Bin Lorry Crashes Into Pedestrians - Glasgow
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Thanks for the update.
" "It may well be that the single most useful outcome of this inquiry would be to raise awareness of the dangers involved in driving if subject to a medical condition which could cause the driver to lose control of a vehicle." "
I notice the BBC showing more of the CCTV footage of the incident, not just screen shots as they have for months.
I get the feeling they are itching to show the entire thing in slo-mo.
I get the feeling they are itching to show the entire thing in slo-mo.
The family of three of the victims of the incident are taking the first formal steps to bring a private prosecution against the bin lorry driver, Harry Clarke.
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ETA: Sorry, it just kinda repeats the information given in post #2026 above, but is kind of formalising the events.
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“Lawyers representing the Sweeney and McQuaid family have delivered a Bill of Criminal letters to the Lord Advocate.
This begins the process of asking the High Court to allow them to bring a private prosecution. The Lord Advocate has seven days to respond.
A Scottish government spokeswoman said: "Scottish Ministers have received further information in support of an application for public funding towards a private prosecution from lawyers acting on behalf of the families of the Glasgow Bin Lorry tragedy, and will now consider this closely."”
“Lawyers representing the Sweeney and McQuaid family have delivered a Bill of Criminal letters to the Lord Advocate.
This begins the process of asking the High Court to allow them to bring a private prosecution. The Lord Advocate has seven days to respond.
A Scottish government spokeswoman said: "Scottish Ministers have received further information in support of an application for public funding towards a private prosecution from lawyers acting on behalf of the families of the Glasgow Bin Lorry tragedy, and will now consider this closely."”
Source
ETA: Sorry, it just kinda repeats the information given in post #2026 above, but is kind of formalising the events.
Originally Posted by Smiley433:
“The family of three of the victims of the incident are taking the first formal steps to bring a private prosecution against the bin lorry driver, Harry Clarke.
Source
ETA: Sorry, it just kinda repeats the information given in post #2026 above, but is kind of formalising the events.”
“The family of three of the victims of the incident are taking the first formal steps to bring a private prosecution against the bin lorry driver, Harry Clarke.
Source
ETA: Sorry, it just kinda repeats the information given in post #2026 above, but is kind of formalising the events.”
Good on them. I'd be doing the same.
Originally Posted by Smiley433:
“The family of three of the victims of the incident are taking the first formal steps to bring a private prosecution against the bin lorry driver, Harry Clarke.
Source
ETA: Sorry, it just kinda repeats the information given in post #2026 above, but is kind of formalising the events.”
“The family of three of the victims of the incident are taking the first formal steps to bring a private prosecution against the bin lorry driver, Harry Clarke.
Source
ETA: Sorry, it just kinda repeats the information given in post #2026 above, but is kind of formalising the events.”
I really don't know what chance these families have in their private prosecution but i wish them well.
This was a totally avoidable tragedy imho and Harry Clarke needs to face some sort of justice.
Originally Posted by mcg3:
“I really don't know what chance these families have in their private prosecution but i wish them well.
This was a totally avoidable tragedy imho and Harry Clarke needs to face some sort of justice.”
“I really don't know what chance these families have in their private prosecution but i wish them well.
This was a totally avoidable tragedy imho and Harry Clarke needs to face some sort of justice.”
It certainly was and i agree he must face justice now. His deceit killed six people and for that to go unpunished cannot be right.
I too wish all the families well in this and hope for a successful outcome.
Originally Posted by Bizza:
“Private prosecution refused
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-35417384”
“Private prosecution refused
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-35417384”
The private prosecution system in Scotland is stupid. You're basically asking the Lord Advocate to admit they were wrong in not pursuing a public prosecution.
It seems the families can now appeal to the High Court where it will be up to the judges there to decide. I guess it all comes down to what the judges have to base their decision on, i.e. do they examine evidence submissions and make a judgment based on that, or is there some arcane procedure they need to follow?
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“In a statement, the Crown Office said: "The lord advocate has declined to grant concurrence to the bill for criminal letters seeking a private prosecution of the driver of the bin lorry involved in the George Square fatalities on 22 December 2014.
"The original decision not to take criminal proceedings was made on the basis that there was insufficient evidence in law to prove that a crime had been committed and that position remains unchanged."”
“In a statement, the Crown Office said: "The lord advocate has declined to grant concurrence to the bill for criminal letters seeking a private prosecution of the driver of the bin lorry involved in the George Square fatalities on 22 December 2014.
