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The Ratings Thread (Part 63)
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Markynotts
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by AnthonyC:
“There we have it. The great gods (and the BBC) do see a +1 service as a separate channel. End of discussion. Oh wait... ”

Are you mad ! It's one of the topics in here not to discuss - Death, Taxes, Religion, Money and the plus 1 debate .............. all to be avoided for a safe happy life of peace tranquility and copious amounts of
yorkie100
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by ronant:
“This is a pretty dangerous opinion if you ask me. The BBC does well, has a strong schedule and instead of congratulating them on doing a good job they're the 'big elephant' stamping on the competition. The next thing is people will say the BBC is too big and too powerful, the license fee is shrunk and we get crap not only on ITV but BBC1 too.

The reason for ITV's current poor ratings are all to do with decisions they've made themselves - poor commissions, poor programmes, poor scheduling. Nothing to do with the BBC. Proportionately, the BBC is smaller now than it's ever been.”

Well said.
cylon6
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Saying that, all the major networks are commercial entities looking for a slice of a pie for financial reasons rather than a PSB network which has a guaranteed income.

I know my views are not every popular on here and, as I said before, it would look very different if ITV bothered to show up against BBC One's big shows rather than lie down against them. Before anyone says anything, I wouldn't say Broadchurch v Silent Witness is a case of 'showing up'; it was very obvious Broadchurch was going to take the slot very early on - it's not as though ITV elected to become competitive with Silent Witness.

My personal belief (I hope I don't fall out with anyone else over this) is that BBC One is becoming more and more like a commercial broadcaster without the adverts. Arguably the fragmenting audience and ITV's rapid decline from 2013 is aiding this view but I feel the BBC should be there to compliment commercial networks and err to sometimes air shows, perhaps in primetime, that commercial networks simply cannot afford to do rather than looking to go toe to toe, it feels like all the time.q 1

I'll shut up for now. ”

If the BBC keeps putting on shows nobody watches then you get a lot of disgruntled people saying they don't want to pay a licence fee for a channel they don't watch.

People forget that there are lots of times BBC1 compliment ITV. Frozen Planet opposite I'm A Celebrity, comedy hours on Mondays at 9pm in January 2012 and 2013 against drama on ITV, drama against Downton. It only appears to be a problem when ITV don't win the match ups.

There are times when ITV and BBC1 don't bother and let each other get some glory. When ITV were stronger the competition wasn't a problem as they beat everything. Sundays are a perfect example where BBC1 provided a drama alternative to Wild At Heart/Dancing On Ice which suddenly out of nowhere became popular. Everybody needs to try harder.
cylon6
20-01-2015
From Elgin.
Originally Posted by Elgin:
“Digiguide update heading your way...

Saturday 31st

BBC1

6:10 - BBC News & Weather
6:30 - Now You See It
7 - The Voice
8:30 - Win Your Wish List
9:20 - Casualty
10:10 - BBC News & Weather
10:30 - Match Of The Day

ITV

6:30 - Planets Got Talent
7 - Stars In Their Eyes
8:05 - Take Me Out
9:20 - Jonathan Ross
10:15 - ITV News & Weather
10:30 - Film: The Shawshank Redemption

The Secret World Of Lewis Carroll is at 9:30 on BBC2.

Sunday 1st

Perspectives returns at 10:15 on ITV.

Monday 2nd

Dave Myers' Egypt is at 9 on BBC2.
10,000 BC starts at 10 on Five, continuing Tuesday.

Tuesday 3rd

Inside The Commons is at 9 on BBC2, followed by Rory Bremner's Coalition Report at 10.

Wednesday 4th

FA Cup replay at 7:30 on BBC1.

Thursday 5th

The Great British Sewing Bee returns at 8 on BBC2, followed by Warwick Davis' Big Night at 9.
Car Crash Britain is at 9 on ITV.

Friday 6th

Six Nations: Wales vs England is at 7:30 on BBC1 - usual line-up postponed. Build-up begins at 7 on BBC2.
Rhod Gilbert vs Kilimanjaro is at 10 on BBC2.”

ronant
20-01-2015
A few BBC1 schedule updates for the week from 31st January:
Sunday 6-7pm - Animals in Love (http://www.twofour.co.uk/news/osf-pr...t-for-bbc-one/)
Monday 10.45-11.30pm - Football Focus (Deadline Day). Can't see the Waterloo Road repeat at all, it is on BBC3 though.
Wednesday 7.30-10pm - FA Cup Fourth Round Replay
Thursday 8-9pm - Eat Well for Less continues.
Friday 7.30-10pm - 6 Nations: Wales v England.

ITV
Thursday 9-10pm - Car Crash Britain
No other changes - the shocking weekend schedule is still as you were.
jlp95bwfc
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by burbe:
“It's airing equally big episodes both yesterday and last year, imo. I don't think Hayley's death was that much of a bigger storyline. But it's pretty much on the same down 1m trend it's been on for a while, so although it's a really good figure by the last couple of months, it's nothing to really shout home about for their massive storyline which they're hoping will bring back viewers.”

