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I don't think she should have got to the blind audition stages. I think she auditioned for BGT and didn't make it to the televised stage.
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Agree with all of that. Why do you think ITV are stuck in such a rut right now? Like you say it's not just new shows which are struggling but also basically every returning show is down too, some quite significantly. Foyle's War and Benidorm have been quite a way off their usual numbers and we saw the same in the Autumn with Lewis, Scott & Bailey, Downton Abbey, The X Factor, The Jonathan Ross Show, I'm A Celebrity, Through The Keyhole, The Suspicions of Mr Whicher, Surprise Surprise, For The Love of Dogs, Piers Morgan's Life Stories, Royal Variety and the soaps all posting declines to various extents (some not by much, some by a lot). Meanwhile Chasing Shadows, The Great Fire, Keep it in the Family and Celebrity Squares all flopped (for various reasons admittedly, the dramas were rubbish), Sunday Night at The Palladiummwas a damp squib and whilst Grantchester did reasonably well I had expected a little more. Only Cilla was properly big. The Summer was a total disaster too. Surely it's more than just a coincidence that all of these shows have taken a drop recently? Especially as some of them are pretty lomg running shows.
Other reasons why so many of their shows have been down? Perhaps, because their schedule was so poor in Spring and Summer when they basically had a load of filler (besides the World Cup), it resulted in people not tuning into the channel for long periods of time and that effect is still in play now. Total TV audiences have also been down across the board in the last year (last night total tv audience was down 1.5m vs 2014), maybe BARB's methodology has altered slightly which has effected the numbers for everyone (but is more noticeable for the bigger channels). On weekends, the lack of tea-time support makes it very difficult for the 7pm show which essentially needs to be a self-starter due to lead-ins of 10% or so, where as 5-10 years ago the lead-in from the 6pm slot would've been around 15-20% as they actually used to air new material in that slot back then. The BBC has the News which attracts guaranteed 20%+ shares to the schedule three or four times a day, which can help the shows around it (i.e. Now You've Seen It). ITV News gets a much poorer share, and it's not suddenly going to do much better, so what ITV need is to air some half decent shows in the outskirts of primetime so that there is some kind of half-decent audience going into primetime rather than shares of c10%. What ITV really need from this year is a couple of new formats coming through (whether they are LE, factual or relatively cheap drama) which get reliable numbers without needing much hype/fanfare/press coverage and can air at least 13 hours per year, returning year after year. Broadchurch is a great show but it airs 8 hours in total every 2 years, that's it. Having a show which can get even just 4m for about 15 hours would do them the world of good and is just as important. They have a serious lack of these kind of shows in the schedules right now. The emergence of Countryfile for BBC1 is one of the best things to have happened to them in the last 5 years as it has helped turned around their Sundays, as they know it is a guaranteed 5m+ week after week which has a positive impact on what else follows it. ITV needs something like that on one of its nights - I'm not saying a rip-off of Countryfile because those kind of shows don't seem to work for them anyway. But a show with the same kind of values of being able to return week after week and doesn't need to have any hype or press coverage - easier said than done, I know! |
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Harry Hill is just a flop. People don't like him. He got lucky with the format of TV Burps but that would have easily been a hit with another Presenter. Everything else he has attempted has failed. TV bosses need to realise this.
think you raise a really valid point done correctly it could be a hit no matter who the presenter is. His flops really are mounting up now his humour is dated and what's forward thinking about bringing back the TV Burp crew when he said he never wants to do Burp again? Stuffed Dog/ Brian Belo, Creepy Dummy just need the nuns and "heather"
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Sorry, I meant more people probably switched on because of the events in France, obviously that wasn't known about when it was decided to place the news at 6.10 while it's usually around 5.20 pm. It's placed at 6.10 pm again next Saturday.
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Pointless Celebrities: 4.35m (25.5%)
BBC News: 5.79m (30.2%) BBC Regional News: 6.33m (32.2%) Now You See It: 5.01m (25.3%) The Voice UK: 8.09m (35.9%) Lottery: 4.87m (22.7%) Casualty: 4.97m (23.5%) BBC News: 4.62m (23.6%) Match of the Day: 3.46m (24.2%) ITV's news bulletins were around half-four and after eleven so the primetime schedule could not benefit from the increased appetite for news. |
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Does anyone know what Spiral got on BBC Four last night? Thanks
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Apologies for getting the wrong end of the stick.
