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queenshaks
29-12-2014
Originally Posted by misha06:
“We took the Beast with us to my parents, and when we got in and opened his box he made a beeline for the oven where he could smell tasty smells.

The parents have a high level oven so he did a thing of stretching up to it purring madly.

After that there was no way he wasn't going to get his rightful share

Dad carves the Turkey away from the table and places it so people can help themselves to what they want. Throughout this process the Beast was the worlds worst 'house guest' mewing and padding around.

So there was a platter laid with turkey for us and a little bowl for him. Mum is funny about the Beast; she treats him like a child (they had a couple of cats, which were older when they moved to their present house, but sadly, won't have any more because the road outside, although a distance from the house, is straight and there are lunatics who think it is a motorway)

So she was chastising dad who was giving him scraps, which the Beast would have loved and snarfed whatever.

"Don't give him the crap" she moaned at him "you don't want that do you?" (to Beast)

He's just mewing and hopping about like a child that needs the loo.

We all sit to the table and mum takes his bowl to the hallway. and he piles in slobbering. Then sits on dads chair sleeping.

Come evening time, we have supper; cold cuts, pickles, salads, cheeses, you get the idea. He emerges again, I decide he can have a sachet from the box we brought, but was overridden by mum (do not cross her, in her own home) so he started sorting out more turkey and some ham.

I told her he likes Stilton cheese, she didn't believe, but I put a crumb on the floor and it vanished, so then that a bit of that was added to the bowl. Emptied in moments

Back to his new favourite place in the world (dads chair) to sleep it off. Mum then insisted on leaving little bit down when we all went to bed "in case he is hungry in the night, because he can't go outside (!???!)

Boxing day, my brother and my nephews came, I was a bit concerned because the Beast isn't normally around noisy people. Mum puts puts out some pepperoni pizzas for the boys, as they are young , so they have something they will definitely eat.

The Beast is keeping a distance, not sure about the boys, and moves away when they come near.

The youngest whose 6, and a real sweetie want's to be friends. So I tell him that the beast likes pepperoni, and if he is quite and offers him some he might be friends to.

The little lad takes a bit and gently calls him and the beast, who thinks with his stomach, comes out and takes it from him.

This had the unfortunate side effect of.

a) Jed wanting all the pepperoni of all the pizzas to feed him, and

b) Max the older one also wanting to get in the act, causing a brother row.

This was calmed by, me telling them that they can give him a few bits each, in turn, but then leave him for a while to sleep because he is only little like they were.

Come supper time, Jed wanted mum to cook more pizza for the Beast (Max had lost interest in him). So I told him that pizza is just a treat, like sweets, and he has to have a proper dinner, but that he can give him a sachet.

Come stupid o'clock in the morning, and the boys are up, and The OH and me are woken up by Jed talking through the door that he wants to feed the Beast.

Bleary eyed, I call back, "when granny gets up she'll make pizza" hoping to get rid of him.

"No, he can't have pizza, that's not proper cat food"

Damn, hoisted by my own petard

So the beast, thinking it's Christmas (see what I did there) gets an early breakfast and I get an early morning with coffee and the DM puzzle pages.

So, after another of my epic waffles, what have we learned;

That the Beast had a turkey crimble dinner, got spoiled with non cat based, but nevertheless tasty treats, but still ate a sensible diet, and that a small boy learned that animals need to be treated and fed properly.

Quality crimble all round”

Excellent
molliepops
30-12-2014
Glad the beast enjoyed Christmas - will be wanting Christmas everyday at that rate LOL
AaronWx
30-12-2014
Do any of you realise that feeding your dog or cat food that's not meant for them is really harmful? Their digestive systems are not adapted to taking in "human food", which is why they have specific food which is of a chemical makeup much more suited to being digested by them.

All this stuff you have fed them for Christmas will have certainly caused your pets discomfort inside (even though you may not have been able to tell) and could have made them very sick.
misha06
30-12-2014
Sorry, but I don't subscribe to that.

Clearly giving a pet a diet of purely 'human food' is not a great idea, but every so often, something different is of no harm at all. I don't think any FM's here are saying any different.

Without being too graphic, the Beast had a litter tray over crimble, so when clearing it, I could see the state of his 'movements' - looked pretty normal to me.

The Beast is 12 next birthday, has a perfect shiny coat, bright eyes, and scampers about like a wally. Everyone who comments says he looks great.

Equally when our/my very first cat reached a grand old age, fed on tinned cat food (this was before sachets and foils because popular) but succumbed to kidney failure the vet prescribed a diet of steamed/boiled chicken and fish. Because that was better for her to process and she would still get nutrients.

Don't get much more 'human' than chicken or fish.