I have to disagree with that statement. Hayley's death was built up to for months. It spelt the end of one of Corrie's iconic couples and the death of a much loved character. Her absence is still being felt on the street and there have been storylines involving Roy which have followed that up. Hayley's death is a storyline that will still be remembered in 10 years time. The minibus crash was an excelllent stunt and provided great drama imo but you can't say the same about that. It was never going to match the ratings Hayley's death got and wouldn't have even if Corrie was still in the same state as it was a year ago.
Fudd
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“If the BBC keeps putting on shows nobody watches then you get a lot of disgruntled people saying they don't want to pay a licence fee for a channel they don't watch.

People forget that there are lots of times BBC1 compliment ITV. Frozen Planet opposite I'm A Celebrity, comedy hours on Mondays at 9pm in January 2012 and 2013 against drama on ITV, drama against Downton. It only appears to be a problem when ITV don't win the match ups.

There are times when ITV and BBC1 don't bother and let each other get some glory. When ITV were stronger the competition wasn't a problem as they beat everything. Sundays are a perfect example where BBC1 provided a drama alternative to Wild At Heart/Dancing On Ice which suddenly out of nowhere became popular. Everybody needs to try harder.”

That's true - Call the Midwife on paper just followed the Lark Rise to Candleford/Cranford route of 'period' (in a sense) drama which had a record of holding up well opposite Dancing on Ice/Wild at Heart without overly threatening it and it instead completely took off. I don't think the BBC expected it to be the hit it is.

But I never said and never will say the BBC should air programming that nobody wants to watch. That would be lethal for the license fee. And yes, sometimes they do compliment but could they do more? I think yes, others think no. That's fair enough.

I don't think I've posted a '' in the thread for a while so...
ftv
20-01-2015
Filming on Coronation Street was cancelled today following the death of Anne Kirkbride - BBC News
Fudd
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by ronant:
“ITV
Thursday 9-10pm - Car Crash Britain
No other changes - the shocking weekend schedule is still as you were.”

Can I join Robbie in congratulating the people who name ITV shows? Some of them have been superb in predicting a flop. This appears to be the next.... it'll probably crash.
mlt11
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by rzt:
“I agree with others that ITV aren't investing enough money into their schedules. The annual programming budget for ITV1 is £800m compared to £1.02m BBC One has (BBC1's budget will get a £30m drama boost too once BBC3 gets the axe). The difference is way too much and it's really clear to see in the schedules when you look at them. The annual profits ITV makes are excellent - over £400m pre-tax profit for 2013. But they have to get the balance right between profits and the quality of their schedules, otherwise in the long-term their profits will start taking a hit once the few hit shows they have start declining.

I don't see why they couldn't increase the programming budget by say £100m. Yes it would probably decrease profits by about £50m or so (and yet they'd still make a healthy profit of £300m+ for the shareholders). That kind of extra investment really would help give them the ability to compete more and would be the equivalent of an extra 140 hours of drama or many hours of sport or high quality entertainment, the kind of programming which tend to generate higher ratings than cheaper filler and factual. ITV are coming towards the end of their '5 Year Transformation Plan', the aim of which was to increase profits and increase number of shows sold abroad which they own the rights to (which they kind of have achieved on both counts). But it's coming to the stage now where they need to shift strategy and reinvest into the schedules once again by increasing the budgets, otherwise it really will be too little too late if they leave things as they are and let things slide for another 2-3 years.”

Originally Posted by rzt:
“I just don't understand why ITV don't reinvest some of their profits into their programming budget. If they were losing money or making annual profits of under £50m, for example, then obviously I'd understand why they wouldn't want to reinvest it into increasing the programming budget. But their annual pre-tax profit for 2014 was £435m! It's not like they're a company who are on the verge of going bust or anything like that. There's plenty of leeway there for them to invest more into their schdule, even if it means accepting a slight dent in how much profit they make. But if it means it will help in terms of the long-term, which it would, I really don't see why they don't consider doing it. I just find it quite strange - even an extra £50m invested could result in 75 hours more drama per year - an extra 1.5hours of drama per week - would would help bolster the schedules.”

Surely the key question is whether (and if so, when) are the falling ratings ITV has been experiencing going to have a knock-on effect on advertising revenues.

The final 2014 results aren't out yet but indications are that profits rose significantly despite the ratings falls. Essentially what has been happening up to now is that they are controlling costs very tightly and whilst ratings have fallen advertising revenues haven't really been affected. The result has been rising profits.

But how long will this carry on for?

Losing share to the BBC doesn't really matter in the sense that they are not taking away any advertising revenue. So what matters is ITV's share relative to other commercial broadcasters. But even here, ITV has so far "got away with it" - its share of commercial impacts has been falling but it's share of advertising revenues has still been rising - for various reasons which we have discussed before.

