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Old 12-03-2015, 05:18
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That's a pretty arrogant comparison to try and make.
No that's a valid comparison. You were trying to compare this kit with one that was created by a toy company for children. But you can't be further from the proper comparison. If you wanted to create a better comparison, lets say that Shelby created a scale kit of the Cobra. That would be a much better comparison. Its hard to downplay this when it actually has providence that directly leads back to the original film used model. Sure it is being produced at a much larger segment, however, the price range will still keep it out of the reach of those that do a lot of impulse buying but yet allow those that are truly collectors obtain something that has been much wanted and desired for over 30 years! I'm not being arrogant, I'm simply stating fact from knowledge of this genre that you clearly do not have.
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Old 12-03-2015, 05:23
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Kinda misses the entire point though; that these things are usually valuable because they're rare, low-volume, things.

Assuming that a mass-produced knock-off of such a thing is going to be valuable is a bit like thinking that your paint-by-numbers print of the Mona Lisa is going to be valuable too.

The poster has based their estimation of value long term on experience.
What's your estimation/opinion based on?

The completed model will be relatively rare anyway, regardless of how many kits are sold.

Your disparaging "paint by numbers" remark misses the point that a large amount of people will never finish the job, and of those who do finish, an amount will be finished badly.

Then there are the hundreds of thousands of people who would never in a hundred years be capable of making the model but would pay for the finished article if offered for sale.
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Old 12-03-2015, 09:17
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The completed model will be relatively rare anyway, regardless of how many kits are sold.

Your disparaging "paint by numbers" remark misses the point that a large amount of people will never finish the job, and of those who do finish, an amount will be finished badly.

Then there are the hundreds of thousands of people who would never in a hundred years be capable of making the model but would pay for the finished article if offered for sale.
I'll acknowledge that there might be specific differences in the media-sf collectibles market, but in other areas of kit-collecting the guaranteed way to destroy the value of a kit is to take it of its box (or remove the shrink-wrap, if applicable), let alone complete it. The equivalent for a partwork would be a complete set of the accompanying magazine with every piece still attached to its original runner/fret.
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Old 12-03-2015, 10:00
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I'm sorry... sitting here reading this and all of you talking about this without actually knowing anything about it... scoffing at the price thinking it is way too much. Lemme give you all a bit of actual knowledge here and maybe you'll begin to see why this is actually such a big deal.

Back in the 70's when they filmed Star Wars there was no such thing as CGI or computer animation. Everything was done "in camera" which meant that every single ship you saw in the movie actually exists in one form or another. Most were models that were hand crafted from scratch. Many were of various sizes and scales. The Millenium Falcon of course being the most popular.

When filming first started they built a 5' foot Falcon model... this was the first one. It weighed in at about 250 lbs and was quite cumbersome. In making the model they used various bits and pieces of other model parts glued to the surface to give it a more "unique and familiar" look. When they were filming the 5' footer, they realized they needed something a bit smaller, so they created the 32" inch version. The biggest problem when rescaling or resizing a "kit-bashed" model like this is that some of the original kits they used couldn't be found in a smaller scale size so bits and pieces were either left off or substituted for, so every size was a bit different then it's predecessor. They also made 3 other versions, but not until ESB. They made a smaller 23" Inch version that was only seen attached to the back of the Star Destroyer and a small 2" inch version that was only seen escaping the mouth of the space slug on the asteroid. Then of course was the full size that was used by the actors, however it wasn't actually full size either... its was more close to 2/3rds the size of the actual Falcon, but no one really cared or noticed when it was as big as life up on the screen and the full size was actually just partically built side that could be seen by the camera for ANH and they did make a complete version for ESB that floated on a cushion of air for ease of moving around the set if needed.

Now... With all that knowledge in mind, a little company started up called Master Replicas. Co-Founded by a man named Steve Dymszo, he and his team were granted access to the actual filmed 32" incher Falcon model that was used in all the movies, and had been stored in the Lucas Archives, the same model that saw the most screen time of any other ship used in the movies. What they were able to do is scan this model using unprecidented levels of detail so fine that it actually picked up dust off the surface of the model. With these scans with over 2.5 million points of reference their company produced the most accurate model of the Falcon ever produced. It was called the Master Replica's Millenium Falcon and it was glorious. Now this was only produced in a very limited run and was sold out rather quickly at around $5000 a piece. This was a Holy Grail for many collector's. Not only was it accurate to the original, but it had the providence from the original.

