Last Christmas has been rated 12 by the BBFC. So there you have it, Last Christmas is not suitable for children young enough to believe in Santa, after all.
Clara not believing in Santa?!
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I noticed that too.
But equally should the BBC have been showing something 'unsuitable for under 12s' at 6pm on Christmas Day?
But equally should the BBC have been showing something 'unsuitable for under 12s' at 6pm on Christmas Day?
I saw no issues at all.
Lots of Christmas films have children not believing in Santa. Miracle on 34th Street even has Santa in court!
Lots of Christmas films have children not believing in Santa. Miracle on 34th Street even has Santa in court!
That wasn't my point though - if it's certified as a 12 (for whatever reason) then it shouldn't really be shown at 6pm on the biggest 'family' viewing day of the year should it?
(Miracle on 34th Street is a U certificate.)
(Miracle on 34th Street is a U certificate.)
Wasn't The Polar Express centered around the premise of the little boy not believing in father Christmas? He didn't even believe in him when he was standing right in front of him.
Perhaps I should start a change.org petition to make it an 18...
Perhaps I should start a change.org petition to make it an 18...
Originally Posted by LightMeUp:
“Wasn't The Polar Express centered around the premise of the little boy not believing in father Christmas? He didn't even believe in him when he was standing right in front of him.
Perhaps I should start a change.org petition to make it an 18...”
“Wasn't The Polar Express centered around the premise of the little boy not believing in father Christmas? He didn't even believe in him when he was standing right in front of him.
Perhaps I should start a change.org petition to make it an 18...”
Maybe just an 18 for hopscotch23's kid(s). She had "a few tricky questions from [her] ten year old". So that child clearly needs to be shielded from reality and logic for a few more years.
Honestly, what sort of person thinks it's "tricky" when a child displays a perfectly rational scepticism for complete and utter BS? Is critical thinking a bad thing nowadays?
Originally Posted by be more pacific:
“Maybe just an 18 for hopscotch23's kids. She had "a few tricky questions from [her] ten year old". So that child clearly needs to be shielded from reality and logic for a few more years.
Honestly, what sort of person thinks it's "tricky" when a child displays a perfectly rational scepticism for complete and utter BS? Is critical thinking a bad thing nowadays?”
“Maybe just an 18 for hopscotch23's kids. She had "a few tricky questions from [her] ten year old". So that child clearly needs to be shielded from reality and logic for a few more years.
Honestly, what sort of person thinks it's "tricky" when a child displays a perfectly rational scepticism for complete and utter BS? Is critical thinking a bad thing nowadays?”
It's not like Clara was debating having an abortion or considering converting religion. It's father Christmas, hardly a life-changing realisation. 10 is quite old to still believe these days anyway.
Plus, as you say, skepticism should always be encouraged and supported. If Doctor Who makes you question your child's morality you've got far bigger problems than whether it believes in the fat man or not.
Originally Posted by LightMeUp:
“It's not like Clara was debating having an abortion or considering converting religion. It's father Christmas, hardly a life-changing realisation. 10 is quite old to still believe these days anyway.
Plus, as you say, skepticism should always be encouraged and supported. If Doctor Who makes you question your child's morality you've got far bigger problems than whether it believes in the fat man or not.”
“It's not like Clara was debating having an abortion or considering converting religion. It's father Christmas, hardly a life-changing realisation. 10 is quite old to still believe these days anyway.
Plus, as you say, skepticism should always be encouraged and supported. If Doctor Who makes you question your child's morality you've got far bigger problems than whether it believes in the fat man or not.”
But don't a lot of under 10-year olds depend on the fat man? I don't care if it made them believe Clara, but I was worrying that some could've taken it badly, that's all.
My OP was just a genuine question because I wondered if it could've affected children badly. It seems however that we've all come to the conclusion that it didn't affect children, so this thread is best left behind.
The very point of Father Christmas, ghosts, unicorns and God is that they are things that you believe in despite the cold rationality of nature, physics and logic. These things are magic - it's the fact that you believe despite the boring nature of 'reality' that makes them worthwhile.
Children totally understand that grown-ups don't always believe in magic.
Children totally understand that grown-ups don't always believe in magic.
Absurd thread. If Santa really HAD featured which for a moment I feared, this would have been an absurdly childish thing for a show like Dr Who. It is clearly NOT a children's programme which is why it was generally shown at 8pm during the last season. None of this one was suitable for the age range that still believes in Santa.
Originally Posted by Firegazer:
“But don't a lot of under 10-year olds depend on the fat man? I don't care if it made them believe Clara, but I was worrying that some could've taken it badly, that's all.
My OP was just a genuine question because I wondered if it could've affected children badly. It seems however that we've all come to the conclusion that it didn't affect children, so this thread is best left behind.”
“But don't a lot of under 10-year olds depend on the fat man? I don't care if it made them believe Clara, but I was worrying that some could've taken it badly, that's all.
My OP was just a genuine question because I wondered if it could've affected children badly. It seems however that we've all come to the conclusion that it didn't affect children, so this thread is best left behind.”
No they don't depend on the fat man. Why would they? Parents depend on him more, he makes their children slightly better behaved for the last two months of the year. But ultimately, he isn't real. Kids will get their bits of shitty plastic whether they believe in him or not. So no, I don't think 10 year olds depend on him even a little bit.
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