![]() Strong early-evening news ratings, in a later slot as mentioned by ftv, which seemed to set the evening up. ITV had Mamma Mia! running right up to seven o'clock which probably bombed and gave BBC One a helping hand. Any word on that one? ITV's news bulletins were around half-past four and after eleven so they did not really benefit from the increased appetite for news. |
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People on this thread need to remember that, for ITV, the bottom line is not "viewing figures" but "balance sheet". Ok, higher viewing figures will make a programme more profitable but it's not the only way for ITV to make profit.
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it begs the question of whether a star is produced even matters-
The only reason it's an issue that TVUK 'doesn't find stars' (which is debatable when Becky Hill has had as many number one singles as seven of the 11 X Factor winners, but anyway) is that Jessie J etc banged on about it in the promo for the first series. If they hadn't gone around claiming they'd do something before there was any evidence that they would then it would just be seen as it is - a fun, slick, professional and positive Saturday night TV show. They made a rod for their own back. |
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Part of ITV's problem is that they've left vast swathes of the schedule to die. Yesterday's whole schedule basically consisted of two programmes, Stars in their Eyes and Take Me Out, then hours and hours of repeats and filler.
It's no surprise that programmes are struggling to be found when they're basically placed into an empty desert. |
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Mamma Mia! - 2.08m 11.7%. News ratings are on the previos page if you're interested.
Thanks also for news ratings which I saw after I posted.
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[CODE} BBC ITV
1830 4.87 2.75 1845 5.16 2.71 1900 6.48 3.50 1915 7.39 3.68 1930 8.02 3.53 1945 8.39 2.91 2000 8.89 2.50 2015 9.12 2.61 2030 5.44 3.18 2045 4.69 3.63 2100 5.03 3.66 2115 5.15 2.38 [/code] ITV Exc +1 Awful for SITE - it's exc +1 average was 3.40m, less than its first 15 minutes. It should have built to 4m at least so I'd guess they actually lost a good number of viewers across the hour. There doesn't seem to have been much appetite for it in the first place though which is not a good sign because there can't be many better nights of the year to launch than the first weekend back at work when its miserable outside. ITV must be longing for the days of Splash 2013! The Voice looks to have capitalised on that and a strong BBC schedule anchored by the news bulletins. It's a few hundred thousand higher than I'd have thought. It's probably downhill for both shows from here but I suspect SITE will plunge faster and it's already dreadfully low. Hopefully it puts ITV off these revivals. |
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ronant - do you have the all-hours and primetime shares please? Thanks.
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[CODE} BBC ITV
1830 4.87 2.75 1845 5.16 2.71 1900 6.48 3.50 1915 7.39 3.68 1930 8.02 3.53 1945 8.39 2.91 2000 8.89 2.50 2015 9.12 2.61 2030 5.44 3.18 2045 4.69 3.63 2100 5.03 3.66 2115 5.15 2.38 [/code] ITV Exc +1 Awful for SITE - it's exc +1 average was 3.40m, less than its first 15 minutes. It should have built to 4m at least so I'd guess they actually lost a good number of viewers across the hour. There doesn't seem to have been much appetite for it in the first place though which is not a good sign because there can't be many better nights of the year to launch than the first weekend back at work when its miserable outside. ITV must be longing for the days of Splash 2013! The Voice looks to have capitalised on that and a strong BBC schedule anchored by the news bulletins. It's a few hundred thousand higher than I'd have thought. It's probably downhill for both shows from here but I suspect SITE will plunge faster and it's already dreadfully low. Hopefully it puts ITV off these revivals. |
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[CODE} BBC ITV
