There are many factors we don't know about. Let's wait and see what actually happened as opposed to drawing wild sinister conclusions.

BBC News have just confirmed that 6 people have died.

Can bin lorries do 70mph?

I'd have thought not. Think HGV's are governed to 55 or 60

Presumably they'd be limited to 56MPH, even if they could do 70.

Largely what I thought, was just looking for confirmation tbh.

Oh heavens, that really brings it home, doesn't it. Being a witness to this is just so horrific. RIP to all those that have died, my heart goes out to all their friends and loved ones, and I hope the injured survive and recover well, including the poor driver. Such a terrible tragedy.

Nothing to do with this, or Glasgow but it's put me in mind of the Lockerbie bombing - that was around this time of year too wasn't it?

21st Dec 1988 - yeh it's funny how it quickly triggers memories about various other tragedies

Aye, 21st Dec 1988.

I wouldn't find that so hard to swallow if you had shown an ounce of compassion, empathy or sensitivity - any real insight - in this thread.

I don't know if you are aware of this but your posts come across as insensitive, obtuse and, considering how tragic this is for so many, wholly inappropriate.

Well it should be, because this won't change anything. There are a million variables that can cause a crash. As they say, hard cases make bad law.

As far as I'm aware, trains still have a 'dead man's switch' on them, so the train will come to a halt if the driver loses consciousness. An alert driver who misses a signal is more dangerous.


I'm not sure about pedestrianising the whole area, but at these times when there are extra pedestrians spilling out onto the streets, with hardly any room to move, then when should the bin lorries be out?


Yes. I think people are being over-sensitive, or plain old pedantic to complain about the suggestion that those at high risk of a heart attack might not be the best people to be driving an HGV.

Clearly, there's more to being high risk than weight, and there will be plenty who have heart attacks or strokes with no advance warning. But that doesn't mean it's not reasonable to query whether or not we've got the balance right.

I'm wondering if there is something that could be done to the design or operation of the bin lorries themselves that could mitigate the damage should a driver take ill. In this case, it seems the incident was much worse than it might have been at another time of year, or even time of day, when people might have had a better chance of getting out of the way.

Seriously, why don't you STFU. 6 people are dead and you are on here posting this garbage wallowing in your little conspiracy theory.

Where do you live? You are clearly not from Glasgow if you base your opinion on a photo.

No-one yet knows what speed it was doing and will not do so until the Accident Investigation Unit has done its job. The speed of 70mph is just speculation by witnesses and is simply not reliable

so do the police know what casued this tragedy..i cant see a bin lorry doign 60 mph in a built up area unless somethin happened / it accelerated a lot..there should be a 25 mph in towns and cities max..

What conspiracy theory? I'm just saying it might not have been an accident.

Where do you draw the line? How much safer would we be if no one drove? Or no one flew? Or no one left the house? Everything in life has an element of risk, that doesn't mean we should ban everything.

All that said, what happened today is just awful

[quote=*Sparkle*;76145604]As far as I'm aware, trains still have a 'dead man's switch' on them, so the train will come to a halt if the driver loses consciousness. An alert driver who misses a signal is more dangerous.


I originally posted the thing about the railways, yes I am well aware of the danger of SPAD's but the people I am talking about aren't train drivers, they drive rail mounted machinery and drive corporate vans all over the UK at all hours to maintain the infrastructure

Think you've got me mixed up with someone else; I've not said a single insensitive, obtuse or inappropriate thing.

There is no line.

We should be constantly trying to make things safer for everyone.

Wish they would stop playing the video of the screaming - that's someone anguished because their relative or loved on is on the floor dying or dead in front of them! This should not be shown!

I am turning the news off soon - I wish they would focus on telling us of the extent of the injuries of the poor souls in hospital, I hope they all recover!

That video is simply horrific

The screams

Well, the police on the scene say:

Police Scotland has declared a major incident but said there appeared to be nothing "sinister" about the crash.

You, not on the scene, using a photo from Google Maps have declared it "might not have been an accident" Based on nothing but your opinion.

Now, whose position should I give more credence to?

Can't decide if you're either -

a) A rubbish troll

or

b) A complete prat