I think Generation Game ought be brought back, wasn't there rumours Miranda was interested?? The format wouldn't have to be tweaked much - it could prove very popular, especially this summer. Just keep it a Nick Knowles free zone.....
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Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“Although not a spectactular night for ratings I think it deserves a WOW !!
TVUK not dropping much and still hitting 8m is a surprise and probably shows it is more liked than many on here think. Now You See It geting 5m is ridiculous and more ammunition for the deault audience brigade although of course ITV had a cheap clip show getting bigger figures than this that has run for a lot of years.
SITE is yet another show hailed as the next thing thats has flopped hard. Maybe ITV should get the message that people want something new and quash these revivals once and for all.”
“Although not a spectactular night for ratings I think it deserves a WOW !!
TVUK not dropping much and still hitting 8m is a surprise and probably shows it is more liked than many on here think. Now You See It geting 5m is ridiculous and more ammunition for the deault audience brigade although of course ITV had a cheap clip show getting bigger figures than this that has run for a lot of years.
SITE is yet another show hailed as the next thing thats has flopped hard. Maybe ITV should get the message that people want something new and quash these revivals once and for all.”
I'm not sure what the audience wants. Both the BBC and ITV have tried new formats in recent years and nothing seems to have worked.....that puppet show, the Bradley Walsh vehicle (keep it in family?), the thing hosted by Clare Balding, the one presented by Gabby Logan, plus I'm sure there were others. Now you could say they were all poorly executed ideas, but still.
Other than the Voice, the last new format that I can remember being a success was Total Wipeout. Bring it back, i say! Even if it means more Richard Hammond
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“They have a digital channel that offers that alternative already. Next idea !”
“They have a digital channel that offers that alternative already. Next idea !”
They have 3/4 digital channels supposedly offering an alternative and they are not being watched as much either.
Originally Posted by grahamzxy:
“I think Generation Game ought be brought back, wasn't there rumours Miranda was interested?? The format wouldn't have to be tweaked much - it could prove very popular, especially this summer. Just keep it a Nick Knowles free zone.....”
“I think Generation Game ought be brought back, wasn't there rumours Miranda was interested?? The format wouldn't have to be tweaked much - it could prove very popular, especially this summer. Just keep it a Nick Knowles free zone.....”
Interesting you say that as wouldn't Miranda turn it into a show in her style; similar to Harry Hill and Stars in Their Eyes. I wonder whether that's why the reports are saying it will be a 'Generation Game-like show' - so Miranda can stamp her personality on it without bastardising the original?
Originally Posted by aberdaberdonian:
“I'm not sure what the audience wants. Both the BBC and ITV have tried new formats in recent years and nothing seems to have worked.....that puppet show, the Bradley Walsh vehicle (keep it in family?), the thing hosted by Clare Balding, the one presented by Gabby Logan, plus I'm sure there were others. Now you could say they were all poorly executed ideas, but still.
Other than the Voice, the last new format that I can remember being a success was Total Wipeout. Bring it back, i say! Even if it means more Richard Hammond”
“I'm not sure what the audience wants. Both the BBC and ITV have tried new formats in recent years and nothing seems to have worked.....that puppet show, the Bradley Walsh vehicle (keep it in family?), the thing hosted by Clare Balding, the one presented by Gabby Logan, plus I'm sure there were others. Now you could say they were all poorly executed ideas, but still.
Other than the Voice, the last new format that I can remember being a success was Total Wipeout. Bring it back, i say! Even if it means more Richard Hammond
”
Wipeout was good and got good numbers until they started it far too early and killed it off. Although how long it would have lasted is open to question.
Originally Posted by mrstreetcred:
“Win your wish list deserves a re commission, a traditional style gameshow, but really easy to get into and play along !”
“Win your wish list deserves a re commission, a traditional style gameshow, but really easy to get into and play along !”
Agreed. It isn't a bad format and is quite a pleasant quiz to watch.
Originally Posted by Drifter:
“There is no way Stars returning as a "normal" show would have worked any better. That would mean a straight, outdated singing show vs a straight, popular singing show. Why would that work? It might have mopped up a few more older viewers but we'll never know and I doubt they wanted it skewing old anyway.
The Voice returned with over 8m, not many shows do, so for ITV there wasn't going to be much to hold up against that.
The Voice should hold up except surely its lead in will plummet? But that will be countered by Stars falling I suppose.
