Goodness knows how he could think this was a good idea.”
Who knows...maybe the thought of no criminal action made him think he was faultless? On the other hand at his age, and not knowing his other qualifications etc, desperate bid to find employment or even stay with GCC?
Originally Posted by Javier_deVivre:
“Because thar is all he has known and is his only real opportunity to earn an income?
Someone of his age generally doES not have varied professional qualifications that allow him to easily find work.”
“Because thar is all he has known and is his only real opportunity to earn an income?
Someone of his age generally doES not have varied professional qualifications that allow him to easily find work.”
I'm sorry Javier, I so total disagree with you on this but understand your sentiment.
But it is no excuse, this man knew in all likely hood he should not be driving his lorry.
As much as that would have caused him difficulties and his family, his actions were selfish and lethal and 6 people died, no excuses.
Im actually in shock that this is actually going on, he should be hiding in shame, and why I dont think hes quite right.. he seems to feel hes done nothing wrong and it was his illness that caused it all..........he must surely have known that his medical files would be looked at after the accident,,but even then he was still denying ever passing out or taking ill, if this is the case all the more reason to never allow him to drive again. I wonder if his fellow workers were queuing up to work alongside him again.... not.
Almost a complete 180 degree turnaround re sympathy for Clarke.
Were we being a bit naive and overlooking the obvious when we gave him the benefit of the doubt that he suddenly had his first blackout at the wheel at the advanced age of 58 ?
Were we being a bit naive and overlooking the obvious when we gave him the benefit of the doubt that he suddenly had his first blackout at the wheel at the advanced age of 58 ?
It seems the FAI are determined that this is just going to 'go away'.
Quote:
“Solicitor General Lesley Thomson QC was asked to clarify whether Harry Clarke could face prosecution in light of evidence which has emerged during the inquiry at Glasgow Sheriff Court.
She told the court today that the scope of the Crown's decision not to prosecute the 58-year-old extends beyond the December 22 crash to include information he provided to doctors, the DVLA and Glasgow City Council regarding a previous blackout in 2010.
Lawyers acting on behalf of the victims' families have been asked to indicate if they intend to pursue a private prosecution against the driver.
The Crown Office issued a statement in February confirming it would not be pursuing any criminal prosecutions in relation to Mr Clarke and the incident in George Square on December 22 last year.
But Sheriff John Beckett asked Thomson if the Crown would bring fraud charges against Mr Clarke after the inquiry heard he failed to disclose his health history to the DVLA and on job application forms.”
“Solicitor General Lesley Thomson QC was asked to clarify whether Harry Clarke could face prosecution in light of evidence which has emerged during the inquiry at Glasgow Sheriff Court.
She told the court today that the scope of the Crown's decision not to prosecute the 58-year-old extends beyond the December 22 crash to include information he provided to doctors, the DVLA and Glasgow City Council regarding a previous blackout in 2010.
Lawyers acting on behalf of the victims' families have been asked to indicate if they intend to pursue a private prosecution against the driver.
The Crown Office issued a statement in February confirming it would not be pursuing any criminal prosecutions in relation to Mr Clarke and the incident in George Square on December 22 last year.
But Sheriff John Beckett asked Thomson if the Crown would bring fraud charges against Mr Clarke after the inquiry heard he failed to disclose his health history to the DVLA and on job application forms.”
Originally Posted by calamity:
“Im actually in shock that this is actually going on, he should be hiding in shame, and why I dont think hes quite right.. he seems to feel hes done nothing wrong and it was his illness that caused it all..........he must surely have known that his medical files would be looked at after the accident,,but even then he was still denying ever passing out or taking ill, if this is the case all the more reason to never allow him to drive again. I wonder if his fellow workers were queuing up to work alongside him again.... not.”
“Im actually in shock that this is actually going on, he should be hiding in shame, and why I dont think hes quite right.. he seems to feel hes done nothing wrong and it was his illness that caused it all..........he must surely have known that his medical files would be looked at after the accident,,but even then he was still denying ever passing out or taking ill, if this is the case all the more reason to never allow him to drive again. I wonder if his fellow workers were queuing up to work alongside him again.... not.”
I'm not really bothered about him. Of course the law should take its course and if he is culpable he should be called to account. but at the end of the day, it will not change the fact that 6 people were killed. It may give some comfort to their relatives to know that justice has been served, but I doubt it would give them any real improvement to their lives.
I think the biggest hope is that the publicity will make people think. if they know they are not fit to drive, then they should choose to not drive. I realize it is a big thing to give up driving, especially if your job and way of life depend on it, but we should, as a society, try and make it socially unacceptable to drive while medically unfit. It has worked (to some extent) in the case of drink driving. I realize there is a big difference between the fear of getting caught for drink driving against the unlikely event of you collapsing and causing a crash. So the best way may be to hike the penalty for driving when knowingly unwell and at risk of collapsing. So if you are ever caught, then the punishment would be severe - not just banning from driving, as that would have in effect happened anyway if your licence were revoked. it would need to be much harsher if it were to act as a real deterrent. This might put some drivers off from seeing their doctor, as they don't want to risk being told to surrender their licence, but I don't see another way.
