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The Ratings Thread (Part 63)
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Glenn A
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by derek500:
“ITV should try and get the Six Nations.

I'm not a great advocate of sports events, which are commercial entities, being paid for by the TVL.

RBS should be paying the BBC to show their massive logo.

More Wolf Hall and its ilk for my TVL.”

I reckon ITV will make a bid, but the contract doesn't expire until 2017 and the earliest they can show the 6 Nations is 2018. Also if the price is right, I can see them trying to get the ECL back as this is a bigger contract.
Pizzatheaction
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“I didn't I was hoping maybe people on here would post them.”

I used to have trouble finding Last of the Summer Wine ratings.
jake lyle
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“I reckon ITV will make a bid, but the contract doesn't expire until 2017 and the earliest they can show the 6 Nations is 2018. Also if the price is right, I can see them trying to get the ECL back as this is a bigger contract.”

With what ? Magic beans? The 6 nations currently costs close to 3m a game. It'll go to at least 4/4.5m a game next time. The BBC are already paying a premium to keep them from SKY/BT. Even as a loss leader it would make zero financial sense for a free to air commercial broadcaster.
Pizzatheaction
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by derek500:
“ITV should try and get the Six Nations.
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I think they'd lose money hand over fist.

ITV could only possibly make it work by cherry-picking certain matches, which doesn't appear to be an option after the England (at home and in Paris) balls up of the late 1990s.
derek500
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“I think it's been agreed in here that, even at the current price of £3m a match, the Six Nations would be a loss-making proposition for ITV.”

That's far too much public money to spend on two hours of TV with no shelf life.

Who were the BBC bidding against to have to pay that amount?
Pizzatheaction
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by derek500:
“That's far too much public money to spend on two hours of TV with no shelf life.

Who were the BBC bidding against to have to pay that amount?”

I think you just want it to be on Sky Sports, Derek. Then you watch it on some obscure device or catch-up service three weeks later, and complain about BARB not measuring your viewing.
hyperstarsponge
07-02-2015
The final of Big Brother may get a good Channel 5+24 audience tonight then.
Chris1964
07-02-2015
The DS Jack Donnelly Atlantis interview is interesting. He is understandably "gutted" at the shows ending and it looks like there will be much unresolved-he was contracted for 5 years(on the basis it lasted that long) so it is very much a bail out that we only get two series. Although at the suggested 1.4 million an episode it was going to do so much better critically as well was ratingswise.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s230/...eries-axe.html

Sad that the whole project has foundered like this.
jsam93
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by kwynne42:
“What's so bad about reviving Robot Wars? it was quite good as long as Craig Charles isn't presenting it.”

What!? Craig Charles is Robot Wars. No point bringing it back if he isn't presenting it.
Rooftopcowboy
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Celebrity Big Brother Live Final: 2.71m (12.3%) inc +1
* peak: 3.16m (14.2%) at 22:00

Out with a whimper in the context of the series, it has to be said.”

Being up against the 6Nations won't have helped Big Brother, but I think the series went on one week too long and that has meant it has lost momentum. A month is too long.

also while the series has been highly controversial, it has lacked the key reality show ingredient of someone going 'on a journey' such as Chantelle going from non-Celeb to Z-list Celeb all those years ago, or Jim Davidson being a highly unlikely winner last year.

Katie Price is a divisive winner who has in my eyes won due to her previous fame and not based on what she did in the house.
derek500
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“I think you just want it to be on Sky Sports, Derek. Then you watch it on some obscure device or catch-up service three weeks later, and complain about BARB not measuring your viewing. ”

Bit harsh. If market forces send it to pay, fine. Just don't believe TVL payers should be paying silly money for sports events.
NeilVW
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Bit harsh. If market forces send it to pay, fine. Just don't believe TVL payers should be paying silly money for sports events.”

A lot of impecunious rugby fans will no doubt disagree with you. I think the BBC value this tournament particularly highly because of the UK nations aspect.
jsam93
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by jake lyle:
“With what ? Magic beans? The 6 nations currently costs close to 3m a game. It'll go to at least 4/4.5m a game next time. The BBC are already paying a premium to keep them from SKY/BT. Even as a loss leader it would make zero financial sense for a free to air commercial broadcaster.”

