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Old 02-11-2016, 15:19
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I'm still hoping we get to meet Simon at some point. He doesn't need to be a regular but he could pop up for a bit and I really do want more of a look into what originated the Hennessey/Kiely feud as well.
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Old 02-11-2016, 15:56
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I'm still hoping we get to meet Simon at some point. He doesn't need to be a regular but he could pop up for a bit and I really do want more of a look into what originated the Hennessey/Kiely feud as well.
If you go to my post #1040 on this thread all the information regarding how the Henessey/Kiely feud started is there.
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Old 07-11-2016, 13:17
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Tonight is the mid-season finale and last episode of 2016.

Why?
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Old 07-11-2016, 18:14
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I'm still hoping we get to meet Simon at some point. He doesn't need to be a regular but he could pop up for a bit and I really do want more of a look into what originated the Hennessey/Kiely feud as well.
I think they're definitely building up to Simon making an appearance. From what I recall, he was never mentioned at the beginning of the series, not even when David and Katie were planning on moving to Australia. Then towards the end of last season, Simon in Australia started getting mentioned. And as we know, there's rarely a line of dialogue in Red Rock that doesn't link in with something down the line. They're not really ones for throwaway lines being used as filler.

Tonight is the mid-season finale and last episode of 2016.

Why?
This makes no sense! I thought maybe it was because TV3 would be airing I'm A Celebrity but it's on UTV this year. In place of Red Rock, they're showing DIY SOS next week. I don't recall it finishing this early last year?
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Old 07-11-2016, 20:18
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Tonight is the mid-season finale and last episode of 2016.

Why?
A lot of the US shows have mid season breaks, so maybe they've adopted the same idea for Red Rock. It will no doubt mean a cliff hanger to carry it over to the next part of the series when it's back next year.
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Old 07-11-2016, 22:54
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This makes no sense! I thought maybe it was because TV3 would be airing I'm A Celebrity but it's on UTV this year. In place of Red Rock, they're showing DIY SOS next week. I don't recall it finishing this early last year?
There was no winter break last year, just a summer one.

A lot of the US shows have mid season breaks, so maybe they've adopted the same idea for Red Rock. It will no doubt mean a cliff hanger to carry it over to the next part of the series when it's back next year.
There wasn't much of a cliffhanger and we are meant to still care about these stories when they pick up where we left off on 9th January? This is supposed to be a continuing drama and no preview trailer is going to make up for TV3 taking the show off air for a further two months.

Bad move.
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Old 08-11-2016, 02:39
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What a bizarre move!

It's only been back on air for two months, and now it's being taken off air for two months? People will not stick with this show if they keep messing it around.
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Old 08-11-2016, 02:49
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What a bizarre move!

It's only been back on air for two months, and now it's being taken off air for two months? People will not stick with this show if they keep messing it around.
Must say I'm absolutely baffled as to why they've pulled the series after nine episodes, it makes no sense whatsoever.

Could it be something to do with the move to the BBC??

This couldn't have been the plan when they launched Series 3 in September with a load of publicity, something must have happened behind the scenes to make them take the drastic action of pulling the programme from the schedule for the rest of this year. They're not happy with the one hour episode and will revert back to two episodes a week perhaps? Who knows.
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Old 08-11-2016, 03:05
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Must say I'm absolutely baffled as to why they've pulled the series after nine episodes, it makes no sense whatsoever.

Could it be something to do with the move to the BBC??

This couldn't have been the plan when they launched Series 3 in September with a load of publicity, something must have happened behind the scenes to make them take the drastic action of pulling the programme from the schedule for the rest of this year. They're not happy with the one hour episode and will revert back to two episodes a week perhaps? Who knows.
It's a strange one alright. It's not even like they've increased their episode output so they would've been filming the same amount of hours as before and it's not like TV3 are taking it off the air to make way for football or something like Britain's Got Talent.

And as Dullagj2 pointed out, the cliffhanger wasn't even that big. Like it could've been the ending of any normal episode.

The one thing I noticed about the preview trailer is that they're leaning heavily on the crime element now. Being set in a Garda station, there was always going to be that angle but now every family in the show, bar the Tyrells, is becoming involved in serious criminality be it covering up a murder, smuggling or loan sharking and assault. With the amount of guns being waved around, TV3 have obviously decided to go the Love Hate route which only has a certain shelf life so I hope they don't mess the show up.
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Old 08-11-2016, 03:24
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It's a strange one alright. It's not even like they've increased their episode output so they would've been filming the same amount of hours as before and it's not like TV3 are taking it off the air to make way for football or something like Britain's Got Talent.

And as Dullagj2 pointed out, the cliffhanger wasn't even that big. Like it could've been the ending of any normal episode.

The one thing I noticed about the preview trailer is that they're leaning heavily on the crime element now. Being set in a Garda station, there was always going to be that angle but now every family in the show, bar the Tyrells, is becoming involved in serious criminality be it covering up a murder, smuggling or loan sharking and assault. With the amount of guns being waved around, TV3 have obviously decided to go the Love Hate route which only has a certain shelf life so I hope they don't mess the show up.
My best guess is that normally when a show is pulled from the schedule at very short notice, it suggests the TV controllers are not happy at all with how it is performing in its timeslot. Perhaps they now view the switch to Monday evenings as having been a major mistake (for whatever reason).