I'm all for the medical profession and employers being more strict and carrying some responsibility towards ensuring that drivers are safe, but at the end of the day, the main responsibility lies with the driver himself.
Edit. As a society, we tend to not be bothered about people taking risks, provided nothing goes wrong. But then as soon as something goes wrong, we jump on the guilty party. But by then it is too late. Better, in my opinion, to try and identify the risk takers before they have their "accident". I normally see this in terms of low level bad driving as being a marker to indicate those likely to have a big crash, but it also applies to anyone driving when they know they're not safe to drive.
Its this mans effrontery that gets me...
His email to the daily record
In Clarke’s February statement to us he said: “I want to be able to reach out to the injured and families of those who died on December 22.
“I’ve felt awful not speaking out before now but I was in hospital and my health hasn’t really improved much at all.
“I am not saying that to get sympathy, I don’t want that, but I don’t want the families to think I have been hiding, I haven’t. I am just anxious that I don’t upset anyone.
if his health hadnt improved [his words] from having nothing wrong with him in hospital... why then did he go back to work, and why was he allowed back to work..... and the part about being anxious not wanting to upset anyone.. I think thats been done Clarke..
His email to the daily record
In Clarke’s February statement to us he said: “I want to be able to reach out to the injured and families of those who died on December 22.
“I’ve felt awful not speaking out before now but I was in hospital and my health hasn’t really improved much at all.
“I am not saying that to get sympathy, I don’t want that, but I don’t want the families to think I have been hiding, I haven’t. I am just anxious that I don’t upset anyone.
if his health hadnt improved [his words] from having nothing wrong with him in hospital... why then did he go back to work, and why was he allowed back to work..... and the part about being anxious not wanting to upset anyone.. I think thats been done Clarke..
From today court hearing..
Crash inquiry: DVLA 'considering' prosecuting bin lorry driver in English courts for not disclosing information
Crash inquiry: DVLA 'considering' prosecuting bin lorry driver in English courts for not disclosing information
Originally Posted by calamity:
“your insults hold no bounds, your no Robin Hood..”
“your insults hold no bounds, your no Robin Hood..”
'Readable' was an innocuous request, not an insult, and in fact you did edit down your original Cut and Paste, which was twice the length
Do you want my true opinion of you?
You seem to be obsessed and no better than MH370 wailing aggressive relatives.
If you have no direct connection with this case, maybe you should see your GP.
If you have a defence of your 'interest' then explain.
Why has this case dominated every waking hour you have over the last two weeks?
Originally Posted by calamity:
“From today court hearing..
Crash inquiry: DVLA 'considering' prosecuting bin lorry driver in English courts for not disclosing information”
“From today court hearing..
Crash inquiry: DVLA 'considering' prosecuting bin lorry driver in English courts for not disclosing information”
Yes this seems to be the way forward now and i'd expect all the families will also be looking at pursuing a private prosecution too.
If the DVLA don't prosecute then they might just as well dispose with the licence application procedure and dish driving licences out to every tom, dick and harry who wants one.
Quote:
“The Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) could prosecute Mr Clarke for non-declaration on his LGV form.
The chief medical adviser to the DVLA, Dr Wyn Parry, told the fatal accident inquiry (FAI) this was something which was under consideration, but that no decision had been made.
He said it was up to the DVLA to decide if this was an appropriate course of action.”
“The Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) could prosecute Mr Clarke for non-declaration on his LGV form.
The chief medical adviser to the DVLA, Dr Wyn Parry, told the fatal accident inquiry (FAI) this was something which was under consideration, but that no decision had been made.
He said it was up to the DVLA to decide if this was an appropriate course of action.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-33883903
Originally Posted by calamity:
“From today court hearing..
Crash inquiry: DVLA 'considering' prosecuting bin lorry driver in English courts for not disclosing information”
“From today court hearing..
Crash inquiry: DVLA 'considering' prosecuting bin lorry driver in English courts for not disclosing information”
3-6pts on his driving licence and a fine of up to £1,000 if he is convicted.
Originally Posted by RobinOfLoxley:
“'Readable' was an innocuous request, not an insult, and in fact you did edit down your original Cut and Paste, which was twice the length
Do you want my true opinion of you?
You seem to be obsessed and no better than MH370 wailing aggressive relatives.
If you have no direct connection with this case, maybe you should see your GP.
If you have a defence of your 'interest' then explain.
Why has this case dominated every waking hour you have over the last two weeks?”
“'Readable' was an innocuous request, not an insult, and in fact you did edit down your original Cut and Paste, which was twice the length
Do you want my true opinion of you?
You seem to be obsessed and no better than MH370 wailing aggressive relatives.
If you have no direct connection with this case, maybe you should see your GP.
If you have a defence of your 'interest' then explain.