I tend to anthromorphisis (sp) with the Beast somewhat, for which I make no apologies, therefore I see giving him treats; ie human food, once in a while no great issue. In the same way as if I had children, I would let them have sweets and take them to McDonalds once in a while. (other fast food chains are available)

We could take it further; that cats hunt, capture and snarf prey (mice, voles, birds, rabbits, etc). I have yet to hear a vet say that any of the above are really bad for them at that they should be stopped from eating them.

I have to say, if I was on my uppers, I would rather share my chicken wing with the Beast than give him some of the cheap own brand tinned cat food out there, which smells and looks pretty rank. Chemically balanced or no.

Rant over, and breathe.....
molliepops
30-12-2014
There are no such things as human food and dog and cat food, what do you think dog food etc are made of ? I home cook for my dogs all the time, they thrive on it, and I know what they are having is good quality meat and vegetables, rice and potatoes. I don't like commercial foods that have meat derivatives and chemicals in them. Better I can recognise what I put in their dishes I think as decent food.

Cats need different things so you have to be a bit more careful with their diets but dogs can have 1/3 protein. 1/3 carbohydrate and 1/3 vegetables and will do very well on it.
AaronWx
30-12-2014
I'll just ignore all of the science I read about it during my zoology degree and take your word for it then...
ItsTotesSoFluff
30-12-2014
Yeah we had an 11 year old dog and my now 13 nearly 14 year old dog has been given human food through their years and never had a problem.
misha06
30-12-2014
Originally Posted by AaronWx:
“I'll just ignore all of the science I read about it during my zoology degree and take your word for it then...”

Dogma springs to mind here. (Dogma..geddit)

BHA and BHT (Butylated Hydroxyanisole, Butylated Hydroxytoluene) pretty nasty, found in many commecrcial pets foods. (admittedly down to a google search)

What did your science tell you about them
molliepops
30-12-2014
Originally Posted by AaronWx:
“I'll just ignore all of the science I read about it during my zoology degree and take your word for it then...”

You can read as much science as you like I look at fit healthy dogs and believe my eyes and my vet when he says he has never seen such fit dogs, not an ounce of fat and good teeth - Molliepops teeth and general fitness were fantastic until cancer took her from us, Duncan had allergies I had to home cook for him or he would have had a terrible life with what they put in commercial foods.
riversmum
31-12-2014
Originally Posted by AaronWx:
“Do any of you realise that feeding your dog or cat food that's not meant for them is really harmful? Their digestive systems are not adapted to taking in "human food", which is why they have specific food which is of a chemical makeup much more suited to being digested by them.

All this stuff you have fed them for Christmas will have certainly caused your pets discomfort inside (even though you may not have been able to tell) and could have made them very sick.”

I don't agree either. We had a lurcher that couldn't tolerate any kibble and so I fed him home cooked food his whole life and he was happy and healthy until we had to let him go at 13. I researched what he needed, my vet gave me advice and was happy for me to do it. He had a big variety of food, I'd cook it weekly and freeze portions for later.
Before anyone says raw - nothing against it, it's personal choice but I couldn't feed raw.

Our 4 dogs didn't have a full xmas dinner as 2 have delicate tummies/food intolerances so each had what I know suits them added to their regular food as I didn't want to be gassed out or to be cleaning up sloppy poo on boxing day! One loves veggies and will chomp them rather than meat! Obviously I was careful make sure they didn't have anything which is dangerous to them. They always get suitable left overs although divided by 4 it's not a lot!

Most commercial food is just rubbish left over from the human food chain cooked to death so they need to add vitamins and minerals back into it and spray it with stinky oil to make it palatable to dogs. Most that is! And yes I do feed commercial dog food, the best quality I can afford but they often have chicken, fish, veggies with it.
molliepops
31-12-2014
Originally Posted by riversmum:
“I don't agree either. We had a lurcher that couldn't tolerate any kibble and so I fed him home cooked food his whole life and he was happy and healthy until we had to let him go at 13. I researched what he needed, my vet gave me advice and was happy for me to do it. He had a big variety of food, I'd cook it weekly and freeze portions for later.
Before anyone says raw - nothing against it, it's personal choice but I couldn't feed raw.

Our 4 dogs didn't have a full xmas dinner as 2 have delicate tummies/food intolerances so each had what I know suits them added to their regular food as I didn't want to be gassed out or to be cleaning up sloppy poo on boxing day! One loves veggies and will chomp them rather than meat! Obviously I was careful make sure they didn't have anything which is dangerous to them. They always get suitable left overs although divided by 4 it's not a lot!

Most commercial food is just rubbish left over from the human food chain cooked to death so they need to add vitamins and minerals back into it and spray it with stinky oil to make it palatable to dogs. Most that is! And yes I do feed commercial dog food, the best quality I can afford but they often have chicken, fish, veggies with it.”

I agree, and anything that needs chemicals added to make it suitable for consumption can't be good really can it !
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