I'm very surprised this has happened though, as I didn't see any drop off in quality compared to previous series. I'm assuming when it returns in early January, there will be a new timeslot or perhaps we'll even be back to two episodes a week on Wednesdays and Thursdays again.
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Old 08-11-2016, 03:38
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Episode 9 is ready anyway :

http://vshare.eu/9hszyaavkzyn.htm

Hopefully this interruption in the series is just a temporary problem for them and they get everything back on track in January.
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Old 08-11-2016, 21:44
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My best guess is that normally when a show is pulled from the schedule at very short notice, it suggests the TV controllers are not happy at all with how it is performing in its timeslot. Perhaps they now view the switch to Monday evenings as having been a major mistake (for whatever reason).

I'm very surprised this has happened though, as I didn't see any drop off in quality compared to previous series. I'm assuming when it returns in early January, there will be a new timeslot or perhaps we'll even be back to two episodes a week on Wednesdays and Thursdays again.
The twitter account says it's back Monday 9th January 2017.

The show's creator liked my irate tweet. Make of that what you will.

I'm baffled.
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Old 09-11-2016, 00:08
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The twitter account says it's back Monday 9th January 2017.

The show's creator liked my irate tweet. Make of that what you will.

I'm baffled.
The show must have been pulled from the schedule at very short notice. There was absolutely no mention in the press of Red Rock taking a break in November. Clearly the decision was taken by TV3 and the people behind the programme have no say.
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Old 09-11-2016, 15:50
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Yup, something is definitely off. There was no way a 'mid-season finale' was planned at all.

Maybe they need to find a new timeslot or feel the hour long format doesn't work or whatever but it's definitely suspect alright.
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Old 09-11-2016, 16:50
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Yup, something is definitely off. There was no way a 'mid-season finale' was planned at all.

Maybe they need to find a new timeslot or feel the hour long format doesn't work or whatever but it's definitely suspect alright.
Although I've adapted to the new time slot and format, personally I preferred it's original schedule. It's a heavy going show and an hour is a long time for a gritty drama week in, week out. Also, when it was on Wednesdays and Thursdays, these are quieter telly days and it could come off the back of Fair City. History shows that soaps need to stick together.

Now it's on a Monday, a day already saturated with serial drama, it has no Fair City to bounce off and it's on half-an-hour after the last big soap of the day has finished (Corrie). I think it's just asking too much of viewers. There's also some really bad characters like the new 'comedy' cop Adrian, Rory and David, all of whom are terrible actors and one-dimensional characters who need to be binned. Paudge is already the comic relief but unlike Adrian, he has some depth. Having two of the same kind of character in a show never works.

The show has other issues as well: I don't think the writing has been as good in this series as previous ones. Some of the storylines have been going on for absolutely ages and some new ones are needed, particularly for characters outside of the Kielys and Hennessys. Some characters and storylines disappear for weeks on end, which makes the show feel disjointed. The crime of the week element seems to have been lost. A lot of stories just go on too long and I'm losing both patience and interest; it's just going around in circles and audiences, however loyal, will only tolerate that for so long.

If they are going to stick with the one hour format, better to move it to a Saturday night off the back of Casualty in my opinion. Otherwise, I think TV3 need to accept defeat and move the show back to it's old schedule. But if something doesn't change, I honestly wonder if Red Rock will last more than another couple of years.
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Old 09-11-2016, 19:20
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Although I've adapted to the new time slot and format, personally I preferred it's original schedule. It's a heavy going show and an hour is a long time for a gritty drama week in, week out. Also, when it was on Wednesdays and Thursdays, these are quieter telly days and it could come off the back of Fair City. History shows that soaps need to stick together.

Now it's on a Monday, a day already saturated with serial drama, it has no Fair City to bounce off and it's on half-an-hour after the last big soap of the day has finished (Corrie). I think it's just asking too much of viewers. There's also some really bad characters like the new 'comedy' cop Adrian, Rory and David, all of whom are terrible actors and one-dimensional characters who need to be binned. Paudge is already the comic relief but unlike Adrian, he has some depth. Having two of the same kind of character in a show never works.

The show has other issues as well: I don't think the writing has been as good in this series as previous ones. Some of the storylines have been going on for absolutely ages and some new ones are needed, particularly for characters outside of the Kielys and Hennessys. Some characters and storylines disappear for weeks on end, which makes the show feel disjointed. The crime of the week element seems to have been lost. A lot of stories just go on too long and I'm losing both patience and interest; it's just going around in circles and audiences, however loyal, will only tolerate that for so long.

