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Old 04-01-2015, 20:14
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We know DTC isn't exactly the most honest EP, so how about we make an entire thread about the bull he makes up Let's just see what we've got so far:

-Stan would be a villain
-Babe would be soft and cuddly
-Ronnie would be a villain
-It wouldn't become the Carter show
-Everyone would get their own turn in the spotlight
-He wouldn't try to recycle past hits
-He wouldn't do big stunts just to pull in viewers
-The show would become gritty again
-The Christmas day episode would be AMAZING (Up there with past hits)
-He would 'bring Sharon back good and proper'
-He would turn the show around

Are just some of the promises he's failed to keep
What else?
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Old 04-01-2015, 20:15
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Maybe people need to learn to separate PR from the show itself. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Most of those he has stuck to anyway, and the first two were done on purpose.
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Old 04-01-2015, 20:30
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He has turned the show around for the best on some ways as the Lucy murder, Nick fake fake and the new unit of roxy, Ronnie, Charlie and aleks is great. Fat boy has improved vastly since he took over but others like Liam, Lola and whit are ignored.

It not the Carter show its just the Linda Carter or the Linda and mick show (the others have only had a couple of episodes in the spotlight and we've had breaks from Shirley for weeks.

The Christmas episode was boring imo with too much time on the carters. Linda bring a Carter episodes down as a cant stand the character at all and the one bad apple spoils the enjoyment especially as she was central to it all.

The Stan and babe was a great twist. I like how Ronnie has become
Now tbh and she's a quieter villain atm not wanting to run risks of
Having baby taken away or left with roxy when she serves a prison sentence. Abi and Ronnie seem to Both share this dark side and it
Works well for both

The storyline repeats are ok as its limited what you can do in soap that reflects life and is dramatic. It would either be people moaning while they are work, school or bored at home most the time if they didn't have a storyline which each of the units. Also until aliens and ghosts are proven to exist they would not realistically be included in ee. At least with the who shot Phil take 2 Ian ironically went "what? Again?" Which I found amusing.

All dtc needs to do it dish out storylines and scree time more equally rather then:
40% mick and Linda
20% Shirley, Phil, Tina, dean, Stacey, Ian, the cottons
10% Denise, Ben, Nancy, Peter, the Brannings, jay, Sharon, dot
5% roxy, aleks, carol, Stan, Cora, Patrick
1% Lola, Liam, Whitney, kush, Donna
(I know I've not included everyone there)
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Old 04-01-2015, 20:32
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We know DTC isn't exactly the most honest EP, so how about we make an entire thread about the bull he makes up Let's just see what we've got so far:

-Stan would be a villain
-Babe would be soft and cuddly
-Ronnie would be a villain
-It wouldn't become the Carter show
-Everyone would get their own turn in the spotlight
-He wouldn't try to recycle past hits
-He wouldn't do big stunts just to pull in viewers
-The show would become gritty again
-The Christmas day episode would be AMAZING (Up there with past hits)
-He would 'bring Sharon back good and proper'
-He would turn the show around

Are just some of the promises he's failed to keep
What else?
bib all those things were true
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Old 04-01-2015, 20:44
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Maybe people need to learn to separate PR from the show itself. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Most of those he has stuck to anyway, and the first two were done on purpose.
Errrr which ones did he stick to exactly? Other than the first two which you just said were done on purpose, look at everything else...

-Ronnie would be a villain - This has not happened at all. She is very much still a heroin and not remotely a villain.

-It wouldn't become the Carter show - Kid yourself all you like but everyone is saying it is the Carter show, even those who are fans of DTC's era

-Everyone would get their turn in the spotlight - This certainly has not happened, so many characters have been left to one side or forgotten about for months

-He wouldn't try to recycle past hits - He basically admitted that he was recycling past hits with the Phil getting shot thing, saying sometimes reality needs to be suspended, sometimes things need to be repeated etc

-He wouldn't do big stunts to pull in viewers - What do you call New Years Day? (TBF though it was a great stunt and a great episode, however it was just for viewers)

-The show would become gritty again - It's really not THAT gritty. GrittiER than it was in Newman's era but that's not exactly hard. If you look at some of the most gritty SL's in the shows history then this really isn't much.

-Christmas day would be amazing - Err, did you not see the reaction?