Years go by, and now you cannot find that model anywhere except occassionally on eBay and they end up selling for anywhere from $10,000-15,000 dollars U.S.! All of us who missed out on that beauty have had to either try and build our own, or do without.

Now however and just recently, a little UK company that has been producing high quality model kits for years contacted Steve and asked if he would be willing to help them produce a Falcon kit. But not just any kit... this would be a DeAgostini kit of the highest order. Steve has terrible OCD (like most of us model building sci-fi geeks and while going over the scans that they original had done of the Falcon, discovered that many of the little parts had broken off and were missing over the years of handling. He fixed that. He scoured the archive footages and original photos of the model and when he couldn't find a part, he scratch built it to make sure that this kit would be perfect! So here's what we know about this kit:

1) This part-kit is based directly on the original scans that were done of the 32" filming miniature that appeared in the ESB and ROTJ so you actually have providence there.

2) The MR Falcon was also produced from those exact same scans, however, it was discovered that many pieces had fallen off the original filming miniature over the years and were never repaired. The MR Falcon was reproduced without any of those missing peices and is basically an exact dupicate of the Original miniature as it is today. This DeAgostini kit fixes and replaces all the missing pieces that had fallen off over the years (pipes, parts, plates, etc).

3) This version contains a complete interior. The MR Falcon does not.

4) The MR Falcon sold for anywhere between $4000-$6000 dollars when it was released... when the DeAgostini model is finished including shipping, you're looking at anywhere between $1500-$1800 complete.

5) This is not just a snap-together model, it is a complete building kit which means you will have to glue, paint, and assemble it yourself. Its also multi-media. It's not just plastic, it's also metal parts, wires, screws, and various other mediums. Just like the original model was. If you have no modelling experience what-so-ever, you still end up with a better than decent model because all the parts are pre-painted, but with some practical assemblage and common sense, you could end up with a masterpiece. And if you're any good at model building what-so-ever (and maybe with a little OCD), you could end up with something better, a TRUE Replica Masterpiece!

6) This kit is completely lit and comes with all the wiring and lights you will need, but also has a special surprise as well. From what I've heard in the rumor mill, it's also going to be remote controlled including the boarding ramp!

7) You can display this in both flight or landed mode. It will come with landing gear (the 5 gear version, gotta remember this is the ESB verion, not the ANH version with only 3 gear).

8) The chances that this will be a short run and it will end before its done is pretty slim. DeAgostini has been in business for years and their kits are top of the line not only in accuracy, but in size and material as well. They've been doing this for a long time!

9) This is a 1:1 scale model of the 32" filming model. Not a 1:1 of the full size model. They actually made 4 different sizes for filming... the first was a 5' foot model. They used that for making the 2/3 size full size set version (which wasn't actually complete but only a set with the back half of the ship not even made). When they discovered that the 5' footer was too big for moving around and getting alot of the ction shots that were needed, a smaller 32" inch model was created and this is the one you see zooming thru the high speed scenes. The third model that was made was a smaller 2' foot model that was made and only seen once on the back of the Star Destroyer, and finally an even smaller 2" inch model that was only used in the space slug scene on the asteroid. Each version is a bit different because of the simple fact that the original 5' footer was a kit-bash... meaning they used 1000's of little parts and pieces from various other model kits and glued them to the surface of the original. When the 32" was made, alot of the original kits couldn't be found in the smaller scale, so the compromised and used different parts and pieces. You never really noticed because it was zooming around the screen but those with a trained eye and massive OCD can tell the difference. In any event, the 32" model saw the most screen time of any of the other versions because it was easy to move around and get all those cool shots, which is why this DeAgostini kit is so saught after and wanted.

10) This isn't going to be around forever. Just like with any model kit, I'm sure that this run will come to an end at some point, and if you wait around, you may just miss out on something that is truly ground breaking and the start of a whole new era of sci-fi modeling. I kicked myself for never getting the Fine Molds Falcon when it came out 10-15 years ago. Now its gone and the prices for them are thru the roof on ebay. When it came out, it was $250. Now you're lucky to find a complete MIB untouched kit for under $500... I've seen some selling for $800-$1000 on eBay. I'm not gonna let that happen again. I've got my subscription and can't wait to get started on this one when it arrives. I suggest if you have any interest in this what-so-ever to not hesitate, because you'll end up kicking yourself if you don't.

