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Three's fall from grace - Broken promises and broken dreams
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d123
24-12-2014
Originally Posted by jabbamk1:
“I don't know if I'm more surprised that you got 150Mbps or that someone bought an Alpha.....

Probably the latter ”

He didn't say he bought it, it was probably a review model. I don't think anyone has actually bought one yet .
maverickjesus
24-12-2014
Originally Posted by jabbamk1:
“Did you not get a home signal box?”

I considered it, but my home isnt the only place I dont get signal. It seemed more like a band aid solution rather than truly fixing the problem.
Silent No More
24-12-2014
Originally Posted by dangetti:
“Good luck with that.... EE are cutting back data on SIM only plans to the normal allowances come 1st Feb

Their £27.99 for 10GB SIM only plan will go back to 5GB.”

Is that a real fact? Can you link to a source please?
jabbamk1
24-12-2014
Originally Posted by Silent No More:
“Is that a real fact? Can you link to a source please?”

Its a fact. Source Is EE website in the sim section. If you click on plan details or whatever then it'll tell you its a promotion double data thing.

So if you sign up now you get 10GB every month. After end of Jan it'll be 5GB.

But EE can always change their tariffs or extend the offer etc...
jabbamk1
24-12-2014
Originally Posted by maverickjesus:
“I considered it, but my home isnt the only place I dont get signal. It seemed more like a band aid solution rather than truly fixing the problem.”

Ah ok. Makes sense. If it was just your home then the booster would be fine. If other areas then it pays to consider other options.
moox
24-12-2014
Originally Posted by jabbamk1:
“Its a fact. Source Is EE website in the sim section. If you click on plan details or whatever then it'll tell you its a promotion double data thing.

So if you sign up now you get 10GB every month. After end of Jan it'll be 5GB.

But EE can always change their tariffs or extend the offer etc...”

They're shortsighted if they were to reduce it back down. Offering free 100GB to those who got the SIMs and then demanding a chunk of change for even 5GB is a huge come down. Even if it's some sort of special offer only for people who got these SIMs.
Silent No More
24-12-2014
Originally Posted by jabbamk1:
“Its a fact. Source Is EE website in the sim section. If you click on plan details or whatever then it'll tell you its a promotion double data thing.

So if you sign up now you get 10GB every month. After end of Jan it'll be 5GB.

But EE can always change their tariffs or extend the offer etc...”

I just checked and there's no mention of the 10GB allowance changing to 5GB.
plymouthbloke1974
24-12-2014
Originally Posted by jabbamk1:
“Its a fact. Source Is EE website in the sim section. If you click on plan details or whatever then it'll tell you its a promotion double data thing.

So if you sign up now you get 10GB every month. After end of Jan it'll be 5GB.

But EE can always change their tariffs or extend the offer etc...”

That must have recently been added to the website then as it want there to start with. Mind you I've been off a while so I've not really checked lol.
dangetti
24-12-2014
Originally Posted by Silent No More:
“Is that a real fact? Can you link to a source please?”

http://shop.ee.co.uk/mobile-tariffs/sim-only-plans

Quote:
“4. SIM only promotional offers

Get even more 4G data by taking advantage of our time limited SIM only offers below:

EE 12m SIM only £27.99
With 10GB* data, unlimited minutes and unlimited texts.
*Your data allowance is made up of 5GB plus an extra 5GB if you join by 31st January 2015.

EE 12m SIM only £21.99
With 5GB* data, unlimited minutes and unlimited texts.
*Your data allowance is made up of 3GB plus an extra 2GB if you join by 31st January 2015.

EE 12m SIM only £15.99
With 2GB* data, unlimited minutes and unlimited texts.
*Your data allowance is made up of 1GB plus an extra 1GB if you join by 31st January 2015.”

Silent No More
24-12-2014
Originally Posted by dangetti:
“http://shop.ee.co.uk/mobile-tariffs/sim-only-plans”

That says you'll get 10GB instead of 5GB if you *JOIN* by Jan 31st.

Nothing about a 10 gig allowance reducing to 5 gig.
dangetti
24-12-2014
Originally Posted by Silent No More:
“That says you'll get 10GB instead of 5GB if you *JOIN* by Jan 31st.

Nothing about a 10 gig allowance reducing to 5 gig.”

If you join between now and 31st Jan you will get 10GB for the whole 12 months and it will then drop to 5GB.

If you take it out on 1st Feb you only get 5GB.

Sorry my original post was badly worded, was not meant to be misleading just what was seen on the site
plymouthbloke1974
24-12-2014
Actually Dan, if you join and get the promotional allowance you keep it indefinitely or unless you change plan.
Silent No More
24-12-2014
Originally Posted by dangetti:
“If you join between now and 31st Jan you will get 10GB for the whole 12 months and it will then drop to 5GB.

