Very impressive for The Voice to be UP a point in share on the Kylie-enhanced launch last year, and only down -0.28m in volume. The total television audience was down -1.5m year-on-year in the slot.


No; the schedule for last night was confirmed on 18 December. I notice that the programmes between Final Score and Now You See It were running several minutes earlier than billed in the Radio Times:

17:16 - Pointless Celebrities (scheduled for 17:20)
18:07 - BBC News (18:10)
18:29 - Now You See It (18:30)

Better.

Great stuff there for the Voice.

delete.

8m want to watch Karaoke on a Saturday night and vote for best singer. Boring in my books but it seems to have become a staple in the same way soaps are. XF in Autumn straight to voice in January.

I'm thinking more in the sense that if they insisted it went against The Voice they had to try it differently otherwise you basically have 2 singing shows clashing.

If they tried it straight it had to be in another slot, in fact probably another day altogether. I still can't see that working either though despite the points you make being reasonable.

As for Harry, at its height Burp did rate well. He feels much like Keith Lemon where ITV are desperately trying to find another format for him that sticks. Keyhole sort of works for Lemon so they probably thought Stars would for Hill. And I can see why they'd think that. It wasn't as bad as is being made out, there is potential but it's probably too late now. Ultimately maybe it's just the wrong show to revive - of its time and nothing else.

Agree with all of that. Why do you think ITV are stuck in such a rut right now? Like you say it's not just new shows which are struggling but also basically every returning show is down too, some quite significantly. Foyle's War and Benidorm have been quite a way off their usual numbers and we saw the same in the Autumn with Lewis, Scott & Bailey, Downton Abbey, The X Factor, The Jonathan Ross Show, I'm A Celebrity, Through The Keyhole, The Suspicions of Mr Whicher, Surprise Surprise, For The Love of Dogs, Piers Morgan's Life Stories, Royal Variety and the soaps all posting declines to various extents (some not by much, some by a lot). Meanwhile Chasing Shadows, The Great Fire, Keep it in the Family and Celebrity Squares all flopped (for various reasons admittedly, the dramas were rubbish), Sunday Night at The Palladiummwas a damp squib and whilst Grantchester did reasonably well I had expected a little more. Only Cilla was properly big. The Summer was a total disaster too. Surely it's more than just a coincidence that all of these shows have taken a drop recently? Especially as some of them are pretty lomg running shows.

I don't know what is going on but ITV are having a very bad time of it recently (Broadchurch the current exception but that is a big event show rather than a regular series and like you say will take a hit in the overnights at least for the next 4 weeks) and I don't know when the tide will turn. None of the other channels seem to be having quite such a miserable run, so I don't know what it is that has caused it. My hopes are not high for Get Your Act Together either if Stars could only get 3.7m. Then Mr Selfridge will no doubt be down at 9pm too. Having said that, if Dancing on Ice was back based on the recent trends it would probably be in the 4s for the main shows and the 3s for the results so it's not like keeping that would have helped. I do wonder how Rising Star would actually have done. Probably badly but still, could it have been worse than Stars or GYAT?

Agree about The Voice although I think Now You See It will take a bigger drop than that. Planet's Got Talent might do OK on ITV too.

Lol! i guess I asked for that answer!

Excellent start for The Voice. I expected it to be down year on year more than that. It seems to have been received pretty well so it should have a good year. I wonder what the demos were like. I remember last yer it skewed older than I expected, although Rita Ora in for Kylie might have changed that a bit.

If you saw the trailer why would think it would be better?

Odd to see CBB on The Sun's front page this morning. I'm sure it's been a while!

OK ratings, to sum up.

The Voice was around 400k on my prediction, I think it did very well. There seemed to be less hype, so the fact it managed over 8m is very impressive! SITE, not a very good start, is it? In fact, should I say it is close to awful? Take Me Out climbed quite a bit from last weeks opener which is good. It looks good compared to SITE. I reckon in the next couple of weeks, TMO could be hitting 4m and will probably be seen as one of the only lights in the Saturday ITV schedule until Takeaway comes back. And as I said, fantastic for CBB, especially for a Saturday and a decision to move it later. Fantastic share.

Harry Hill is just a flop. People don't like him. He got lucky with the format of TV Burps but that would have easily been a hit with another Presenter. Everything else he has attempted has failed. TV bosses need to realise this.

I wasn't surprised. One because there was more than whiff of controversy about events in the house yesterday. And two, there were reasons to think The Sun would feature CBB more prominently this year anyway, with Richard Desmond who runs rival newspapers no longer having anything to do with it and Endemol now coming under Murdoch ownership.

While the BBC did better than ITV last year a lot of BBC shows were down, they had their fair share of flops and were far from perfect. ITV had their successes too.
We are only a week into the new schedules so its a bit early to call a crisis just yet.
It is however going to be interesting to compare this January with last with regard to ITV as no one was expecting them to do worse and most were saying they would do much better.

You don't look at Twitter closely if you say that. Not everything us slated and it doesn't matter if it is, ratings matter. Anybody working in TV that bases commissions on Twitter trends instead of ratings is an arse!

BBC and ITV can make what they like. If I like it I'll say so. But if they don't I'll say so. and you cannot stop any of us from saying so. Try and stop us. Try. Come on, stop us!