-He would bring Sharon back good and proper - She may be LESS annoying than she was under Newman but once again that's not exactly hard. He still hasn't brought her back good and proper though, is she anywhere near as popular as she was before?

-He would turn the show around - I'm sorry but the pacing is awful ATM wit hthe block storytelling which is ruining the show IMO, there's too many 'secret's so it feels like we don't know many characters (such as Peter being a drug addict for example, and others who we are still suspicious about such as Les and Pam) and the show is still receiving too much criticism for it to be considered well and truly 'turned around'

As another poster said on here - Newman/Kirkwoods work was slop, DTC's is sausage and chips and Santer was lobster
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Old 04-01-2015, 20:45
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bib all those things were true
No, they really weren't...
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Old 04-01-2015, 20:49
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Do you know what, I myself have questioned DTC's work and analysed if EE is back to its former glory. All I know is he has me bloody hooked! I am back to been excited about episodes again, no everything that is done isn't perfect but that's what makes a good soap, one that drives your inner soapy passion, for you to care enough to get mad, excited, upset and happy!!!!! DTC has made people care about EE again!!! He has brought passion back into the show and he deserves credit for that.
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Old 04-01-2015, 20:50
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I'm still waiting for Sharon to be revived! The only time I've seen the real Sharon is with that business with Marcus and The Albert being smashed up. When Phil revealed to her that Dennis died because of him I thought wow okay this is the beginning of Sharon's revival but sadly not.
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Old 04-01-2015, 20:55
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Do you know what, I myself have questioned DTC's work and analysed if EE is back to its former glory. All I know is he has me bloody hooked! I am back to been excited about episodes again, no everything that is done isn't perfect but that's what makes a good soap, one that drives your inner soapy passion, for you to care enough to get mad, excited, upset and happy!!!!! DTC has made people care about EE again!!! He has brought passion back into the show and he deserves credit for that.
TBH the block storytelling he has introduced has made me completely unexcited about everything
The forgetting about characters and SL's for months, the 1000 new characters and returnees who appear for a few episodes, leave for months and return again, the overuse of the Carter's (Especially Mick!), the 1000 secrets each character must contain

It's all just a bit too messy for me
I feel the show isn't as in good hands as it was under Santer

I just don't feel the buzz anymore, I don't feel the grittiness, excitement, I don't feel gripped or glued to the show. It just doesn't excite me anymore.
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Old 04-01-2015, 21:00
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Do you know what, I myself have questioned DTC's work and analysed if EE is back to its former glory. All I know is he has me bloody hooked! I am back to been excited about episodes again, no everything that is done isn't perfect but that's what makes a good soap, one that drives your inner soapy passion, for you to care enough to get mad, excited, upset and happy!!!!! DTC has made people care about EE again!!! He has brought passion back into the show and he deserves credit for that.
good post, some people just complain about everything, not everything hes done has been 110% perfect, but what soap.....no tv show ever has. It was the best soap on the box over the Christmas and new year and deserves some credit for that.
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Old 04-01-2015, 21:04
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good post, some people just complain about everything, not everything hes done has been 110% perfect, but what soap.....no tv show ever has. It was the best soap on the box over the Christmas and new year and deserves some credit for that.
I'm not saying it needs to be 110% perfect
I'm just not enjoying it at the moment and I'm not the only one who has this opinion

And LOL it was NOT the best show on the box over Christmas
Did you not SEE the reaction? Nearly EVERY fan was underwhelmed and said how bad the Xmas episode was
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Old 04-01-2015, 21:07
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The Lucy storyline has definitely been massive but I'm not personally a fan of how much the Carter's are on screen. I can't deny he hasn't made EE more watchable however.
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Old 04-01-2015, 21:09
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I'm not saying it needs to be 110% perfect
I'm just not enjoying it at the moment and I'm not the only one who has this opinion

And LOL it was NOT the best show on the box over Christmas
Did you not SEE the reaction? Nearly EVERY fan was underwhelmed and said how bad the Xmas episode was
well theres many many people who are liking it at the moment

from what I remember the reaction on the christmas episode was a mixed bag.
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Old 04-01-2015, 21:10
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We know DTC isn't exactly the most honest EP,
Find me one who has stuck to every single one of their promises.