1830 4.87 2.75 1845 5.16 2.71 1900 6.48 3.50 1915 7.39 3.68 1930 8.02 3.53 1945 8.39 2.91 2000 8.89 2.50 2015 9.12 2.61 2030 5.44 3.18 2045 4.69 3.63 2100 5.03 3.66 2115 5.15 2.38 [/code] ITV Exc +1. |
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[CODE} BBC ITV
1830 4.87 2.75 1845 5.16 2.71 1900 6.48 3.50 1915 7.39 3.68 1930 8.02 3.53 1945 8.39 2.91 2000 8.89 2.50 2015 9.12 2.61 2030 5.44 3.18 2045 4.69 3.63 2100 5.03 3.66 2115 5.15 2.38 [/code] ITV Exc +1 Awful for SITE - it's exc +1 average was 3.40m, less than its first 15 minutes. It should have built to 4m at least so I'd guess they actually lost a good number of viewers across the hour. There doesn't seem to have been much appetite for it in the first place though which is not a good sign because there can't be many better nights of the year to launch than the first weekend back at work when its miserable outside. ITV must be longing for the days of Splash 2013! The Voice looks to have capitalised on that and a strong BBC schedule anchored by the news bulletins. It's a few hundred thousand higher than I'd have thought. It's probably downhill for both shows from here but I suspect SITE will plunge faster and it's already dreadfully low. Hopefully it puts ITV off these revivals. ![]() Makes SITE look even worse. It didn't start well but didn't really build either and what was with the drop at 7.45pm? Next week will be painful! Forget Splash 2013, they'd probably take Splash 2014 right now! At least that stayed in the high 3s across the run and more importantly they got 90 minutes per week out of it, so it meant Take Me Out didn't have to overlap with The Voice. TMO did dreadfully in the first half hour before perking up. It got 426k on +1 too, so my guess is that with an 8.30pm start it would have averaged 4m with +1. It's actually quite a better performance than last week for it. Great breakdown for The Voice. It built well throughout to hit a great peak. It boosted the shows around it too. Win Your Wish List was nearly a million up on last week and Now You See It launched really well. Wonder what ITV will do going forwards. They'll soon have Planet's Got Talent at 6.30pm and Jonathan Ross at 9.20pm too. Ideally they'd have All Star Family Fortunes at 7.30pm against The Voice, with Stars at 6.30pm and TMO at 8.30pm, but they can't as ASFF is on Sundays. Next year they'll have Beowulf so in theory should be stronger, but that's a long way off yet and there are 5 more episodes of SITE yet before Takeaway comes back. |
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I agree that this is a major problem. Though I cant quite see why it has happened. Can anybody?
But I don't think they make much money in weekend daytime away from sport, which they have little of. Hence they don't make an effort. |
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The Voice UK series premiere watched by 8 million on BBC One
The new series of BBC One's The Voice UK opened to more than 8 million viewers last night (January 10), according to overnight figures. The first episode of blind auditions - which featured singers including Hannah Symons and Stevie McCrorie - earned 8.05m (35.9%) from 7pm. The National Lottery: Win Your Wish List followed with 4.87m (22.7%), and Casualty treated 4.97m (23.5%) from 9.20pm. On BBC Two, a Dad's Army repeat garnered 2.28m (10.6%) from 8.30pm before Britain's Tudor Treasure: A Night at Hampton Court appealed to 1.75m (8.2%). ITV's Harry Hill's Stars in Their Eyes premiered to 3.41m (15.3%) from 7pm, with Take Me Out entertaining 3.18m (14.5%) afterwards (+1: 426k/2%). An airing of James Bond film Skyfall drew 2.4m (11.9%) from 9.20pm. On Channel 4, Tsunami: 10 Years On was watched by 781k (3.5%) in the 8pm hour. Cameron Diaz movie Bad Teacher notched 1.07m (5.2%) later on. Over on Channel 5, 2.05m (10.6%) tuned in from 10pm to see Jeremy Jackson exit Celebrity Big Brother. ITV3's Midsomer Murders topped the multichannels, with 1.10m (5.1%) from 8pm. |
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ronant - do you have the all-hours and primetime shares please? Thanks.
BBC1 - 23.9% BBC2 - 6.3% ITV - 10.3% C4 - 4.4% C5 - 4.0% Peaktime (7-10.30pm) BBC1 - 29.2% BBC2 - 7.6% ITV - 15.1% C4 - 4.5% C5 - 3.7% Figures include +1 where applicable. |
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Thanks for the breakdown.
