And it was hinted in 'Lets kill Hitler' that the Doctor could no longer regenerate. The TARDIS claims that he cannot regenerate, we assumed because of the poison lipstick. When in reality it was because he didn't have any remaining regenerations.
moffat holes
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Originally Posted by Series_Arc:
“I never understood how the Doctor got out of his own time stream at the end of 'The Name of the Doctor'”
“I never understood how the Doctor got out of his own time stream at the end of 'The Name of the Doctor'”
What happened was that as soon as the events of the GI and Clara's interventions had resolved themselves, the future timeline was altered so that the Doctor didn't die on Trenzalore. Therefore, he didn't have a grave with a timeline to jump into, therefore, they couldn't be trapped in it!
Ok how about the fact that River was imprisoned for murdering the Doctor by what would seem to be The Church of the Silence.
Tasha Lem refers to the breakaway faction as The Kavorian faction, which implies Kavorian leads. But Kavorian talks as if the Silence are her all powerful Masters, not confession bots. And whats it take for Tasha Lem to rein in her people. I mean they destroyed the universe.
Tasha Lem refers to the breakaway faction as The Kavorian faction, which implies Kavorian leads. But Kavorian talks as if the Silence are her all powerful Masters, not confession bots. And whats it take for Tasha Lem to rein in her people. I mean they destroyed the universe.
Originally Posted by Philip_Lamb:
“Ok how about the fact that River was imprisoned for murdering the Doctor by what would seem to be The Church of the Silence.
Tasha Lem refers to the breakaway faction as The Kavorian faction, which implies Kavorian leads. But Kavorian talks as if the Silence are her all powerful Masters, not confession bots. And whats it take for Tasha Lem to rein in her people. I mean they destroyed the universe.”
“Ok how about the fact that River was imprisoned for murdering the Doctor by what would seem to be The Church of the Silence.
Tasha Lem refers to the breakaway faction as The Kavorian faction, which implies Kavorian leads. But Kavorian talks as if the Silence are her all powerful Masters, not confession bots. And whats it take for Tasha Lem to rein in her people. I mean they destroyed the universe.”
Except that Kavorian wanted to kill the Doctor to prevent him from answering the question but, when we first meet Tasha Lem, no one had even translated the message to even know there was a question. So Kovarian's breakway initiative to kill the Doctor shouldn't even have happened yet (unless they knew about the question from the future but, in that case, they'd know the question was never answered anyway!)
Then there was the whole spacesuit thing. It could work on its own. So why did Kovarian do what she did to Melody aka River ?. Stealing her as a baby to brainwash her into a psychopath. Loses her then years later attacks the now adult and forces her back into afformentioned space suit to kill the doctor who she is now in love with!. There was never anything written in stone saying only a time lord or part time lord can kill another. Kovarian could have used suit or judas poison to do her own dirty work. That way she would have succceded. Didn't even bother to check the body or try to find his grave as prove he died.
Originally Posted by Thrombin:
“Except that Kavorian wanted to kill the Doctor to prevent him from answering the question but, when we first meet Tasha Lem, no one had even translated the message to even know there was a question. So Kovarian's breakway initiative to kill the Doctor shouldn't even have happened yet (unless they knew about the question from the future but, in that case, they'd know the question was never answered anyway!)”
“Except that Kavorian wanted to kill the Doctor to prevent him from answering the question but, when we first meet Tasha Lem, no one had even translated the message to even know there was a question. So Kovarian's breakway initiative to kill the Doctor shouldn't even have happened yet (unless they knew about the question from the future but, in that case, they'd know the question was never answered anyway!)”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKrhjddFq_o
Originally Posted by Sara_Peplow:
“Then there was the whole spacesuit thing. It could work on its own. So why did Kovarian do what she did to Melody aka River ?. Stealing her as a baby to brainwash her into a psychopath. Loses her then years later attacks the now adult and forces her back into afformentioned space suit to kill the doctor who she is now in love with!. There was never anything written in stone saying only a time lord or part time lord can kill another. Kovarian could have used suit or judas poison to do her own dirty work. That way she would have succceded. Didn't even bother to check the body or try to find his grave as prove he died.”
“Then there was the whole spacesuit thing. It could work on its own. So why did Kovarian do what she did to Melody aka River ?. Stealing her as a baby to brainwash her into a psychopath. Loses her then years later attacks the now adult and forces her back into afformentioned space suit to kill the doctor who she is now in love with!. There was never anything written in stone saying only a time lord or part time lord can kill another. Kovarian could have used suit or judas poison to do her own dirty work. That way she would have succceded. Didn't even bother to check the body or try to find his grave as prove he died.”
It is all a bit faffy, but the gist that I got was that they tied the events so thoroughly to the Doctor's time line and set the event at a fixed point in time to ensure no amount of time travel could prevent the Doctor's death.
It just never occurred to them that he could use a stand in apparently.
Originally Posted by Thrombin:
“Except that Kavorian wanted to kill the Doctor to prevent him from answering the question but, when we first meet Tasha Lem, no one had even translated the message to even know there was a question. So Kovarian's breakway initiative to kill the Doctor shouldn't even have happened yet (unless they knew about the question from the future but, in that case, they'd know the question was never answered anyway!)”
“Except that Kavorian wanted to kill the Doctor to prevent him from answering the question but, when we first meet Tasha Lem, no one had even translated the message to even know there was a question. So Kovarian's breakway initiative to kill the Doctor shouldn't even have happened yet (unless they knew about the question from the future but, in that case, they'd know the question was never answered anyway!)”
I don't think the Kovarian chapter was revealed until the Doctor went to see Lem after many years on Trenzalore, when the question had long been broadcast to the whole universe.
Originally Posted by Xmas_Trenzalore:
“It is all a bit faffy, but the gist that I got was that they tied the events so thoroughly to the Doctor's time line and set the event at a fixed point in time to ensure no amount of time travel could prevent the Doctor's death.
It just never occurred to them that he could use a stand in apparently.”
“It is all a bit faffy, but the gist that I got was that they tied the events so thoroughly to the Doctor's time line and set the event at a fixed point in time to ensure no amount of time travel could prevent the Doctor's death.
It just never occurred to them that he could use a stand in apparently.”
It was more than just using a stand in. The Doctor was there, in the right place, at the right time, fulfilling the requirements of the fixed point, just hidden safely away inside the Tesselector.
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