"The original decision not to take criminal proceedings was made on the basis that there was insufficient evidence in law to prove that a crime had been committed and that position remains unchanged."”
Sadly, the position is more likely insufficient law for the evidence to prove that a crime has been committed.
Originally Posted by Bizza:
“Private prosecution refused
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-35417384”
“Private prosecution refused
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-35417384”
This is completely bonkers. I hope the families unite on this, take it to the highest level possible, and fight to the very bitter end using every option available.
It seems as if this individual simply would not stop driving (or lying).
I suppose this is something even if the families have been unable to proceed with the private prosecution.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-35832377
What a vile man.
I do wonder whether he has some sort of cognitive deficit (obviously not enough to stop him being deceitful). I just cannot understand how he thought he would get away with this continued pattern of behaviour given the carnage he caused in December 2014 and the publicity which surrounded that tragedy.
I suppose this is something even if the families have been unable to proceed with the private prosecution.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-35832377
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“The driver of the bin lorry that crashed in Glasgow in December 2014 killing six people has appeared in court on dangerous driving charges.
Harry Clarke, 59, allegedly drove a car dangerously on 20 September 2015 knowing he had had two previous medical incidents.”
“The driver of the bin lorry that crashed in Glasgow in December 2014 killing six people has appeared in court on dangerous driving charges.
Harry Clarke, 59, allegedly drove a car dangerously on 20 September 2015 knowing he had had two previous medical incidents.”
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“He is also accused of committing fraud between June and September 2015 by pretending to an insurance company that he had a driving licence when it had been revoked.
Clarke, from Baillieston in Glasgow, faces a further charge of making a false statement in an application for insurance in May 2015.”
“He is also accused of committing fraud between June and September 2015 by pretending to an insurance company that he had a driving licence when it had been revoked.
Clarke, from Baillieston in Glasgow, faces a further charge of making a false statement in an application for insurance in May 2015.”
What a vile man.
I do wonder whether he has some sort of cognitive deficit (obviously not enough to stop him being deceitful). I just cannot understand how he thought he would get away with this continued pattern of behaviour given the carnage he caused in December 2014 and the publicity which surrounded that tragedy.
Originally Posted by MC_Satan:
“The man is utterly reprehensible. He should be in jail. A pathological liar.”
“The man is utterly reprehensible. He should be in jail. A pathological liar.”
Agreed.
Originally Posted by mazzy50:
“It seems as if this individual simply would not stop driving (or lying).
I suppose this is something even if the families have been unable to proceed with the private prosecution.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-35832377
What a vile man.
I do wonder whether he has some sort of cognitive deficit (obviously not enough to stop him being deceitful). I just cannot understand how he thought he would get away with this continued pattern of behaviour given the carnage he caused in December 2014 and the publicity which surrounded that tragedy.”
“It seems as if this individual simply would not stop driving (or lying).
I suppose this is something even if the families have been unable to proceed with the private prosecution.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-35832377
What a vile man.
I do wonder whether he has some sort of cognitive deficit (obviously not enough to stop him being deceitful). I just cannot understand how he thought he would get away with this continued pattern of behaviour given the carnage he caused in December 2014 and the publicity which surrounded that tragedy.”
They would be better off clubbing together and a arranging for the bloke to be "paid a visit" one night.
Originally Posted by mazzy50:
“It seems as if this individual simply would not stop driving (or lying).
I suppose this is something even if the families have been unable to proceed with the private prosecution.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-35832377
What a vile man.
I do wonder whether he has some sort of cognitive deficit (obviously not enough to stop him being deceitful). I just cannot understand how he thought he would get away with this continued pattern of behaviour given the carnage he caused in December 2014 and the publicity which surrounded that tragedy.”
“It seems as if this individual simply would not stop driving (or lying).
I suppose this is something even if the families have been unable to proceed with the private prosecution.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-35832377
What a vile man.
I do wonder whether he has some sort of cognitive deficit (obviously not enough to stop him being deceitful). I just cannot understand how he thought he would get away with this continued pattern of behaviour given the carnage he caused in December 2014 and the publicity which surrounded that tragedy.”
Disgusting man. Throughout this whole thing, all he's tried to do is look out for number 1. Selfish prick.
Originally Posted by mazzy50:
“It seems as if this individual simply would not stop driving (or lying).
