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Madonna - Queen of the Charts?
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Cloudy2
09-01-2015
Originally Posted by Whitehouse95:
“Yes it did but to be fair it was utter shite, easily her worst single ever.”

It wasn't that bad, One More Chance, Human Nature, Girls Gone Wild and American Pie are all much worse than GMAYL.
glyn9799
09-01-2015
Originally Posted by Whitehouse95:
“Yes it did but to be fair it was utter shite, easily her worst single ever.”

Yeah it was crap! I liked Girl Gone Wild though. Masterpiece should really have been pushed as a proper single though. One of her best in a long time IMO!
vauxhall1964
10-01-2015
Originally Posted by glyn9799:
“Not really a fair comment though because she's only released a handful of singles in that time. She released 18 singles from 2000-2009. All but 3 made top 10.

She only released 4 in the years since. And although not a massive seller, Give Me All Your Loving only charted as it did because loads of downloads were not chart eligible.”

It's a totally fair and relevant comment. She's not the reigning queen of pop if she can't score a hit single regardless of her track record a decade or more ago.
RandomPeter94
10-01-2015
Annie Mac has played Hung Up and then her new song Living For Love (and said Diplo produced it) on her show on Radio 1. Also said that Madonna is 56, that she has been around since the 80s, is a fan of dance music (since Annie Mac's show is a dance&electronic show), stuff like that.

Now Annie Mac has played it once (could she play it again, who knows), would actually be good if Living For Love was played on Daytime for promotion. Doubt it will though since Scott Mills said 2 years ago that they don't play Madonna anymore due to young people not being fans of her. Maybe that is just for daytime radio, specialists DJs have choice in the music where as daytime presenters don't.
RoadRover
10-01-2015
Originally Posted by RandomPeter94:
“Annie Mac has played Hung Up and then her new song Living For Love (and said Diplo produced it) on her show on Radio 1. Also said that Madonna is 56, that she has been around since the 80s, is a fan of dance music (since Annie Mac's show is a dance&electronic show), stuff like that.

Now Annie Mac has played it once (could she play it again, who knows), would actually be good if Living For Love was played on Daytime for promotion. Doubt it will though since Scott Mills said 2 years ago that they don't play Madonna anymore due to young people not being fans of her. Maybe that is just for daytime radio, specialists DJs have choice in the music where as daytime presenters don't.”

Capital have been playing L4L a LOT. It's amazing how blatant that R1 are with their ageism. It's the last accepted form of prejudice. If the music is good, why not play it?
babelogue
10-01-2015
Originally Posted by RoadRover:
“Capital have been playing L4L a LOT.”

That's good to hear.

I never listen to the radio, but I just assumed Madonna wasn't played at all anymore, apart from maybe some of her 80s stuff every now and then.

If Capital are playing it, does that mean it stands a good chance of being a hit? I don't know how popular Capital is or isn't.
dearmrman
10-01-2015
Originally Posted by RoadRover:
“Capital have been playing L4L a LOT. It's amazing how blatant that R1 are with their ageism. It's the last accepted form of prejudice. If the music is good, why not play it?”

I am always of the opinion if R1 don't play it...then it must be good

Again though an artist like Madonna & for her fans, the charts, record sales should be seen as irrelevant, her legacy will still stand, and I believe no other female artist will ever have the legacy she has....I will be also very surprised if any of the current male/female artists that are considered big now will still be after 30 years.
Sereniity
10-01-2015
Originally Posted by dearmrman:
“I am always of the opinion if R1 don't play it...then it must be good

Again though an artist like Madonna & for her fans, the charts, record sales should be seen as irrelevant, her legacy will still stand, and I believe no other female artist will ever have the legacy she has....I will be also very surprised if any of the current male/female artists that are considered big now will still be after 30 years.”

The only artist of the current lot who will have a career that lasts as long as Madonna's is Beyoncé. She is already over half way there.

Lady Gaga was just a flash in the pan and she will never be big again. Katy Perry and Taylor Swift will drop off like Britney and Christina.
babelogue
10-01-2015
Originally Posted by Sereniity:
“The only artist of the current lot who will have a career that lasts as long as Madonna's is Beyoncé. She is already over half way there.

Lady Gaga was just a flash in the pan and she will never be big again. Katy Perry and Taylor Swift will drop off like Britney and Christina.”

This.

Madonna's music, whilst always pop, has always had a bit of substance and depth to it, or a message.

Katy Perry and Taylor Swift produce just pop music for the sake of it. I know Taylor writes her own stuff, but anyone could sing Katy's stuff - it's that generic. No one will remember or care in 30 years time.

I don't know enough about Beyonce's music to say whether there's any depth to it or not.
wizzywick
11-01-2015
I am a lifelong Madonna fan. To me she will always be relevant. Not by having record sales and number 1 singles, but by what she says and how she makes me feel in her music. It was quite a discerning and disappointing time in the period following Confessions on a Dance Floor. Hard Candy was an OK album but I felt her spark had gone from it. It was like, for the first time in her career, her buttons were being pressed by other people. The album lacked the excitement and the wow that the previous album had delivered. American Life is one of my favourite Madonna albums because you can feel her disenchantment with the American political system of the time. Her angst and emotion on the album is centre piece and remains there throughout the whole record. An under rated and poorly received album, it has stood the test of time and sounds fresher today than it did when it was released 12 years ago. And that's my point. A "new" Madonna album containing "new" music is 12 years old. People say they only like her old stuff, but that only covers around 4 years of her career. Her best music in my opinion, is her most personal and provocative, and that is from 1989 through to 2005. MDNA felt like she didn't care. You could tell that she wasn't bothered about writing, she just tweaked some lyrics to suit her. The single choices were lame and record sales were unimpressive. But her tour was absolutely magnificent despite it being in Hyde Park.