-Stan would be a villain
Changed most likely due to the appeal of Stan and how we've already had an evil father
-Babe would be soft and cuddly
Same as above
-Ronnie would be a villain
Killed a man, was stopping at nothing to get rid of nick, steals from her cousin
-It wouldn't become the Carter show
50/50 yes the appearances are high from them, but story-wise besides the Rape and Parentage they've not completely dominated.
-Everyone would get their own turn in the spotlight
With the exception of the Masoods everyone has had some big moments
-He wouldn't try to recycle past hits
This ill give you although hes more copying 75% of the ones i assume your talking about, he hasn't had the who dunnit occur over Christmas and the victim is a older male.
-He wouldn't do big stunts just to pull in viewers
I'm still not sure about this, he isnt really, the stunt didnt occur around a previously low viewing figured time eg Summer and it followed on from a good rating period
-The show would become gritty again
Its not 2001 gritty but its still pretty dark
-The Christmas day episode would be AMAZING (Up there with past hits)
Matter of opinion
-He would 'bring Sharon back good and proper'
shes had her moments, he didnt say it would happen immediately anyway
-He would turn the show around
He has, youd have to be a fool to think otherwise.
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Old 04-01-2015, 21:11
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The Lucy storyline has definitely been massive but I'm not personally a fan of how much the Carter's are on screen. I can't deny he hasn't made EE more watchable however.
Lucy SL has been a flop as well IMO

It was great at first, exploring family relationships, grief and more but when the SL started plodding along and 9 months later it has moved nearly nowhere, THEN it becomes an issue. The story is moving at bloody snails pace, we have found out really not that much since Lucy died.
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Old 04-01-2015, 21:11
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DTC has made me watch the show again - whether he lies in the press doesn't matter to me.

In an age where spoilers are rampant, he has pulled off so many great shock and twists - not only with characters returning but always the way storylines have gone.

Let's not forget how dire the show has become - he's come in with such a load of work to do and he has actually made EE exciting and a talking point for the better rather than the worse.

Can things be improved? Yes off course they can - every show can always be improved, but a lot of the points in the OP are slightly ridiculous.
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Old 04-01-2015, 21:12
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Lucy SL has been a flop as well IMO

It was great at first, exploring family relationships, grief and more but when the SL started plodding along and 9 months later it has moved nearly nowhere, THEN it becomes an issue. The story is moving at bloody snails pace, we have found out really not that much since Lucy died.
Well it may have been for you, but it's made the show have some of it's best ratings in years and is generating so much publicity and talking points that IMO it's had the desired effect.
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Old 04-01-2015, 21:16
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We know DTC isn't exactly the most honest EP, so how about we make an entire thread about the bull he makes up Let's just see what we've got so far:

-Stan would be a villain
-Babe would be soft and cuddly
-Ronnie would be a villain
-It wouldn't become the Carter show
-Everyone would get their own turn in the spotlight
-He wouldn't try to recycle past hits
-He wouldn't do big stunts just to pull in viewers
-The show would become gritty again
-The Christmas day episode would be AMAZING (Up there with past hits)
-He would 'bring Sharon back good and proper'
-He would turn the show around


Are just some of the promises he's failed to keep
What else?


bib all those things were true
and the two bits not in bold he said in an interview that was the plan and how they brought in and they decided to flip it as they thought it would work better. he was right imo

the show has been turned around beating corrie in the ratings, sharon is just about to come into her own heading up the. mitchell affairs!

everyone is getting their turn in the spotlight those who havent had stories have them coming up.
Ronnie killed Carl by crushing him alive, the stuff with nick will prove it evenmore so.

dtc likes to tell the stories properly rather than in a wham bam thank you mam blink and you miss it hollyoaks way. I know which I prefer
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Old 04-01-2015, 21:25
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He makes out it won't be the Carter show and then apart from a handful of episodes when Danny Dyer and Kellie Bright need a break , that is all we get .

Also he makes whoever an Eastenders icon . Linda Carter has been on the show for just a year , just because she is based on DTC's mother doesn't mean she is well on the way to being an icon like he has claimed .
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Old 04-01-2015, 21:26
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With Stan and Babe things are going to change when they see how the actors play their part don't think Dom can be blamed for that its all worked out for the best
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Old 04-01-2015, 21:27
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I think the worst has been 'we won't be doing covers of the greatest hits' - but every big storyline thus far has been EXACTLY that...