It'll hold its ratings now and I'll look like a tit!

i watched Stars in their Eyes last night. I have seen The Voice before and didn't really mind missing it because, as viewers have no time to invest in the contestants, it didn't matter if I didn't get to see who was chosen. So I watched SITE. I thought, initially, that it was fun. It was a new way to do something familiar. The first half worked. I enjoyed it. I actually liked the zany VT's, I hate the "I'm just a poor woman striving for success" type VT's that you get everywhere these days. And the woman who did Kylie sort of sounded like Kylie. Then came a commercial break. The momentum had gone. I stayed with it though and watched the couple do "The Everly Brothers". It was OK and Harry's antics were just a bit of innocent buffoonery. Then came the Rhianna impersonator. Oh, My, God!! She was so bad it hurt my ears. Then I started wondering who SITE was aimed at. To have Kylie, The Everly Brothers, then Rhianna followed by Eminem and then Christina Aguilera was a bit of a mixed bag. But, I started changing my opinion at the very same point as the "Adeles Baby" sketch. Or was it the bread and cakes being thrown around in the name of slapstick? There was way too much unnecessary idiocy going on that spoiled what was an otherwise, entertaining show. Cut it down to 45 minutes, get rid of Harry's OTT silly sketches and you have a workeable format. Harry can still act daft that is fine, but he doesn't need to dominate the show. I switched over to The Voice at 8pm and saw a slick, polished production that was entertaining and baffling in equal measure. I can see why these spinning chairs are popular.

Sorry, I meant more people probably switched on because of the events in France, obviously that wasn't known about when it was decided to place the news at 6.10 while it's usually around 5.20 pm. It's placed at 6.10 pm again next Saturday.

Calm down dear! You'll do yourself a mischief! Twitter generally slates anything thats new. But that said, I wouldn't want anyone to stop saying they dislike anything. I just wish they'd say why!

There's loads of LE shows on right now, but very little which is any good. ITV keeps churning out sh*t as apposed to decent LE shows. So does the BBC.

Well Im sure a few on here might not have expected The Voice to last to a fourth season let alone bring in 8 million in doing so. Very watchable last night and it has helped strangle SITE at birth. If TVUK can manage to be strong for its auditions all the way through it begs the question of whether a star is produced even matters-its certainly not putting off the audience. Im starting to wonder whether, given the lack of DOI and the collapse of Rising Star even before it started, ITV will bid for The Voice next time around. It must be a prospect even if it puts Mr Cowells nose out of joint.

As for the rest, it would look far better if the BBC's roughly 5 millions could be turned into 6. Casualty should be getting better as others have said. It needs a clear and decisive revamp imo-its turned into missable filler over the years. Too many times someone goes off to a computer and solves the worlds problems and provides a number to ring at the end of the programme for anyone who has issues. Fair enough for helping but Casualty has to be more than an elaborate information video.

Now You See It-well it still may well find itself back at 5.30 in a week or two but its fleetingly showed ITV how to do a clip show
In seriousness the clips were mostly poor, and it really is the most throwaway of tv these days.

It doesn't matter what we say here if it gets ratings. I was expecting a clip show with some links inbetween. When they mentioned Dynamo in the press release I thought he'd feature.

I just find clip shows with voiceovers very lazy. At least when they have a presenter linking to clips it feels like some effort goes into it.

Light entertainment is very easy to criticise because by its very nature it is light. Just thesedays people don't need to give it a go as they have much more to do. None of it is appointment to view, because it's light. People aren't going to rearrange their evening to see it. Was 321 really worth 20m or whatever it probably used to get?

Had Twitter been around in the 90s something like Noel's House Party would get slated, they'd be over analysing a 5 minute item and comparing every item to an older one. Plus can you imagine viewers not getting bored with 25 episodes a series these days.

The thing about Twitter is that you can find good and bad comments for shows. It's just a tiny vocal group like these forums. It's just one part of the audience. TV's problem is that they think it represents the whole audience.

What I say is not what matters. I dislike lots of shows that rate well.

Even if the presenter is Richard Hammond ?

Part of ITV's problem is that they've left vast swathes of the schedule to die. Yesterday's whole schedule basically consisted of two programmes, Stars in their Eyes and Take Me Out, then hours and hours of repeats and filler.

It's no surprise that programmes are struggling to be found when they're basically placed into an empty desert.

I don't understand their policy with news. The BBC can see that it gets bums on seats. 6m watched their teatime bulletin. Yet ITV seem determined to put it in the worst slots possible, yesterday at 11.15am, 4.25pm and 11.05pm. It's totally inconsistent too. At Christmas, with bulletins at 6.30, ITV got big audiences and it helped the rest of the schedule.

Yesterday's news:
BBC One
12.00 - 1.95m (23.5%)
6.05 - 5.79m (30.2%), regional: 6.33m (32.2%)
10.10 - 4.62m (23.6%)

ITV
11.15 - 0.26m (3.4%)
4.25 - regional: 1.01m (7.4%), national: 1.47m (10.1%)
11.05 - 2.07m (14.0%)

They need to put more effort into other parts of the schedule too, because at the moment it doesn't feel like a coherent channel. Too much filler, especially at weekends.