She made no promotion for MDNA. She made no interviews or appearances, only did videos for online viewing. Nothing was pushed to the extreme and as such her fans became slightly disenchanted because they felt let down. But, they also knew that she was a full time mum, dedicated to her children and the album MDNA, did give us a few Madonna gems. You could tell which tracks she had the biggest input in because those are the strongest tracks. I'm A Sinner for instance belongs next to Ray of Light. Masterpiece belongs on Like A Prayer and Love Spent is so good it is the stand out track on the whole album.

Then we get the 6 songs that Madonna posted online. 4 of them are excellent. 1 is OK and 1, with Nicki Minaj is absolute shite. Madonna works better when she's left alone to get on with what she wants to do. She does not need to collaborate. The leaked demos indicate a Madonna album full to the brim with her input. It is shaping up to be the best album since Ray of Light. You can 100% identify her lyrical input immediately. Something that has been lacking since CoaD. That's why she is relevant. I can relate to what she has to say. When she does it well, she does it very very well. That's why she is Queen of Pop. That's why she always will be.
CakeLike
11-01-2015
She is past her time. No one really checks for madonna now apart from her few remaining fans
Feline77
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by CakeLike:
“She is past her time. No one really checks for madonna now apart from her few remaining fans”

Ha! You will be proved wrong.

I cannot wait for Rebel Heart!
wizzywick
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by CakeLike:
“She is past her time. No one really checks for madonna now apart from her few remaining fans”

Madonna actually has one of the largest fan bases in the world. They're quite a quiet bunch. And, Madonna's new album is possibly the most anticipated of 2015 according to several sources.
marc822
15-01-2015
Without radio one support an artist fails to chart. She is 58 years old, so she is classed now as a granny in music to radio one. When they would play her songs she charted. They ignored GMAYL and the others and said they wont play them. Sad but true. My 19 year old niece referred to her as a granny. What can you do. Younger people have no respect and are brought up ageist. They now seem to only like an artist for one album period, then its onto the next one and 'they are so not cool' - Its very sad. Every artist has a shelf life, Madonna should be very proud she has made it to her age and can still be a number 1 global concert seller. Thats achievement. Her fans are loyal, as for gaining new ones from kids that buy chart music, i think those days are gone!
wizzywick
15-01-2015
Originally Posted by marc822:
“Without radio one support an artist fails to chart. She is 58 years old, so she is classed now as a granny in music to radio one. When they would play her songs she charted. They ignored GMAYL and the others and said they wont play them. Sad but true. My 19 year old niece referred to her as a granny. What can you do. Younger people have no respect and are brought up ageist. They now seem to only like an artist for one album period, then its onto the next one and 'they are so not cool' - Its very sad. Every artist has a shelf life, Madonna should be very proud she has made it to her age and can still be a number 1 global concert seller. Thats achievement. Her fans are loyal, as for gaining new ones from kids that buy chart music, i think those days are gone!”

She is actually only 56!
James_Maitland
16-01-2015
Brit awards?
elnombre
16-01-2015
Originally Posted by little-monster:
“Longevity is what is relevant imo”

What, so you're automatically great just by virtue of having stuck around long after you slipped into irrelevance?
Whitehouse95
16-01-2015
Originally Posted by elnombre:
“What, so you're automatically great just by virtue of having stuck around long after you slipped into irrelevance?”

Her tours prove that she is far from irrelevant. With the amount of success she has had she will never be irrelevant anyway.
Whitehouse95
16-01-2015
Originally Posted by Cloudy2:
“It wasn't that bad, One More Chance, Human Nature, Girls Gone Wild and American Pie are all much worse than GMAYL.”

American Pie was a dreadful cover of Don McLean's classic and Girl Gone Wild was mediocre as well but I don't agree about the other two. One More Chance was just her voice and a guitar, it showed off her vocals and Human Nature actually contained a message to her critics. I still think Give Me All Your Luvin' is the worst single she's released.
dearmrman
16-01-2015
Originally Posted by elnombre:
“What, so you're automatically great just by virtue of having stuck around long after you slipped into irrelevance?”

Well she still greats record deals and sells out concerts, so I think that answers your question. What is irrelevant is the charts...unless you can name an act currently that will be still around in 30+ years time.
Rijowhite
16-01-2015
Originally Posted by madiain28:
“Whilst Madonna is alive and releasing music she remains the Queen of Pop due to the fact she is the biggest selling female artist of all time worldwide. That doesn't mean she is currently top of the charts, otherwise you would be so called Queen, King etc would change on a weekly basis. Unlike Michael Jackson who self proclaimed himself "King of Pop". Madonna is generally referred to as the Queen of Pop due having the biggest global physical record sales for a female artist. The record will now never be broken as you can't really compare streaming music and downloads to physical sales. So it now makes it virtually impossible to compare artists careers from pre to post the download era. Hence media looks at touring sales and demand to the current success of an artist.”

The term 'King Of Pop' was being used to describe Michael Jackson in the mid 80's before Elizabeth Taylor described him as such around 1989.

I totally agree with your point as Madonna though, it's her total career sales that have seen her crowned 'Queen Of Pop'. You have to earn your stripes to be termed King/Queen of a musical genre, no matter what lazy journalists might say.
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