If they are going to stick with the one hour format, better to move it to a Saturday night off the back of Casualty in my opinion. Otherwise, I think TV3 need to accept defeat and move the show back to it's old schedule. But if something doesn't change, I honestly wonder if Red Rock will last more than another couple of years.
They really should have subscribed to the "if it ain't broke" way of thinking. It's reviews were good, it's ratings were obviously good, it signed two big deals for overseas airings with BBC and Amazon, it was winning awards, it was being called the "most successful TV export in Irish broadcast history". So they'd really no reason to move timeslot and tinker with the format.

One thing that I noticed with earlier episodes this season was that they were obviously still filming episodes in such a way that they could be split into half hour episodes if need be, presumably for Amazon. Like the pre-ad break cliffhanger at the halfway point felt as though it could've been an end of episode cliffhanger. So it should be easy enough for them to return to that format on TV3 if need be but the fact that it's returning on a Monday, suggests that they're sticking with the hour long for now.

I don't really mind the new cop either way but I do agree with you about Rory and David. I've always thought Rory was dire but David's gotten particularly annoying recently. I know he's written as a spoilt brat but he is played as really unlikeable and whiny now. I am liking the Michael and Robbie dynamic though. I wasn't that bothered with Michael previously as he rarely got any screentime but he's been really good since he's come to the fore.
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Old 10-11-2016, 13:54
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Yup, something is definitely off. There was no way a 'mid-season finale' was planned at all.

Maybe they need to find a new timeslot or feel the hour long format doesn't work or whatever but it's definitely suspect alright.
That's my guess, the Monday evening slot wasn't working for them and they took the quite drastic step of pulling the show from the schedule. They were probably afraid that if they moved the timeslot and format from one week to the next, it would be too problematic and confusing for the public.

It's definitely a major cock up for them anyway, heading into the Christmas season and the show is not even on air.
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Old 10-11-2016, 16:26
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That's my guess, the Monday evening slot wasn't working for them and they took the quite drastic step of pulling the show from the schedule. They were probably afraid that if they moved the timeslot and format from one week to the next, it would be too problematic and confusing for the public.

It's definitely a major cock up for them anyway, heading into the Christmas season and the show is not even on air.
But the announcer said it's back on 9th January, which is a Monday. None of it makes any sense.
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Old 10-11-2016, 16:58
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But the announcer said it's back on 9th January, which is a Monday. None of it makes any sense.
Are we likely to see a statement from TV3 about it? This is most bizarre. Does anyone have any ideas what the ratings were like? I know that it returned to 164,000 which they were very happy with, but have the figures slumped dramatically since? It must be a move based on audience figures; I simply don't know what else it could be. Big mistake as it could damage the momentum that the show has built up.
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Old 10-11-2016, 21:17
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But the announcer said it's back on 9th January, which is a Monday. None of it makes any sense.
Oh, that's right. If it returns in the same timeslot and in the same format, then I haven't a clue why it was pulled after nine episodes.
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Old 10-11-2016, 21:19
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Are we likely to see a statement from TV3 about it? This is most bizarre. Does anyone have any ideas what the ratings were like? I know that it returned to 164,000 which they were very happy with, but have the figures slumped dramatically since? It must be a move based on audience figures; I simply don't know what else it could be. Big mistake as it could damage the momentum that the show has built up.
Nobody really knows what has happened. It came back in September for its third series and all seemed well but now it has just vanished from the schedules for two months without any explanation.
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Old 12-11-2016, 19:12
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Just caught up with this weeks episode, very good, liking the darker side of Michael, don't know why David is the 'golden child', maybe it'll become clear later on.

Such a shame they've pulled it off air for a couple of months, very strange decision,especially after watching the trailer for what's happening next, oh well, will catch you guys in the new year, happy Xmas
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Old 22-11-2016, 17:26
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While this doesn't answer the question about why it was pulled, it goes some way to explaining why it was moved from it's original timeslots to begin with. The soaps that Red Rock was made to replace are now returning to TV3, upending the evening schedule in the process.

http://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2016...and-emmerdale/
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Old 25-11-2016, 02:04
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While this doesn't answer the question about why it was pulled, it goes some way to explaining why it was moved from it's original timeslots to begin with. The soaps that Red Rock was made to replace are now returning to TV3, upending the evening schedule in the process.

http://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2016...and-emmerdale/
I've a feeling that the return of Coronation Street and Emmerdale to TV3 at the start of December may well be a factor in why the show was temporarily pulled. Their entire evening schedule is about to be seriously disrupted and other programmes will have to be moved.
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Old 25-11-2016, 09:43
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I've a feeling that the return of Coronation Street and Emmerdale to TV3 at the start of December may well be a factor in why the show was temporarily pulled. Their entire evening schedule is about to be seriously disrupted and other programmes will have to be moved.
It's all rather confusing because Red Rock is actually the one show that is out of the firing line of the ITV soaps. Yet they still pulled it and filled it's timeslot with those ropey Channel 5 documentaries about home makeovers and dodgy landlords.

Coincidentally, this has just been mentioned in a report about TV3's recent revenue losses

"This makes Red Rock one of the most successful exports in Irish broadcasting history, although the soap opera’s ratings in Ireland have dropped of late and it is currently on a mid-season break"

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/m...year-1.2880595
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