If you take it out on 1st Feb you only get 5GB.

Sorry my original post was badly worded, was not meant to be misleading just what was seen on the site”

Agreed and understood.

Those that signed up recently (jumping from 3, like me) will get the full 12 months with a 10'gig allowance.

Inca see me moving to Vodafone on a SIM Only next Jan. I can get 30% F&F discount and I think 10 gig is more than enough for me.
jabbamk1
24-12-2014
Originally Posted by Silent No More:
“That says you'll get 10GB instead of 5GB if you *JOIN* by Jan 31st.

Nothing about a 10 gig allowance reducing to 5 gig.”

Thats been what we have been saying haha.
Silent No More
24-12-2014
Originally Posted by jabbamk1:
“Thats been what we have been saying haha.”

Perhaps.

It was implied that anyone on a 10 gig SIM for example, will only have a 5 gig allowance come February, which clearly isn't the case.
jabbamk1
24-12-2014
Originally Posted by Silent No More:
“Perhaps.

It was implied that anyone on a 10 gig SIM for example, will only have a 5 gig allowance come February, which clearly isn't the case.”

maybe I didn't word it properly. Sorry about that.

But basically you get 10GB every month if you sign up now.

If yoi sign up in feb you only get 5GB every month.

Bit as said, EE can change their deals/extend it.
Silent No More
24-12-2014
Originally Posted by jabbamk1:
“maybe I didn't word it properly. Sorry about that.

But basically you get 10GB every month if you sign up now.

If yoi sign up in feb you only get 5GB every month.

Bit as said, EE can change their deals/extend it.”

Again, agreed and understood.
Daveoc64
24-12-2014
Originally Posted by d123:
“I think you are pretty lonely with those thought, universally people are pretty unhappy with Three for unilaterally removing the One Plan (with all old plans to follow according to those in the know), and doubling the line rental for those staying with Three who want a similar allowance.”

As I said, "The One Plan" cost me £25 per month, I now pay £15 and get everything I used from "The One Plan" and more.

Originally Posted by d123:
“I haven't seen many people showing happiness and gratitude towards Three for the way they've just chopped 150 places off the 4G roll out (and completely missed their 2014 targets.”

I don't live in or visit any of those places so that is wholly irrelevant to me. As I mentioned before, if you want 4G in Bristol there are only two networks to think about - EE and Three.

Originally Posted by d123:
“Many would describe that as being errors...”

Not particularly. IMO if Three can make these changes (which I admit are not generally positive), and still come out offering more than the competition for less money then they're not doing that badly.
d123
24-12-2014
Originally Posted by Daveoc64:
“As I said, "The One Plan" cost me £25 per month, I now pay £15 and get everything I used from "The One Plan" and more.”

So what? Im not trying to start an argument with you, but who cares if you only use 2 minutes 1 text and a 100MB of data? You may as well be on PAYG then.

People were paying Three for 2000 minutes, 5000 texts and unlimited data, if they wanted to stop the tethering abuse, fine, add a tethering limit to the One Plan and leave people with what they were getting, don't make them suddenly pay almost double for a similar price plan.

Originally Posted by Daveoc64:
“I don't live in or visit any of those places so that is wholly irrelevant to me.”

So, "fcuk you all, I'm OK" is your attitude? Three can do no wrong unless it [personally[/u] impacts on you?

Nice attitude.
Daveoc64
24-12-2014
Originally Posted by d123:
“So, "fcuk you all, I'm OK" is your attitude? Three can do no wrong unless it [personally[/u] impacts on you?

Nice attitude.”

No. My point is that it doesn't have any impact on me.

There will be many people out there in an area where Three said they would be offering 4G coverage in by the end of 2014 that are very disappointed.

There will be many others who are already covered by 4G or don't know/don't care about it.

Originally Posted by d123:
“So what? Im not trying to start an argument with you, but who cares if you only use 2 minutes 1 text and a 100MB of data? You may as well be on PAYG then.”

I wanted Unlimited Data with tethering. The old price scheme forced you to be on "The One Plan", now I can get that on a plan with a much lower cost.
finbaar
24-12-2014
I am in an area that was promused 4G by Three this year but won't be getting until later. Am I devi stated ? And when it does come it will no doubt be capped at 50mbps will I be disgusted at that? Well no and no. I don't give a **** about 4G as I get very fast 3G, I just did a speed test and got 21.56mbps. Which makes me wonder what the **** do you need 150mbps on your phone for? What are you doing? Give me a national network at a consistant 10mbps and I would be happy.