Nothing to be done now except see what occurs next week and if it gets worse, see if ITV are brave enough to do some switching.”
“There is no way Stars returning as a "normal" show would have worked any better. That would mean a straight, outdated singing show vs a straight, popular singing show. Why would that work? It might have mopped up a few more older viewers but we'll never know and I doubt they wanted it skewing old anyway.
The Voice returned with over 8m, not many shows do, so for ITV there wasn't going to be much to hold up against that.
The Voice should hold up except surely its lead in will plummet? But that will be countered by Stars falling I suppose.
Nothing to be done now except see what occurs next week and if it gets worse, see if ITV are brave enough to do some switching.”
I disagree, I think it might have had more of a chance if they had played it straight (well straight ish) There's a lot of nostalgia for it, not just amongst the older age group- I think Bradley Walsh/Stephen Mulhern (as much as they get a lot of stick) would have been better at getting the balance between the fact its a funny show but not to overpower the contestants. (Lets not forget TV Burp is fondly remembered but it was never a ratings powerhouse, and Harry is a marmite comedian so I'm baffled how ITV thought this would work)
Let's remember the most popular show on TV is a genteel show about amateur bakers, and the joy of old SITE was giving the public an opportunity to perform as their idol in a similar way, never mocking- That was lost last night and basically kills any chance it has of working again which is such a shame because there was a couple of moments (the 'Tonight.... line, the smoky doors, the transformations) that showed a glimpse of what it used to be.
Ratings wise, The Voice did very, very well (and deservedly so) and shows that people do actually want to watch it, despite the fact the press have the knives out- The reboot last year really worked and If it holds up (or potentially grows throughout the Blinds like it can do) then the BBC are looking vindicated in commissioning series 5 with this one
Originally Posted by aberdaberdonian:
“I'm not sure what the audience wants. Both the BBC and ITV have tried new formats in recent years and nothing seems to have worked.....that puppet show, the Bradley Walsh vehicle (keep it in family?), the thing hosted by Clare Balding, the one presented by Gabby Logan, plus I'm sure there were others. Now you could say they were all poorly executed ideas, but still.
Other than the Voice, the last new format that I can remember being a success was Total Wipeout. Bring it back, i say! Even if it means more Richard Hammond”
“I'm not sure what the audience wants. Both the BBC and ITV have tried new formats in recent years and nothing seems to have worked.....that puppet show, the Bradley Walsh vehicle (keep it in family?), the thing hosted by Clare Balding, the one presented by Gabby Logan, plus I'm sure there were others. Now you could say they were all poorly executed ideas, but still.
Other than the Voice, the last new format that I can remember being a success was Total Wipeout. Bring it back, i say! Even if it means more Richard Hammond
”
Total Wipeout was just It's a Knockout with a few amendments anyway.
I have to admit I liked Keep It in The Family. I'm not sure whether they needed the celebrities though; it felt like they were shoehorned in. So, as you say, the execution wasn't brilliant.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Interesting you say that as wouldn't Miranda turn it into a show in her style; similar to Harry Hill and Stars in Their Eyes. I wonder whether that's why the reports are saying it will be a 'Generation Game-like show' - so Miranda can stamp her personality on it without bastardising the original?”
“Interesting you say that as wouldn't Miranda turn it into a show in her style; similar to Harry Hill and Stars in Their Eyes. I wonder whether that's why the reports are saying it will be a 'Generation Game-like show' - so Miranda can stamp her personality on it without bastardising the original?”
Your right it would have exactly the same problem as SITE. The only difference might be that with Miranda being popular people might at least give it more of a chance by at least watching the 1st ep to see if it was any good, but you can imagine the same reaction, "this isnt The Gen Game".
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Once you've decided to hate something, you really hate something don't you? Can I ask you what you were expecting Now You See It to be? I expected it to be a You've Been Framed type clip show that had some odd, bizarre and amusing clips of magic performances. I didn't expect it to be a proper magic show and as such what I watched was exactly what I expected. It had a good commentary without it being patronising and as such it was just a light bit of easy viewing to while away 30 minutes. It isn't clogging up the schedules, it isn't preventing anything else from aIring and I suspect it appealed to a decent amount of people who thought exactly the same about it as I did. I think people have way too high expectations of what they think programmes should be, that's why they're always disappointed.”