So before you go bashing something thinking it's stupid and a complete waste of money, do a little research and know your facts. Who knows... maybe now you might understand just why this is such a big deal and why the internet has been buzzing about this. Personally, I can't wait for mine to arrive. I know I could never afford $5000 up front for a model, but with this coming in at $1500-1800 in payments over 2 years, I can swing $60 a month. Hell I was paying more for layaways at Target and Walmart for a longer period when I was getting Christmas gifts! So... just ask yourself... is it worth it now?
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Old 12-03-2015, 10:10
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No that's a valid comparison. You were trying to compare this kit with one that was created by a toy company for children. But you can't be further from the proper comparison. If you wanted to create a better comparison, lets say that Shelby created a scale kit of the Cobra. That would be a much better comparison. Its hard to downplay this when it actually has providence that directly leads back to the original film used model. Sure it is being produced at a much larger segment, however, the price range will still keep it out of the reach of those that do a lot of impulse buying but yet allow those that are truly collectors obtain something that has been much wanted and desired for over 30 years! I'm not being arrogant, I'm simply stating fact from knowledge of this genre that you clearly do not have.
You're comparing a limited-edition model of the Cobra built by Shelby to a model that's mass-produced and built by anybody?
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Old 12-03-2015, 10:57
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...they had a similar offer to build a T-Rex once!

My son collected the issues until we realized it was gonna cost around £900 to finish the whole model (he only got as far as building one side of the head!)!!!

I think they have just re-opened this T-Rex one again as I saw an ad on tv for it !!!

Agreed - it is a right RIPP OFF!!!!
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Old 12-03-2015, 11:11
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You're comparing a limited-edition model of the Cobra built by Shelby to a model that's mass-produced and built by anybody?
That's not what I said at all... if you had read my previous post and I quote:

"5) This is not just a snap-together model, it is a complete building kit which means you will have to glue, paint, and assemble it yourself. Its also multi-media. It's not just plastic, it's also metal parts, wires, screws, and various other mediums. Just like the original model was. If you have no modelling experience what-so-ever, you still end up with a better than decent model because all the parts are pre-painted, but with some practical assemblage and common sense, you could end up with a masterpiece. And if you're any good at model building what-so-ever (and maybe with a little OCD), you could end up with something better, a TRUE Replica Masterpiece!"

You would have to have some modicum of talent to make this into a true replica masterpiece. But then again, if you gave a Mona Lisa paint-by-number to an 8 year old, you wouldn't expect it to look very good when it was done either would you? However, you give that same paint-by-number to say an art student, and you'd have something that would rival the original itself.

Just because it is mass produced doesn't automatically mean that it will turn out to be a piece of crap when it's done. Like any piece of artwork, if you have the right tools and materials, talent will also factor into the completed project. I wouldn't expect if for example you were to build this kit who probably have never built a model of this caliber before to turn out half as good as the same model built by myself having had years of building experience. This kit is like having all the same materials they used on the original at your fingertips along with detailed step-by-step instructions. This has never been available for the Falcon before.

Previously all the model kit companies have been aiming their target audience at the 8-12 age range and only in the last few years have they been realizing that most of those model builders have grown up and are wanting something that is a bit more detailed and accurate. However, there are still some kit makers out there that have been reverting backward by offering easy to assemble, prepainted, snap-together kits to allure the younger generation that is more interested in playing with it as a toy rather then the journey of creating something that will be remembered as a piece of art that it is. When I personally tackle a model kit I attempt to make it look as if it was actually used in the movie as closely as possible. But then again I tend to be a perfectionist and I have a bad OCD problem that prevents me from slapping something together without examining it beforehand.

So if Shelby were to mass produce a scale model kit of a Shelby Cobra, that would include all the same materials that a real car would use, and when done would look just like the real car complete with working doors, hood, steering, etc. Yeah, that would be a pretty special model if the person that built it had any talent in building models to begin with, whereas, if you gave that same model to an 8 year old, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't look anywhere near what a seasoned builder would produce, but it would still look like a Shelby Cobra. Does that make any sense?
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Old 12-03-2015, 11:19
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You're The Toy Hunter aren't you!?
LOL... No I'm not the toy hunter... just hate when I see ill-informed people slamming something they have no knowledge of!
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Old 12-03-2015, 11:28
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...they had a similar offer to build a T-Rex once!