Some of you are posting on here as if the concept of moving networks to get a better deal on s something new. Well hello ametuers, some of us have been doing this for years. A pro tip - don't be stupid and tie yourself in to long contract.
david16
24-12-2014
Originally Posted by finbaar:
“I am in an area that was promused 4G by Three this year but won't be getting until later. Am I devi stated ? And when it does come it will no doubt be capped at 50mbps will I be disgusted at that? Well no and no. I don't give a **** about 4G as I get very fast 3G, I just did a speed test and got 21.56mbps. Which makes me wonder what the **** do you need 150mbps on your phone for? What are you doing? Give me a national network at a consistant 10mbps and I would be happy.

Some of you are posting on here as if the concept of moving networks to get a better deal on s something new. Well hello ametuers, some of us have been doing this for years. A pro tip - don't be stupid and tie yourself in to long contract.”

Absolutely.

150mbps is not a necessity as far as I'm concerned as I'm more than happy with the H+ and my phone doesn't need to be replaced right now. 4G will be a necessity when 3G is no longer the industry standard and it's all 4G phones on sale in the stores but even then not the 150mbps.

It's a bit of fallacy for people say "It needs to be at least 150mbps with all 4 bars lit up at the top of the screen the whole time, plus a very low ping to be a good internet connection"

All but one or 2 radio station transmit at less than 200kbps on tunein (none of them transmit anywhere near 1mbps, well short of the 150mbps some people apparently demand of 4G) and your smartphone handles several Google Play Store updates/downloads one at a time albeit in a batch whether it's a 3G or 4G smartphone. It's not exactly painfully slow downloading Google Playstore updates on a 3G phone, unless people only think 12 google play store updates all done in less than a minute as being the only acceptable which even then is impossible on a 4G smartphone.

So indeed there's no necessity for a minimum 150mpbs internet speed on a smartphone sim card.
plymouthbloke1974
24-12-2014
Hold on finbaar... I know how to move networks.. My number has been on every networks and back again since I got it... I know the drill. My move from three was out of principle. Nothing more. My choice of going back to Vodafone was due to HD voice and better mainstream signal from them. Yes I get EDGE in places outside of Plymouth which quite frankly is the equivalent of having no data service AT ALL (GPRS ironically is better - Google it) but as I'm in Plymouth 98% of the time it doesn't bother me.
david16
24-12-2014
Originally Posted by d123:
“So what? Im not trying to start an argument with you, but who cares if you only use 2 minutes 1 text and a 100MB of data? You may as well be on PAYG then.

People were paying Three for 2000 minutes, 5000 texts and unlimited data, if they wanted to stop the tethering abuse, fine, add a tethering limit to the One Plan and leave people with what they were getting, don't make them suddenly pay almost double for a similar price plan.



So, "fcuk you all, I'm OK" is your attitude? Three can do no wrong unless it [personally[/u] impacts on you?

Nice attitude.”

Nobody has said "I'm alright Jack."
moox
24-12-2014
Originally Posted by david16:
“Absolutely.

150mbps is not a necessity as far as I'm concerned as I'm more than happy with the H+ and my phone doesn't need to be replaced right now. 4G will be a necessity when 3G is no longer the industry standard and it's all 4G phones on sale in the stores but even then not the 150mbps.

It's a bit of fallacy for people say "It needs to be at least 150mbps with all 4 bars lit up at the top of the screen the whole time, plus a very low ping to be a good internet connection"

All but one or 2 radio station transmit at less than 200kbps on tunein (none of them transmit anywhere near 1mbps, well short of the 150mbps some people apparently demand of 4G) and your smartphone handles several Google Play Store updates/downloads one at a time albeit in a batch whether it's a 3G or 4G smartphone. It's not exactly painfully slow downloading Google Playstore updates on a 3G phone, unless people only think 12 google play store updates all done in less than a minute as being the only acceptable which even then is impossible on a 4G smartphone.

So indeed there's no necessity for 150mpbs internet speed on a smartphone sim card.”

Three problems:

1 - people do more on a phone than just stream internet radio or download Android apps - like actual work, downloading large files, etc

2 - It's not about raw speed, it's about capacity. If you're getting 2Mbps that implies that your cell site is a bit congested so the speed is likely to drop further if demand from other users increases. If you can get 150Mbps, that leaves a hell of a lot of headroom if other users want to use the cell tower too. 4G is the way the network operators are increasing capacity, and people want it. It is also lower latency than 3G, making it more suitable for mobile broadband use and things like VoIP or online gaming

3 - the issue for some is the fact that 3 have lied about their rollout plan and haven't apologised for it or provided any information as to why they've had to change their strategy, rather than the lack of 4G itself. I'd be a lot happier if 3 said something like "sorry, we had to remove these towns, this is why and we're working to overcome these issues"

Currently for some people, EE represents the opposite - they've got a much stronger 4G network, a typically less congested 3G network, and it's looking more likely that EE is going to give them 4G before 3 plan to
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