“Once you've decided to hate something, you really hate something don't you? Can I ask you what you were expecting Now You See It to be? I expected it to be a You've Been Framed type clip show that had some odd, bizarre and amusing clips of magic performances. I didn't expect it to be a proper magic show and as such what I watched was exactly what I expected. It had a good commentary without it being patronising and as such it was just a light bit of easy viewing to while away 30 minutes. It isn't clogging up the schedules, it isn't preventing anything else from aIring and I suspect it appealed to a decent amount of people who thought exactly the same about it as I did. I think people have way too high expectations of what they think programmes should be, that's why they're always disappointed.”
It will drop next week.
Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“They have 3/4 digital channels supposedly offering an alternative and they are not being watched as much either.”
“They have 3/4 digital channels supposedly offering an alternative and they are not being watched as much either.”
They're so obsessed with the digital channels it feels like they've forgotten about the main channel. They've made two interesting commissions for Encore - they could have easily aired on the main channel.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Agreed. It isn't a bad format and is quite a pleasant quiz to watch.”
“Agreed. It isn't a bad format and is quite a pleasant quiz to watch.”
I said last night that I was starting to like it - just wish there was a bit of competition in it like 2 couples etc
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“The family dramas. The likes of Doctor Who and Merlin worked for BBC One; it's the next logical step. They've commissioned them but, as I said earlier, I think they've waited too long. And I still can't work out which numbskull thinks airing Thunderbirds in a morning slot is a good idea when they're crying out for something different in the early evening.”
“The family dramas. The likes of Doctor Who and Merlin worked for BBC One; it's the next logical step. They've commissioned them but, as I said earlier, I think they've waited too long. And I still can't work out which numbskull thinks airing Thunderbirds in a morning slot is a good idea when they're crying out for something different in the early evening.”
I am in two minds about Beowulf. I personally think it is way too niche to attract a mass family audience. Yes, it's ancient English folklore, but who can hold their hands up and admit they're familiar with it? I would have concentrated on Jekyll and Hyde to get that going and make a success of that before commissioning multiple dramas in the same genre.
With Atlantis rumoured to be ending after series 2, what will the BBC do next?
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“It will drop next week.”
“It will drop next week.”
No doubt it will, but what if it doesn't drop by the amount you're hoping for? Should ITV and BBC just stop putting out new LE now? Everything, literally everything, is slated and social media brainwashes people into thinking everything is crap, and that's before some have even seen it. Heaven forbid they form their own opinion!
You still haven't answered my question. What did you expect Now You See It to be?
Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“To be fair I did not like Hill in it but he was not the main reason it was awful.”
“To be fair I did not like Hill in it but he was not the main reason it was awful.”
Not my point. Quality is subjective, but if last night, Branestawm and the movie prove Andy's point that people avoid Harry Hill like the plague outside of TV Burp then maybe Branestawm would have been given more of a chance without said 'curse of Harry Hill'.
Originally Posted by tobi:
“The Voice had the worst competition possible last night, a show most people would have turned off in five minutes and switched channels. The Voice was nothing great either. One of the reasons that I don't like it is because it is all about the judges. Pick me as your coach please and I will drop you like a stone in the next round.”
“The Voice had the worst competition possible last night, a show most people would have turned off in five minutes and switched channels. The Voice was nothing great either. One of the reasons that I don't like it is because it is all about the judges. Pick me as your coach please and I will drop you like a stone in the next round.”
Hang on I think the Voice deserves more credit then that. I mean your saying worse competition, but wasn't you the one who said yestaday you thought SITE could win the clash??? But now all of a sudden because it pretty much flopped and TVUK did really well, your saying that.
It is looking very poor for ITV....but this is what you get when you over rely on the same shows and endless showings of soaps.
Perhaps having SIX digital channels is too much, as the main channel is suffering? People dont want to see cheap factual, same old soaps etc. Where is the ITV of old?
Perhaps having SIX digital channels is too much, as the main channel is suffering? People dont want to see cheap factual, same old soaps etc. Where is the ITV of old?
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“ Everything, literally everything, is slated and social media brainwashes people into thinking everything is crap,”
“ Everything, literally everything, is slated and social media brainwashes people into thinking everything is crap,”
I wouldn't go as far as "literally everything". "Literally" everything that's pap is slated yes, but the good stuff isn't. Bake Off is popular on twitter. Sherlock is popular on twitter. Strictly is popular - post-Bruce - on twitter.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I did the same.