![]() Makes SITE look even worse. It didn't start well but didn't really build either and what was with the drop at 7.45pm? Next week will be painful! Forget Splash 2013, they'd probably take Splash 2014 right now! At least that stayed in the high 3s across the run and more importantly they got 90 minutes per week out of it, so it meant Take Me Out didn't have to overlap with The Voice. TMO did dreadfully in the first half hour before perking up. It got 426k on +1 too, so my guess is that with an 8.30pm start it would have averaged 4m with +1. It's actually quite a better performance than last week for it. Great breakdown for The Voice. It built well throughout to hit a great peak. It boosted the shows around it too. Win Your Wish List was nearly a million up on last week and Now You See It launched really well. Wonder what ITV will do going forwards. They'll soon have Planet's Got Talent at 6.30pm and Jonathan Ross at 9.20pm too. Ideally they'd have All Star Family Fortunes at 7.30pm against The Voice, with Stars at 6.30pm and TMO at 8.30pm, but they can't as ASFF is on Sundays. Next year they'll have Beowulf so in theory should be stronger, but that's a long way off yet and there are 5 more episodes of SITE yet before Takeaway comes back. With Light Entertainment I'm not sure why they don't reverse their normal method and make civilian versions of both Family Fortunes and Mr. and Mrs. I think they would at least hold there own; better than 'cold' revamps which haven't seen the light of day for a decade or so anyway. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ How will Call the Midwife do on it's return? Will Broadchurch, The Voice and Stars in Their Eyes see increases, falls or steadiness for their second episodes? Will Ipswich v Southampton be a match of the day for BBC One? How will Suspects do for it's series premiere? Will Get Your Act Together help ITV do just that? Why not make your predictions on the DS Ratings Prediction Game? Just click HERE, hit the reply, delete the quote marks and get predicting! Thank you to all those in advance who take part and good luck!
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No wonder TVUK viewers grew. People were leaving SITE throughout the duration of the programme
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iaindb said it earlier in the thread - they're there to primarily make money, not claim big figures. Obviously big figures help but they're not going to throw everything at them unless they really have to. When I heard about the family dramas it took me by surprise slightly as it seemed like a big risk for potentially little reward (see Primeval and Demons); maybe they are looking to boost primetime slightly.
But I don't think they make much money in weekend daytime away from sport, which they have little of. Hence they don't make an effort. |
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Get Your Act Together is replacing All Star Family Fortunes next week so arguably they could move Family Fortunes to Saturday night - as long as they have some in the can. Take Me Out is a funny one; on paper it makes sense to start it at 8.30pm but is that too late for a young skewing show? It increased this week despite being against the back end of The Voice despite having much weaker opposition last week.
With Light Entertainment I'm not sure why they don't reverse their normal method and make civilian versions of both Family Fortunes and Mr. and Mrs. I think they would at least hold there own; better than 'cold' revamps which haven't seen the light of day for a decade or so anyway. |
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Makes SITE look even worse. It didn't start well but didn't really build either and what was with the drop at 7.45pm? Next week will be painful!
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Wonder what ITV will do going forwards. They'll soon have Planet's Got Talent at 6.30pm and Jonathan Ross at 9.20pm too. Ideally they'd have All Star Family Fortunes at 7.30pm against The Voice, with Stars at 6.30pm and TMO at 8.30pm, but they can't as ASFF is on Sundays.
I think they might as well air a repeat of Celebrity Chase at 7.30pm, I honestly can't see it rating any worse than how Stars In Their Eyes will be rating from next week onwards. It'd also be more likely to attract a counter audience to The Voice UK by appealing to older viewers. Something like the following would probably increase their share between 6-11pm with no or minimal added cost:18:00- Planet's Got Talent 18:30- Stars In Their Eyes 19:30- Celebrity Chase (rpt) 20:30-Take Me Out 21:45- Jonathan Ross Show It wouldn't be ideal having a repeat of a show on Saturday primetime, but we've seen BBC1 do it with Pointless Celebrities before, and it hasn't made a difference to the numbers. |
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But what you say has presumably been the case for years and yet it seems that this year we have had more primetime repeats and more filler throughout the schedule or am I just wrong on that?
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Thanks for the breakdown.
![]() Makes SITE look even worse. It didn't start well but didn't really build either and what was with the drop at 7.45pm? Next week will be painful! |
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