I suppose this is something even if the families have been unable to proceed with the private prosecution.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-35832377
What a vile man.
I do wonder whether he has some sort of cognitive deficit (obviously not enough to stop him being deceitful). I just cannot understand how he thought he would get away with this continued pattern of behaviour given the carnage he caused in December 2014 and the publicity which surrounded that tragedy.”
“It seems as if this individual simply would not stop driving (or lying).
I suppose this is something even if the families have been unable to proceed with the private prosecution.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-35832377
What a vile man.
I do wonder whether he has some sort of cognitive deficit (obviously not enough to stop him being deceitful). I just cannot understand how he thought he would get away with this continued pattern of behaviour given the carnage he caused in December 2014 and the publicity which surrounded that tragedy.”
The awful thing is he is getting away with it. He was not prosecuted. He didn't even get fired. He was able to resign right at the last minute before misconduct proceedings would have got him fired. That meant he was able to get paid right to the end.
Now those who lost relatives can't even bring a private prosecution and the law is a joke.
They should lock that bloke up and throw away the key.
There's only one person that he's bothered about and that's himself!
There's only one person that he's bothered about and that's himself!
Quote:
“Families bereaved by two Glasgow road death incidents, including the 2014 bin lorry crash, have been told they cannot launch private prosecutions.
Two families had been seeking permission to bring charges against bin lorry driver Harry Clarke. Mr Clarke was unconscious when the bin lorry veered out of control on 22 December 2014, killing six people.
Judges began hearing legal arguments over private prosecutions at the Court of Session in September. The Sweeney/McQuade families wanted Harry Clarke prosecuted as an inquiry found the crash could have been avoided if he had not lied about his medical history.
At the fatal accident inquiry, it was found that Mr Clarke, who had a history of blackouts and poor health, had "repeatedly lied in order to gain and retain jobs and licences". This included not fully disclosing the details of a blackout he suffered at the wheel of a stationary bus in April 2010 to his own doctors and in employment applications and medical assessments for later jobs at Glasgow City Council.
It found eight reasonable precautions that could have prevented the crash. All were related to his hidden medical past.
During evidence at the inquiry, which concluded in August, it emerged that Mr Clarke had suffered an episode of neurocardiogenic syncope. He passed out at the wheel while the bin lorry was on Queen Street in Glasgow city centre, just days before Christmas.”
“Families bereaved by two Glasgow road death incidents, including the 2014 bin lorry crash, have been told they cannot launch private prosecutions.
Two families had been seeking permission to bring charges against bin lorry driver Harry Clarke. Mr Clarke was unconscious when the bin lorry veered out of control on 22 December 2014, killing six people.
Judges began hearing legal arguments over private prosecutions at the Court of Session in September. The Sweeney/McQuade families wanted Harry Clarke prosecuted as an inquiry found the crash could have been avoided if he had not lied about his medical history.
At the fatal accident inquiry, it was found that Mr Clarke, who had a history of blackouts and poor health, had "repeatedly lied in order to gain and retain jobs and licences". This included not fully disclosing the details of a blackout he suffered at the wheel of a stationary bus in April 2010 to his own doctors and in employment applications and medical assessments for later jobs at Glasgow City Council.
It found eight reasonable precautions that could have prevented the crash. All were related to his hidden medical past.
During evidence at the inquiry, which concluded in August, it emerged that Mr Clarke had suffered an episode of neurocardiogenic syncope. He passed out at the wheel while the bin lorry was on Queen Street in Glasgow city centre, just days before Christmas.”
Source
Originally Posted by Rosebuddy:
“I notice the BBC showing more of the CCTV foothtage of the incident, not just screen shots as they have for months.
I get the feeling they are itching to show the entire thing in slo-mo.”
“I notice the BBC showing more of the CCTV foothtage of the incident, not just screen shots as they have for months.
I get the feeling they are itching to show the entire thing in slo-mo.”
they should as I still dont believe he passed out, didnt he also drive while banned later after the accident, really diabolical what this man has done and walked free. hes nothing but a waste of space.Even after killing and injuring all these people he still went out driving without a license, he has no empathy or feelings for anyone except Harry Clark.
he had bugger all wrong with him and tests done at the hospital after the accident found nothing, they only kept him in for two weeks out of the way till some things got sorted , how he has walked free is beyond me.... I think the men in the cabin with him know a lot more than what has been told.
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