"Oh I should have turned round. Why didn't I turn round?"
Er, the same reason as last year when you said the same thing, presumably. And the year before that. And the year before that.
There's being kind and there's being patronising.”
“I did the same.
"Oh I should have turned round. Why didn't I turn round?"
Er, the same reason as last year when you said the same thing, presumably. And the year before that. And the year before that.
There's being kind and there's being patronising.”
Agreed. She wasn't even that great and you could hear the nerves in her voice. I wouldn't have turned round either. Are they THAT desperate to be considered as the 'positive' show that they won't even give constructive criticism anymore?
I personally thought it was a bit of a chore to get through last night, certainly the worst opener imo. Not down to Rita who I thought came across surprisingly well, but I just don't think it offered anything new.
Originally Posted by Zac Quinn:
“Not my point. Quality is subjective, but if last night, Branestawm and the movie prove Andy's point that people avoid Harry Hill like the plague outside of TV Burp then maybe Branestawm would have been given more of a chance without said 'curse of Harry Hill'.”
“Not my point. Quality is subjective, but if last night, Branestawm and the movie prove Andy's point that people avoid Harry Hill like the plague outside of TV Burp then maybe Branestawm would have been given more of a chance without said 'curse of Harry Hill'.”
I'm not sure Harry Hill being in Branestawm had anything to do with the lack of success it has, as it was obvious he was playing a heavilly developed character, and it wasn't just a Harry Hill production that would have had him doing his usual act.
That drama just got lost in the schedules, just the luck of the draw, it could easily have done the same as Esio Trot.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“If it falls to embarrassing levels next week, are we expecting a reaction from ITV? They seem intent on being more aggressive this year, if Wonder of Britain getting yanked after one episode is anything to go by.
UKTVR reports 3.6m for TMO - so likely that by next week it will be the stronger show. Worth shunting everything back so that TMO starts at the same time as The Voice?”
“If it falls to embarrassing levels next week, are we expecting a reaction from ITV? They seem intent on being more aggressive this year, if Wonder of Britain getting yanked after one episode is anything to go by.
UKTVR reports 3.6m for TMO - so likely that by next week it will be the stronger show. Worth shunting everything back so that TMO starts at the same time as The Voice?”
Not sure what the best move is, that or timing it so TMO starts at 8.25pm as The Voice is ending. TMO would probably have got 4m without The Voice though. Disaster for Stars. It's going to be a long 6 weeks. Stars did no better than Splash and will probably be worse than Splash across the run. I wonder if they might just be better off running family movies into TMO until Takeaway comes back.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Ok, Take Me Out performed better than I expected but will it retain that audience if/when Stars in Their Eyes takes a hit? It's a shame they've decided to go down the route of film repeats after than rather than something new.”
“Ok, Take Me Out performed better than I expected but will it retain that audience if/when Stars in Their Eyes takes a hit? It's a shame they've decided to go down the route of film repeats after than rather than something new.”
It's only for a couple of weeks. The Jonathan Ross Show is back on the 24th, not that I expect that to rate well either.
Awful rating for Stars In Their Eyes. Looks like ITV at the moment (and for the last 10months) are incapable of launching anything new (non-drama wise) to even a half decent audience. If a revival of Stars In Their Eyes can't even gather enough interest to get 4m on a January Saturday night (which it really should've done, even taking into account the bad reception), then what chance do their other new non-drama shows have which don't have Corrie/XF/BGT support? Very little, I would say. I now expect Get Your Act Together will launch with around 3m in a couple of weeks (well down from what even the worst rated DOI episodes used to get) and most of their new factual shows to continue getting 2-3m. Even what you would call their 'solid' returning shows have underperformed so far this year, with Foyle's War well down from what it normally would get at this time of the year (it's faced a combination of Countryfile/Antiques Roadshow and a BBC1 drama before and never been as low as 4.7m) and Benidorm recording some of its worst Friday numbers since 2007. It looks like ITV have started off 2015 just as badly as how they were doing in 2014. Besides Broadchurch (which is going to start taking a hit this week onwards anyway), there is no momentum on the channel on weeknights at 9pm. And on the weekends they have half the audience BBC One has in the 5-7pm period (due to their own fault of airing YBF and movie reruns), which has made it much more difficult than it should be for the 7pm show to pull in a decent audience.