Exactly this. Not to mention that the vast majority of Six Nations games are played in the afternoon and the general feeling from ITV the past few years is that they want their live sport in primetime.
Dancc
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by Rooftopcowboy:
“Katie Price is a divisive winner who has in my eyes won due to her previous fame and not based on what she did in the house.”

Not as divisive as Hopkins would have been.

I was so relieved when Price's name was announced. The other potential outcome could have been damaging to the show long term IMO.

Having said that I think the only way is down from here anyway. Hopefully it's a gradual decline as opposed to one that is brutally fast.
Glenn A
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“I think they'd lose money hand over fist.

ITV could only possibly make it work by cherry-picking certain matches, which doesn't appear to be an option after the England (at home and in Paris) balls up of the late 1990s.”

I can see the more likely option next time of Sky showing England home games and the BBC showing the away games . Auntie won't want to lose the whole contract, but would settle for a compromise.
Charnham
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by jsam93:
“What!? Craig Charles is Robot Wars. No point bringing it back if he isn't presenting it.”

Channel 5 tried it, and it was dreadful, best leave it alone, not sure who presented in on C5.
ronant
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by derek500:
“ITV should try and get the Six Nations.

I'm not a great advocate of sports events, which are commercial entities, being paid for by the TVL.

RBS should be paying the BBC to show their massive logo.

More Wolf Hall and its ilk for my TVL.”

Well it's as much my TVL as it is yours. And I'm more than happy for the BBC to be spending money on sporting events, including the Six Nations. Not everyone can pay Sky's extortionate fees.
yorkie100
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“I can see the more likely option next time of Sky showing England home games and the BBC showing the away games . Auntie won't want to lose the whole contract, but would settle for a compromise.”

Didn't we have this arrangement some years ago?
Charnham
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDKP...ature=youtu.be

Introducing the brand new Tracy Island. I have to say it does look stunning. A lot of work has gone into this. Let's hope the characters look good in moving picture and better than they did on the still. I still believe this should be leading into ITV's evening line-up. 6:30pm, or even 5.30pm would be a good slot too launch it. It would do miles better than anything else they have. It seems a waste to throw in CITV and the early morning on ITV.”

ive always said the sets look good, its more the character CGI im worried about, going to hard to call this series in advance until we see a full trailer, truth be told, alot of the shots in that video are a work of art.
Charnham
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by ronant:
“Well it's as much my TVL as it is yours. And I'm more than happy for the BBC to be spending money on sporting events, including the Six Nations. Not everyone can pay Sky's extortionate fees.”

I am no friend of sports, but the BBC will not have any sporting events left soon, so wishing any of them to ITV or Sky is counter productive.
JordyD
07-02-2015
Here we go ITV! Lets see again how low you can go!
hyperstarsponge
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by JordyD:
“Here we go ITV! Lets see again how low you can go!”

Zero anyone?
Glenn A
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“I am no friend of sports, but the BBC will not have any sporting events left soon, so wishing any of them to ITV or Sky is counter productive.”

Also ITV's coverage of events like the FA Cup was widely criticised and their sports department in the past, and to a lesser extent now, was notorious for poor camerawork, wooden presentation and poor commentary. I think rugger, being full of traditionalists, would probably opt for the BBC at least covering half the 6 Nations. Also rather like boxing and cricket moving the rugger to satellite would greatly diminish it, which for all I don't bother with, is a healthy sport in ratings terms now.
Charnham
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Also ITV's coverage of events like the FA Cup was widely criticised and their sports department in the past, and to a lesser extent now, was notorious for poor camerawork, wooden presentation and poor commentary. I think rugger, being full of traditionalists, would probably opt for the BBC at least covering half the 6 Nations. Also rather like boxing and cricket moving the rugger to satellite would greatly diminish it, which for all I don't bother with, is a healthy sport in ratings terms now.”

im sure its been discussed on this thread, and in other forums, but when it comes to sport there is a BBC effect, in that the BBC machine can promote a sport till it looks like it matters.

As a non sports fan, if the event does not get the full BBC treatment, chance are ive probably not heard of it.
yorkie100
07-02-2015
Cant really see ITV being able to afford 6 Nations. Unfortunately it was only a matter of time before live sport completely disappeared from terrestrial and the time is coming.
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