My son collected the issues until we realized it was gonna cost around £900 to finish the whole model (he only got as far as building one side of the head!)!!!

I think they have just re-opened this T-Rex one again as I saw an ad on tv for it !!!

Agreed - it is a right RIPP OFF!!!!
There ya go... you gotta realize DeAgostini produces the highest quality model kits and I agree, they are not cheap. These kits are for the serious collectors only, because it requires a dedication to the craft. I would never recommend these kits to those that are just getting into the hobby. They are expensive, but you definitely get quality for the money paid that you wouldn't see in the off-the-shelf boxed kits that you would buy in the general market store. When completed these kits are something that you would put under glass as a display piece. Not something that you would play with when completed. As far as being a RIPP OFF, its only a rip off if you didn't do your research before jumping in. Next time try getting a kit in a box! Would probably be cheaper for your son.
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Old 12-03-2015, 12:10
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The best way to describe the DeAgostini kits would be Museum Kits. If you want a model that you would be proud to put on display that is 100% accurate to the real version, this is the kit for you. If you want something your kids can play with when its done, get a box kit from the market. These kits are top-of-the-line replicas... not out of the box toys. They have more then just this Falcon by the way. Their line of sailing ships are astounding in detail and workmanship. They have the best McClaren Formula One cars on the market, and I'm not just saying that arbitrarily. When I say THE BEST, I mean THE BEST. They aren't cheap, but when you're working on a replica (notice I said replica, not model), cheap is not a word to use for quality and accuracy.
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Old 12-03-2015, 12:16
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The best way to describe the DeAgostini kits would be Museum Kits.
Or, alternatively, I'd say "shite" is an equally valid description.
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Old 12-03-2015, 12:32
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I'll acknowledge that there might be specific differences in the media-sf collectibles market, but in other areas of kit-collecting the guaranteed way to destroy the value of a kit is to take it of its box (or remove the shrink-wrap, if applicable), let alone complete it. The equivalent for a partwork would be a complete set of the accompanying magazine with every piece still attached to its original runner/fret.
In the collectibles market this is true for any collectible. But as soon as you drive a car off the lot of a dealer it loses value too. However, if said person was for example Chip Foose who took that car home and customized that very same car into a one of a kind work of art, the value of that same car more then triples. The collectibles market can be quite fickle. I myself have spent years honing my building skills to be able to produce works of art that retain or increase the value of any build I complete. Recently, I completed an R2-D2 and C-3PO model kit that was produced in the 70's that were made by MPC at the time. These kits were known for their cheapness and inaccuracies. They are getting harder and harder to find now since they stopped producing them a long time ago. I picked up these kits off eBay for like $20 a piece. However, with my skill set and extensive research, I built and accurized these kits complete with working lights that I turned around and sold for $500. That's 12.5x the amount I paid for them. Now of course I did put some money and time into them, but not enough to warrent any kind of loss. A pretty good investment if you ask me. If it were the stock market, that would be called a high-yield investment. So, you truly have to factor in the experience and skill set of the builder behind the build as well when deciding the value of a collectible like this. But then again, this kit would make it relatively easy for anyone with even a modicom of talent to produce a good quality piece since it is so highly accurized to begin with. I'm not saying this kit is for everyone. What I am saying is that if you want something that will retain its value for years to come, this kit would probably be a pretty good investment in the long run. Even if you don't build it, and just hold onto every piece as they came out with the magazines etc and placed them into a safe for a few years, until the production run has ended, you would have a highly sought after kit that would probably give you double or triple what you paid for it initially. I guess it would be a long term investment. But personally I would build it because it is so totally cool!
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Old 12-03-2015, 12:33
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Or, alternatively, I'd say "shite" is an equally valid description.
And so the intelligence reveals itself once defeated the only way it knows how by spouting curses! Thank you for that. Better to be silent and thought of as a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt!
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Old 12-03-2015, 13:05
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Apparently it came out last year for 4 issues but stopped.
It didn't stop. It paused for awhile to retool the molds to fix some accuracy issues. Those that had purchased the subscriptions were sent the reissued issues for free along with 2 extra issues at no charge.

