Originally Posted by fredster:
“He won't even apologise for those he killed.”
“He won't even apologise for those he killed.”
The reason for that may be down to legal advice etc.
Bin Lorry Crashes Into Pedestrians - Glasgow
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Originally Posted by Mark F:
“Some people feel they have to keep things quiet to get a job.
However it does seem this was an on going problem and he does seem to have no sympathy or sorrow for those who died and were injured which is sad.”
“Some people feel they have to keep things quiet to get a job.
However it does seem this was an on going problem and he does seem to have no sympathy or sorrow for those who died and were injured which is sad.”
I remember reading the first interview (the only one afaik) after the accident and he certainly came across as having sympathy. If I can find the link I'll add it.
ETA - http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...driver-5107440
Last edited by francie : 27-08-2015 at 19:34
Originally Posted by Aftershow:
“I'm afraid this seems to have become little more than a rant thread, unfortunately.”
“I'm afraid this seems to have become little more than a rant thread, unfortunately.”
Beginning to think you're right, sadly
Originally Posted by francie:
“I remember reading the first interview (the only one afaik) after the accident and he certainly came across as having sympathy. If I can find the link I'll add it.
ETA - http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...driver-5107440”
“I remember reading the first interview (the only one afaik) after the accident and he certainly came across as having sympathy. If I can find the link I'll add it.
ETA - http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...driver-5107440”
In that interview he basically lied. It's very carefully worded and a great show of his character.
Quote:
“Anguished Harry Clarke, who collapsed unconscious at the wheel, said that he thinks about each victim “every minute of every day”.”
“Anguished Harry Clarke, who collapsed unconscious at the wheel, said that he thinks about each victim “every minute of every day”.”
Thinks about them every day day but somehow forgot to mention them to the DVLA or his blackouts. For that matter he didnt even declare his new found illness.
Quote:
“I’ve felt awful not speaking out before now but I was in hospital and my health hasn’t really improved much at all.”
“I’ve felt awful not speaking out before now but I was in hospital and my health hasn’t really improved much at all.”
Health not improved but forgot to mention it to DVLA.
Quote:
“I had never had anything wrong with my heart until that day.”
“I had never had anything wrong with my heart until that day.”
Implying this new heart condition is responsible for the accident, no mention of previous blackouts. Strange, this heart condition that he didnt have til that day has hardly been mentioned at the FAI. It centers round his previous blackouts and them happening again. His solicitor hardly raises it either....mmmmm!
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...rivers-5108907
And from the other page
Quote:
“The relatives of those who died and the survivors said they did not blame the driver and sent messages of support.”
“The relatives of those who died and the survivors said they did not blame the driver and sent messages of support.”
Based on the lies he told.I wonder if the paper dares asks their opinion now.
Originally Posted by duffsdad:
“In that interview he basically lied. It's very carefully worded and a great show of his character.
Thinks about them every day day but somehow forgot to mention them to the DVLA or his blackouts. For that matter he didnt even declare his new found illness.
Health not improved but forgot to mention it to DVLA.
Implying this new heart condition is responsible for the accident, no mention of previous blackouts. Strange, this heart condition that he didnt have til that day has hardly been mentioned at the FAI. It centers round his previous blackouts and them happening again. His solicitor hardly raises it either....mmmmm!
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...rivers-5108907
And from the other page
Based on the lies he told.I wonder if the paper dares asks their opinion now.”
“In that interview he basically lied. It's very carefully worded and a great show of his character.
Thinks about them every day day but somehow forgot to mention them to the DVLA or his blackouts. For that matter he didnt even declare his new found illness.
Health not improved but forgot to mention it to DVLA.
Implying this new heart condition is responsible for the accident, no mention of previous blackouts. Strange, this heart condition that he didnt have til that day has hardly been mentioned at the FAI. It centers round his previous blackouts and them happening again. His solicitor hardly raises it either....mmmmm!
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...rivers-5108907
And from the other page
Based on the lies he told.I wonder if the paper dares asks their opinion now.”
My opinion still stands.
Originally Posted by francie:
“The reason for that may be down to legal advice etc.”
“The reason for that may be down to legal advice etc.”
It will be I think. His legal counsel will have told him to be guarded, say nothing, do not answer any questions or make any gesture of contrition or admission until they know what is going to happen regarding a prosecution. It is what I would advise my client if I were a solicitor.
That is why many convicted people facing prison remain impassive in the dock. Their legal team advise them to try and remain neutral, and not display emotion, as the security companies are known to relay the fact that a person cried in court to the prison guards.
Also, people keep going on about him apologising to garner some kind of public approval, but Clarke isn't a public figure, he doesn't need anybody's approval. He's not on The X-Factor, he's just a bin man.
Originally Posted by idlewilde:
“It will be I think. His legal counsel will have told him to be guarded, say nothing, do not answer any questions or make any gesture of contrition or admission until they know what is going to happen regarding a prosecution. It is what I would advise my client if I were a solicitor.
That is why many convicted people facing prison remain impassive in the dock. Their legal team advise them to try and remain neutral, and not display emotion, as the security companies are known to relay the fact that a person cried in court to the prison guards.
Also, people keep going on about him apologising to garner some kind of public approval, but Clarke isn't a public figure, he doesn't need anybody's approval. He's not on The X-Factor, he's just a bin man.”
“It will be I think. His legal counsel will have told him to be guarded, say nothing, do not answer any questions or make any gesture of contrition or admission until they know what is going to happen regarding a prosecution. It is what I would advise my client if I were a solicitor.