Why has this case dominated every waking hour you have over the last two weeks?”
No IM sorry your wrong... I come on here between cleaning the house, doing my garden and minding my many grandkids over the school holidays.. the case does interest me Robin. but your and arrogant git. and getting very personal and nasty.
Is that really your twitter account calamity? You aren't like any granny I know, based on that. Are you an ex pat, its a bit odd to show so much interest in a relatively minor incident that happened months ago in a foreign country.
Originally Posted by RobinOfLoxley:
“'Readable' was an innocuous request, not an insult, and in fact you did edit down your original Cut and Paste, which was twice the length
Do you want my true opinion of you?
You seem to be obsessed and no better than MH370 wailing aggressive relatives.
If you have no direct connection with this case, maybe you should see your GP.
If you have a defence of your 'interest' then explain.
Why has this case dominated every waking hour you have over the last two weeks?”
“'Readable' was an innocuous request, not an insult, and in fact you did edit down your original Cut and Paste, which was twice the length
Do you want my true opinion of you?
You seem to be obsessed and no better than MH370 wailing aggressive relatives.
If you have no direct connection with this case, maybe you should see your GP.
If you have a defence of your 'interest' then explain.
Why has this case dominated every waking hour you have over the last two weeks?”
You seem determined to derail a mostly reasonable discussion about this inquest. If you do manage to get the thread closed, well done in advance
Originally Posted by Evo102:
“3-6pts on his driving licence and a fine of up to £1,000 if he is convicted.”
“3-6pts on his driving licence and a fine of up to £1,000 if he is convicted.”
Not much. But at least he's now lost his HGV for ten years and can't carry on putting his passengers or the general public in potential danger.
Calamity, Robin, the both of you, one of you is going to get this thread closed, back off each other the both of you, give each other space for a while, the both of you be fair.
Originally Posted by calamity:
“No IM sorry your wrong... I come on here between cleaning the house, doing my garden and minding my many grandkids over the school holidays.. the case does interest me Robin. but your and arrogant git. and getting very personal and nasty.”
“No IM sorry your wrong... I come on here between cleaning the house, doing my garden and minding my many grandkids over the school holidays.. the case does interest me Robin. but your and arrogant git. and getting very personal and nasty.”
And you feel no qualms about condemning another person without knowing the full background.
I'm glad you keep so busy or could we expect to see you on the News , hammering away at some murderer or paedo in a blacked out Paddy Wagon as it drives away from Court?
Yep, my money's on Calamity getting banned.
"Arrogant Git" , an innocuous phrase in real life, but a serious breach of DS rules.
"Arrogant Git" , an innocuous phrase in real life, but a serious breach of DS rules.
I'll let it ride. I am often difficult. But only when I feel necessary.
I'm sure 'calamity' is a thoroughly decent person (and I am too) but we'll have to disagree, with a few sparks here.
I don't want anyone banned.
I'm sure 'calamity' is a thoroughly decent person (and I am too) but we'll have to disagree, with a few sparks here.
I don't want anyone banned.
Originally Posted by RobinOfLoxley:
“Unless he is a Sociopath, his guts will be in knots every day over what he has done.”
“Unless he is a Sociopath, his guts will be in knots every day over what he has done.”
So much so that he saw fit to apply to get his HGV licence back just 4 months after the event.
I like to think I am not one of the hanging and flogging brigade, but it unless you think that everyone who has appeared at the inquiry so far is making things up, there is no escaping the information which indicates that this man's repeated dishonesty has resulted in six deaths.
Yes, I am interested to know what he is going to say, but I do not expect him to be able to bluff his way out of not being truthful during several job interviews, in several application forms, whilst in consultation with his doctor and when applying and re-applying to the DVLA.
Originally Posted by mazzy50:
“So much so that he saw fit to apply to get his HGV licence back just 4 months after the event.
I like to think I am not one of the hanging and flogging brigade, but it unless you think that everyone who has appeared at the inquiry so far is making things up, there is no escaping the information which indicates that this man's repeated dishonesty has resulted in six deaths.
Yes, I am interested to know what he is going to say, but I do not expect him to be able to bluff his way out of not being truthful during several job interviews, in several application forms, whilst in consultation with his doctor and when applying and re-applying to the DVLA.”
“So much so that he saw fit to apply to get his HGV licence back just 4 months after the event.
I like to think I am not one of the hanging and flogging brigade, but it unless you think that everyone who has appeared at the inquiry so far is making things up, there is no escaping the information which indicates that this man's repeated dishonesty has resulted in six deaths.
Yes, I am interested to know what he is going to say, but I do not expect him to be able to bluff his way out of not being truthful during several job interviews, in several application forms, whilst in consultation with his doctor and when applying and re-applying to the DVLA.”
That is what I find so hard to believe - does the man have no shame?
Anybody who is happy to get back into a cab after he caused the deaths of so many innocent people is either deluded or a stone cold psychopath.
I had a lot of sympathy for the bloke when this tragedy first occurred - but not any more.
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