As for DeAgostini not being a UK company... hate to disappoint you all, but they have been a UK company longer then AirFix. The only reason you are just now hearing about them is because of the Falcon they are producing. AirFix was recently sold to Humbrel, so you're out of luck there.
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Old 12-03-2015, 13:14
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And so the intelligence reveals itself once defeated the only way it knows how by spouting curses! Thank you for that. Better to be silent and thought of as a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt!
At least I'll have the satisfaction of knowing I'm a fool with £900 in my pocket rather than being a fool with a heap of worthless tat on a shelf.

Still, on the bright side, it's kind of flattering to see that a humble thread on DS has come to the attention of DeAgostini.
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Old 12-03-2015, 13:57
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At least I'll have the satisfaction of knowing I'm a fool with £900 in my pocket rather than being a fool with a heap of worthless tat on a shelf.

Still, on the bright side, it's kind of flattering to see that a humble thread on DS has come to the attention of DeAgostini.
I have no idea if DeAgostini knows of this thread or not... I'm not affiliated with them in any way. Like I said, I'm just an avid collector and builder who tends to know more about a subject that was being flamed because you didn't know all the facts behind it.

I never told you to go out and purchase this kit in any way and seeing as you're not a collector, I wouldn't doubt that you would feel that spending that kind of money for a collectible like this would be a waste, however, lets look at the things that you probably do waste money on.

How often do you buy a video game that you finish in a few days and never pick up again? How often have you purchased a new gadget that was advertised on TV because it looked awesome only to discover that it really wasn't (The snuggy, the salad shooter, etc). How many times have you purchased lives in that Candy Crush game because you got P.O.'d that you couldn't get past that level? How many times have you purchased a movie DVD that now just sits on your shelf because you've got Netflix or Video on Demand now and haven't hooked your DVD player back up in years? Matter of fact... how many VHS tapes do you still own?

We all spend money on things that aren't necessarily good investments. If you were to sit back and add up all the money you spent on stupid things over the years, you'll probably be kicking yourself and would probably be able to afford that car you've always wanted or the house you've dreamed of. Most of that stuff you've purchased is junk that will never be valuable in the years to come (I'm sorry, just try and get back the money you spent on your Sega Genesis or old Nintendo!) You never will.

This however is unlike any of those things. Sure it may sit on the shelf, or even in a glass case (which is where mine is going), but this will be one of those things that secretly everyone wants but no one wants to admit to. This is one of those things that will be admired for years to come. Its not just something you buy and keep in a box. No, it's something that you put together yourself. Something you take your time with to get right... something that when completed actually makes you feel good about yourself that you accomplished something other then sitting on the computer writing bad opinions about stuff you have no clue about in order to invoke some kind of self worth and acheive a rise out of people who are passionate about the topic to suit your own ego. Needless to say, I personally would much rather be proud of something I have done that I could pass down to my children for generations, and know that it would be admired, then to simply waste away my life feeling bitter because I didn't get enough hugs as a child.