- Shirley / Mick = Kat and Zoe.
- Phil gets shot (again)
- Who Killed Lucy? Live Reveal = Who Killed Archie? Live Reveal
- Nick cuts breaks on a car and nearly killing his son = Nick cutting breaks on a motorbike and kills his son.
- Iconic couple marry in Live anniversary week (Bianca and Ricky = Ian and Jane)
- Max has inappropriate affair with Stacey = Max has inappropriate affair with Lucy
- Mick trashes The Vic on Christmas Day = Peggy trashes The Vic on Christmas Day

Just waiting for Den to come back from the dead again...
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Old 04-01-2015, 21:28
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Find me one who has stuck to every single one of their promises.
There's not sticking to a few promises, then there's not sticking to nearly any of them!


Changed most likely due to the appeal of Stan and how we've already had an evil father
Still not keeping to the promise though is it?

Same as above

Killed a man, was stopping at nothing to get rid of nick, steals from her cousin
And even then, she's still being portrayed as a tragic heroine
With Carl, Nick and Phil she was portrayed as the 'hero' in each storyline. They were the villains.
I love Ronnie personally, but when I'm told she is about to turn in to a villain, I want to see that happen. When I'm told she's about to become as bad as her father, I want to see that happen. I mean would you REALLY say Ronnie is comparable to Archie? No, I didn't think so

50/50 yes the appearances are high from them, but story-wise besides the Rape and Parentage they've not completely dominated.
They're on screen nearly every episode...Let's not try and fool ourselves in to thinking their appearance level hasn't been ridiculous

With the exception of the Masoods everyone has had some big moments
Roxy? Whitney? Lola? Jay? Les? Pam?
I'm afraid there's more to having 'big moments' than appearing for a week and then not being heard of for months
Not every character has had their time in the spotlight, that was an unrealistic thing for DTC to say and I knew he should never have said it. No way can any EP make sure every character fits under the spotlight.


I'm still not sure about this, he isnt really, the stunt didnt occur around a previously low viewing figured time eg Summer and it followed on from a good rating period
The NYD was definitely to pull in viewers
I'm not criticizing that, he has every right to do a stunt to pull in viewers
But if you're going to do it, don't pretend you're doing otherwise

Its not 2001 gritty but its still pretty dark
Nah, there's the odd gritty episode but most of the time it's plodding along and not really gritty at all

Matter of opinion
Yes but when the whole of social media say that they were completely underwhelmed and I've seen many say it was one of the worst Christmases in recent years (Which I'd agree with), then it becomes more than 'matter of opinion'

shes had her moments, he didnt say it would happen immediately anyway
There's 'not happening immediately', then there's not happening for over a year

He has, youd have to be a fool to think otherwise
Looks like I'm a fool then
There's no denying he's improved the show from Newman's era but that's not exactly hard
A monkey could have improved the show from that state

However he has still got a lot more work to do, and he's actually made some issues worse
Like the pacing was actually better under Kirkwood/Newman
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Old 04-01-2015, 21:29
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He makes out it won't be the Carter show and then apart from a handful of episodes when Danny Dyer and Kellie Bright need a break , that is all we get .
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I'd agree if it wasn't for the mass load of storylines not featuring them - plus they run the Vic, it's the central place of meeting for the show; off course they're going to feature heavily!
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Old 04-01-2015, 21:32
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Well it may have been for you, but it's made the show have some of it's best ratings in years and is generating so much publicity and talking points that IMO it's had the desired effect.
It was a talking point in the first month
But that was because in the first month it was actually GOOD

And it was a big talking point because of the high media coverage, such as newspapers/magazines and the Gods&Monsters trailer

However to mainstream viewers the SL has been tedious for the most part, just look at FB and Twitter

It has picked up again in the last few weeks as the SL has kind of started moving forward again, but from May-November the SL was moving forward on a directionless path
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Old 04-01-2015, 21:33
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EE is not being slated left right and centre for being boring or badly written - there are some bad episodes but not every episode is bad - and the viewing figures are up since the beginning of the year, so DTC has turned things around. EE is no longer the soap equivalent of a sick dog, waiting to be put out of it's misery.

No the ratings are not back to the historic highs, but no soap's are and I sincerely doubt that we'll ever see over 12 million viewers again for any soap.
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