Very good rating for The Voice, I genuinely thought it would return about a million down from last year due to the lack of hype (IMO there didnt seem to be as much buzz around it), no Kylie factor, 4th series syndrome etc. But it's proven to be a strong performer for BBC One once again, and the good news for it is I can't see it dropping much if at all over the next few weeks during the blind auditions, as I'm sure some Stars In Their Eyes viewers will be switching over. Now You See It started well too - it sounds like it wasn't the best of shows but even if it does drop, it's started at a high enough point, that it may well settle at a solid 4m, especially being sandwiched between BBC News and The Voice.
Very good rating for The Voice, I genuinely thought it would return about a million down from last year due to the lack of hype (IMO there didnt seem to be as much buzz around it), no Kylie factor, 4th series syndrome etc. But it's proven to be a strong performer for BBC One once again, and the good news for it is I can't see it dropping much if at all over the next few weeks during the blind auditions, as I'm sure some Stars In Their Eyes viewers will be switching over. Now You See It started well too - it sounds like it wasn't the best of shows but even if it does drop, it's started at a high enough point, that it may well settle at a solid 4m, especially being sandwiched between BBC News and The Voice.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Total Wipeout was just It's a Knockout with a few amendments anyway.
I have to admit I liked Keep It in The Family. I'm not sure whether they needed the celebrities though; it felt like they were shoehorned in. So, as you say, the execution wasn't brilliant.”
“Total Wipeout was just It's a Knockout with a few amendments anyway.
I have to admit I liked Keep It in The Family. I'm not sure whether they needed the celebrities though; it felt like they were shoehorned in. So, as you say, the execution wasn't brilliant.”
RE: Total wipeout, i agree, it certainly had it roots in other formats....I meant 'new' in the sense it wasn't a reboot. Keep it in the family, had that same kind of vibe too. If ITV recommission it for a second series, maybe they should try it early Saturday evening.
To me, these type of light hearted, "innocent" programmes which are played for laughs and where the audience get to chuckle at the participants (but not in a mean way) stand the best chance of being a success. Had SITE tried to play it all for laughs it might have worked slightly better, but the fact (i assume) the participants were taking it seriously made it strange and disjointed viewing.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Interesting you say that as wouldn't Miranda turn it into a show in her style; similar to Harry Hill and Stars in Their Eyes. I wonder whether that's why the reports are saying it will be a 'Generation Game-like show' - so Miranda can stamp her personality on it without bastardising the original?”
“Interesting you say that as wouldn't Miranda turn it into a show in her style; similar to Harry Hill and Stars in Their Eyes. I wonder whether that's why the reports are saying it will be a 'Generation Game-like show' - so Miranda can stamp her personality on it without bastardising the original?”
I think a "Generation Game" style programme could definitely work.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“No doubt it will, but what if it doesn't drop by the amount you're hoping for? Should ITV and BBC just stop putting out new LE now? Everything, literally everything, is slated and social media brainwashes people into thinking everything is crap, and that's before some have even seen it. Heaven forbid they form their own opinion!
You still haven't answered my question. What did you expect Now You See It to be?”
“No doubt it will, but what if it doesn't drop by the amount you're hoping for? Should ITV and BBC just stop putting out new LE now? Everything, literally everything, is slated and social media brainwashes people into thinking everything is crap, and that's before some have even seen it. Heaven forbid they form their own opinion!
You still haven't answered my question. What did you expect Now You See It to be?”
Now You See It was Youve Been Framed only 20 years too late. It did what it said on the tin but is likely to drop I would have thought but that is down to the punters. They are not watching YBF these days either.
Originally Posted by big dan:
“Agreed. She wasn't even that great and you could hear the nerves in her voice. I wouldn't have turned round either. Are they THAT desperate to be considered as the 'positive' show that they won't even give constructive criticism anymore?
I personally thought it was a bit of a chore to get through last night, certainly the worst opener imo. Not down to Rita who I thought came across surprisingly well, but I just don't think it offered anything new.”
“Agreed. She wasn't even that great and you could hear the nerves in her voice. I wouldn't have turned round either. Are they THAT desperate to be considered as the 'positive' show that they won't even give constructive criticism anymore?
I personally thought it was a bit of a chore to get through last night, certainly the worst opener imo. Not down to Rita who I thought came across surprisingly well, but I just don't think it offered anything new.”
I don't think she should have got to the blind audition stages. I think she auditioned for BGT and didn't make it to the televised stage.
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