That is why many convicted people facing prison remain impassive in the dock. Their legal team advise them to try and remain neutral, and not display emotion, as the security companies are known to relay the fact that a person cried in court to the prison guards.
Also, people keep going on about him apologising to garner some kind of public approval, but Clarke isn't a public figure, he doesn't need anybody's approval. He's not on The X-Factor, he's just a bin man.”
Firstly hes not on trial.... and yes he isnt a public figure in that sense... hes a bin man , lorry driver who killed six and injured fifteen.. he does need approval but wont get it now.
Originally Posted by calamity:
“Firstly hes not on trial.... and yes he isnt a public figure in that sense... hes a bin man , lorry driver who killed six and injured fifteen.. he does need approval but wont get it now.”
“Firstly hes not on trial.... and yes he isnt a public figure in that sense... hes a bin man , lorry driver who killed six and injured fifteen.. he does need approval but wont get it now.”
I know he's not on trial, I haven't said he is have I?
He doesn't need approval from anybody, he's hardly running for Mayor is he?
Driver's lawyer has claimed Clarke was confused about his medical condition & can't be blamed as no doctor told him he was unfit to drive. Didn't he withhold information from his GP(s)?
Originally Posted by jzee:
“Driver's lawyer has claimed Clarke was confused about his medical condition & can't be blamed as no doctor told him he was unfit to drive. Didn't he withhold information from his GP(s)?”
“Driver's lawyer has claimed Clarke was confused about his medical condition & can't be blamed as no doctor told him he was unfit to drive. Didn't he withhold information from his GP(s)?”
Hoachie.
If he lied about his medical condition, he should be prosecuted IMO. But I haven't followed the matter closely enough to give a truly informed view.
what do you expect? lets see scottish police instead arrested a man for making a joke on twitter about the bin crash! and not the guy who actually crashed and killed people. 
Originally Posted by Dr. Claw:
“what do you expect? lets see scottish police instead arrested a man for making a joke on twitter about the bin crash! and not the guy who actually crashed and killed people.”
“what do you expect? lets see scottish police instead arrested a man for making a joke on twitter about the bin crash! and not the guy who actually crashed and killed people.
”
The same Scottish Police force who found Karen Buckley four days after she went missing!!
Welsh Police have yet to find April Jones!!
Originally Posted by Concretepigsy:
“Not being prosecuted because they can't prove he was unfit to drive.
I don't understand that at all”
“Not being prosecuted because they can't prove he was unfit to drive.
I don't understand that at all”
This is hardly news, we knew from almost day one he wouldn't face any charges.
Why start a new thread ?
Him lying about his health problems is unforgivable. If I was a relative of someone who died I would be so angry.
That said I would hate to live with his conscience.
That said I would hate to live with his conscience.
Originally Posted by Dr. Claw:
“what do you expect? lets see scottish police instead arrested a man for making a joke on twitter about the bin crash! and not the guy who actually crashed and killed people.”
“what do you expect? lets see scottish police instead arrested a man for making a joke on twitter about the bin crash! and not the guy who actually crashed and killed people.
”
The decision not to prosecute has nothing to do with the police.
Originally Posted by MagicCoppelia:
“Him lying about his health problems is unforgivable. If I was a relative of someone who died I would be so angry.
That said I would hate to live with his conscience.”
“Him lying about his health problems is unforgivable. If I was a relative of someone who died I would be so angry.
That said I would hate to live with his conscience.
”
He probably does not have one - as his despicable actions since have proved all too clearly.
Originally Posted by francie:
“Beginning to think you're right, sadly”
“Beginning to think you're right, sadly
”
Like I said before, though, it's not a court of law. I'm not sure why people being angry about Harry Clarke's history of lying and putting lives at risk bothers some so much.
Originally Posted by Honestweegie:
“The same Scottish Police force who found Karen Buckley four days after she went missing!!
Welsh Police have yet to find April Jones!!”
“The same Scottish Police force who found Karen Buckley four days after she went missing!!
Welsh Police have yet to find April Jones!!”
How vulgar to use tragedies like this for point scoring!
I just cannot understand why the driver cannot be prosecuted. What the shell is going on?
Surely you don't have to be warned not to drive by a doctor to determine you shouldn't drive. Surely you can make the decision yourself. And surely 12 good man and true should be given the chance to decide whether the driver was at fault or not.
We will give him a new identity, I expect.
Surely you don't have to be warned not to drive by a doctor to determine you shouldn't drive. Surely you can make the decision yourself. And surely 12 good man and true should be given the chance to decide whether the driver was at fault or not.
We will give him a new identity, I expect.
Originally Posted by davidmcn:
“The decision not to prosecute has nothing to do with the police.”
“The decision not to prosecute has nothing to do with the police.”
No that's right its not the police, but then he wasn't officially questioned by them either for some reason..
Originally Posted by calamity:
“No that's right its not the police, but then he wasn't officially questioned by them either for some reason..”
“No that's right its not the police, but then he wasn't officially questioned by them either for some reason..”
I expect the Fiscal was already in charge of proceedings by the time he was fit for questioning.
Originally Posted by davidmcn:
“I expect the Fiscal was already in charge of proceedings by the time he was fit for questioning.”
“I expect the Fiscal was already in charge of proceedings by the time he was fit for questioning.”
I think so to but still seems all wrong.
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