I apologize, I don't mean to sound harsh or vindictive here and in no way direct this at anyone in particular. It just irks me to no end when people start discussing and trashing things they don't understand simply to make themselves feel better or justify to themselves why they can't do something.
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Old 12-03-2015, 14:04
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I apologize, I don't mean to sound harsh or vindictive here and in no way direct this at anyone in particular. It just irks me to no end when people start discussing and trashing things they don't understand simply to make themselves feel better or justify to themselves why they can't do something.
Don't take it so personal James, we trash everything here.
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Old 12-03-2015, 14:07
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Old 12-03-2015, 14:23
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Don't take it so personal James, we trash everything here.
And that's the biggest problem we have... people think it's fun to trash and berate everything around them and we wonder why the terrorists are getting away with beheading people. If we all took a minute to think before we spoke and realize there are consequences to our actions, maybe things might be a little better all around. And I believe the key to that is knowledge of what it is you are talking about before you actually do. Sure I could go around and speak my opinion about everything I come across... but like they say, opinions are a dime a dozen, and most of the time they smell just as bad! Just get your facts straight before you form an opinion about anything and I'm sure everyone will discover that things will get better.
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And that's the biggest problem we have... people think it's fun to trash and berate everything around them and we wonder why the terrorists are getting away with beheading people.
Well, that escalated quickly.
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Old 12-03-2015, 14:34
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And that's the biggest problem we have... people think it's fun to trash and berate everything around them and we wonder why the terrorists are getting away with beheading people. If we all took a minute to think before we spoke and realize there are consequences to our actions, maybe things might be a little better all around. And I believe the key to that is knowledge of what it is you are talking about before you actually do. Sure I could go around and speak my opinion about everything I come across... but like they say, opinions are a dime a dozen, and most of the time they smell just as bad! Just get your facts straight before you form an opinion about anything and I'm sure everyone will discover that things will get better.
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Old 12-03-2015, 14:43
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Well, that escalated quickly.
Well in a way its true... we live in a society now that thrives on anonymity and hatred. People derive pleasure from causing pain and conflict. Most of it stems from the fact that everyone has an opinion and speaks out before thinking of the consequences those words can inflict. We all are sitting back wondering what went wrong and why all this is going on and it's because people in general have become so dulled by all of the senseless, ill-informed drivel that has permeated the web in the past 20 years that it has become second nature for many to just start dissing and slamming everythign they come across to get a reaction and start a buzz. To get people talking. And it doesn't matter if it's good or bad. Usually it seems as if it's mostly bad, and it's ingrained in some to just switch gears into that mode. But like I said, knowledge is the key to understanding. Once you understand the root, and grasp the concepts, things become clearer and there is no need to spout such mindless drivel. Until we change that root way of thinking, it doesn't matter what anyone says, their mindset will always be in the negative, and it leads down a very dark path. Time to wake up and grow up a bit. Know what you're talking about before you begin forming an opinion.
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Old 12-03-2015, 14:45
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I'm launching a magazine with bits on the front to build a soapbox, wanna buy it?
And so begins the idiocy! Truly depends... was the soapbox used in any major motion picture? Do you have documented proof that this is that same soapbox and will it be completely and totally accurate to the original? How long have you spent researching the said soapbox and what kind of history do you have in making soapbox replicas? Can you gaurentee in writing that if I purchase that subscription it will run to the end and if it doesn't will I get my money back? What kind of pricing are we talking about here? Is it the soapbox that was used in the Little Rascals or the one that was used in Annie the original movie or play? How many runs are you going to make of this? Will it be available overseas? What kind of credentials do you have in making soapbox replicas? Have you got anyone that has built one of them before and who do you have on your team to create the said soapbox? I think that once we establish some kind of providence I'll have a better idea of whether or not I would purchase the subscription. But based on the knowledge that this is just another jab at the Falcon kit and is most likely to be a fabrication of your loonicy, I believe I will have to pass, but I'm sure soapbox collectors around the world might be interested if you can answer the above questions to their satisfaction!
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Old 12-03-2015, 17:05
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I think I've made my point here. Its like a car... you don't just go to a lot and say I want that one and drive it home to realize it needs about $3000 in extra work because it's falling apart. You've got to ask the right questions and get informed about something like this before you jump in and make a hasty decision. Sure, the price is high, but after doing my research and asking the right questions, do I feel its worth the price. Yes I do. Do I think I can commit to a 2 year assignment of building something of this quality. Yes I do. I've spent longer on cheaper models. Do I believe that in the end I will have gotten my money and my times worth out of this kit? Yes I do. Do I feel as if it will be a good investment? Yes I do. I'm sure that after completing the project, knowing my skill set, I'll be able to produce a replica that would be worthy of any collectors collection. So, just ask yourself the same questions. If you answer no... don't buy it. But don't berate me for purchasing something I know will turn out to be an awesome addition to my collection.
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Old 12-03-2015, 18:06
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And that's the biggest problem we have... people think it's fun to trash and berate everything around them and we wonder why the terrorists are getting away with beheading people. If we all took a minute to think before we spoke and realize there are consequences to our actions, maybe things might be a little better all around. And I believe the key to that is knowledge of what it is you are talking about before you actually do. Sure I could go around and speak my opinion about everything I come across... but like they say, opinions are a dime a dozen, and most of the time they smell just as bad! Just get your facts straight before you form an opinion about anything and I'm sure everyone will discover that things will get better.
Since you decided to go there, I'd say that what's wrong with our society, and which arouses disgust in a lot of people, is our insistence on squandering our money on tat and even going as far as to claim that the tat is actually "important" in some way and attempting to hold it in esteem.

And, of course, the other side of that coin is the companies who continue to produce the tat and hawk it to a gullible audience, which DeAgostini is a prime example of.
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