i started this for all the plotsl holes mr steven moffat had give as now two things i have discoved is that you are not to crticse.star trek or mr moffat but here we go any way the end of matts 1st season amy wish the doctor into existence yet for around 47 year tv years the dr has been around and that was before amy was born now i sure you have better example and better spelling than me

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Well, I have watched all existing stories of Who over it's wonderful 51 year history and can confidently say that there have never been any plot holes, continuity errors or contradictions in any of the stories.Ever.





But might be fibbing.

Really? Care to explain why the master went through the hassle of killing the president of Gallifrey, rigging an election gaining access to the eye of harmony then hijacking the keepership of Traken and all it got him was a stolen body. When he could have sneaked onto Gallifrey and got a new regeneration cycle with less hassle or anyone knowing.

The Time war was supposedly horrendous and devastating but no one thought of ending it by either yanking open a TARDIS console or regenerating and pointing themselves at dalek ships

Yes. There will now follow a very long post that will clarify all of the supposed 'plot holes' in the previous 50 years......




Or I was not being serious.

Many variants/factions of the Daleks escaped the Time War (in fact it is more less now like they were never involved).

However the actual Timelords were first supposedly all destroyed by the Doctor in a (retrospectively) completely futile joint effort at the Daleks.

He was beyond delighted in the 50th when The Curator hinted he was to find Gallifrey (the main plot point of the episode), to then have it completely in his reach in The Time of the Doctor, and then to ignore it even when they gave him a new regen cycle and actually blow up the Dalek ship he previously hadn't brought them back for, for fear of the resulting war...

The cracks very conveniently sealed after he was granted his new cycle.

How about the fact that according to the 50th anniversary Matt's Doctor should not have started to regenerate when he was shot at Lake Silencio because he didn't have any regenerations left to start regenerating?

Thankfully that's saved by Time Lords apparently starting the regeneration process on their final life, but it ultimately kills them. It's in a story somewhere. Possibly DA, too, not sure.

(though it obv. wasn't the final life when originally written)

i hate threads like this.

I don't know they're usually good for a few laughs,Dr Who has always been full of holes,re-writes and terrible fixes.You can't take continuity too seriously.

That's not a plot hole, because he didn't start regenerating. He just made it look like he was, for the benefit of people who thought he should look like he was.

Wow, I'd completely forgotten about the Teselecta.

Between the end of series 6 and series 7 was a good example of this. AOTD Amy and Rory nearly divorced because they were so devastated that they couldn't have any more children. However did they even mention the daughter they already had ?. They were ok with the fact she was in prison for years after pretending to kill their "son in law". They should have fought to try and re-establish contact and some sort of relationship with her. Instead it was a "Hello ,Goodbye " brief reunion in New York then they were both dead and it was too late. They were not the only one to neglect her. 11 was not a great husband. He could and should have got her out of jail and spent a lot more time with her. He knew she was slowly running out of time before dying the library. He was right in TOTD he did owe her his life. He wouldn't have got to Trenzalore without her.

I think Steven Moffat did a good job, winding up all his story arcs for the 11th Doctor in 'The Time of the Doctor' in order to give Peter Capaldi a fresh start.

To be fair to Moffat, I sensed he had a master plan but had to change direction when there were so many complaints about the direction he was taking the show. I think that's why season 7 jars so much with seasons 5 and 6 - it was a complete change in pace and writing style that saw entire storylines dropped.

I thought that too until someone reminded me it was actually the Teselecta with the Doctor inside that was shot.

I still don't know how he got the Teselecta to look like it was regenerating though.

What??

Not a plot-hole.

I don't know about you, but I find it incredibly difficult to read posts which have a complete lack of full stops.

Full stops exist for a reason. Make the most out of them, OP

He did. Don't you remember? She spent all her days in prison, but her night's...that was between her and the Doctor.

I never heard River complaining about this arrangement, did you? She was probably glad of the free bed. She needed somewhere to rest, after all.

But in all seriousness, it was made abundantly clear that River was fully capable of escaping the prison whenever she wanted. Because she did. She chose to stay there. Except for when it didn't suit, of course.

I don't think anyone has actually addressed the OP. There are problems with continuity and plots in Who but this isn't one of them.

All of the 47 years of continuity you refer to was wiped out when the TARDIS' explosion caused the cracks which destroyed the Universe. All past history, including the Doctor's past was erased.

The sole remnants of the Universe that were preserved inside the Pandorica device were used to re-create the Universe in a close approximation of what it used to be but, until Amy's memories of the Doctor brought him back, he was not part of that newly recreated Universe.

Amy's recall was the trigger which the Pandorica used to fill in the gaps to complete the picture. It didn't all have to come from Amy's direct experience.

Now, technically speaking, since this isn't the same Universe from before the explosion any continuity errors with respect to events prior to the explosion can be explained away as just differences in how the new Universe was put together!

After Clara and the Great Intelligence jumped into the Doctor's timestream on Trenzalore they again rewrote (first by the GI and then by Clara) many features of the Doctor's history so, once again, we can no longer be sure of the continuity of any of the past events that we watched in Doctor Who episodes over the previous 50 years.

In a way, it's a great get out of jail free card, for anyone worried about continuity and plot holes. Not that there aren't still a few I can think of (and the whole Trenzalore thing has it's fair share in and of itself). Finding plot holes can be fun, though, so I'm not overly bothered by them

How about in S7 when he suppose to be dead but it turns out he had just deleted all the records across time and space ?. Meaning he had never existed in the first place !.

I can delete my browser history... And indeed this post... But I'd still have been here and done it... Just because you erase the evidence or it isn't recorded doesn't mean it doesn't exist... Anyone for a white raven?

I never understood how the Doctor got out of his own time stream at the end of 'The Name of the Doctor'

He walked out.