So what happens next? The posts about C5 losing advertising contracts suggest that ITV is continuing to "defy gravity" - losing audience share but still maintaining (and indeed growing) advertising revenues.

If ITV can continue to do this, they have little incentive to boost programming spend. But can they continue to do it?
AnthonyC
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by Markynotts:
“Are you mad ! It's one of the topics in here not to discuss - Death, Taxes, Religion, Money and the plus 1 debate .............. all to be avoided for a safe happy life of peace tranquility and copious amounts of ”

Can we add 'Default Audiences' to that list too?
Dancc
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“Surely the key question is whether (and if so, when) are the falling ratings ITV's has been experiencing going to have a knock-on effect on advertising revenues.

The final 2014 results aren't out yet but indications are that profits rose significantly despite the ratings falls. Essentially what has been happening up to now is that they are controlling costs very tightly and whilst ratings have fallen advertising revenues haven't really been affected. The result has been rising profits.

But how long will this carry on for?

Losing share to the BBC doesn't really matter in the sense that they are not taking away any advertising revenue. So what matters is ITV's share relative to other commercial broadcasters. But even here, ITV has so far "got away with it" - its share of commercial impacts has been falling but it's shtre of advertising revenues has been rising - for various reasons which we have discussed before.

So what happens next? The posts about C5 losing advertising contracts suggest that ITV is continuing to "defy gravity" - losing audience share but still maintaining (and indeed growing) advertising revenues.

If ITV can continue to do this, they have little incentive to boost programming spend. But can they continue to do it?”

Yes, that is very much my feeling on the subject as well.

ITV is essentially getting away with its poor performance currently. And whilst that remains the case, no harm is done and there's no reason for them to invest.
jlp95bwfc
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by ftv:
“Filming on Coronation Street was cancelled today following the death of Anne Kirkbride - BBC News”

Yes, William Roache said on This Morning that the cast and crew all turned up and wanted to film, but it quickly became clear that they were unable to, so ITV stepped them down for the day and cancelled filming.

Those speculating about Stuart Blackburn's silence, he appeared on ITV Granada Reports this evening so is still at Corrie. I suspect we hadn't heard from him previously as I don't believe he is on Twitter and Corrie probably felt that the EP Kieran Roberts was the right person to release a statement on behalf of the show.
Fudd
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“Surely the key question is whether (and if so, when) are the falling ratings ITV has been experiencing going to have a knock-on effect on advertising revenues.

The final 2014 results aren't out yet but indications are that profits rose significantly despite the ratings falls. Essentially what has been happening up to now is that they are controlling costs very tightly and whilst ratings have fallen advertising revenues haven't really been affected. The result has been rising profits.

But how long will this carry on for?

Losing share to the BBC doesn't really matter in the sense that they are not taking away any advertising revenue. So what matters is ITV's share relative to other commercial broadcasters. But even here, ITV has so far "got away with it" - its share of commercial impacts has been falling but it's share of advertising revenues has still been rising - for various reasons which we have discussed before.

So what happens next? The posts about C5 losing advertising contracts suggest that ITV is continuing to "defy gravity" - losing audience share but still maintaining (and indeed growing) advertising revenues.

If ITV can continue to do this, they have little incentive to boost programming spend. But can they continue to do it?”

It defies logic. How are they managing to lose audience share but grow advertising revenues? If it wasn't for them managing to sign up contracts I would say it's their Studio work which is bringing in the money (especially as they're buying up quite a few independent studios) and advertising revenue is actually declining.

EDIT: Just seen you said as 'discussed before' - I must have missed that.
mlt11
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“It defies logic. How are they managing to lose audience share but grow advertising revenues? If it wasn't for them managing to sign up contracts I would say it's their Studio work which is bringing in the money (especially as they're buying up quite a few independent studios) and advertising revenue is actually declining.

EDIT: Just seen you said as 'discussed before' - I must have missed that. ”

It's nothing to do with Studios - they are reported separately - they are doing well but that's a separate issue.

rzt will explain better than me but there are various reasons why share of commercial impacts (essentially share of commercial viewing, ie non BBC) can fall and yet share of advertising revenue can rise - eg changes in demographics, you perform relatively best where it most matters etc.

Anyway, hopefully rzt will be along soon to give us his thoughts.
hyperstarsponge
20-01-2015
Advertising revenues now come from making TV as cheap as possible and fill it with adverts.
JordyD
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by hyperstarsponge:
“Advertising revenues now come from making TV as cheap as possible and fill it with adverts.”

That's why YBF is on soo much.
Jaycee Dove
20-01-2015
Mrs Mardle from Mr Selfridge was on This Morning today and said next year, series 4, is being written as the last as it will basically tie up the story.

Given that it is in essence a true story that was inevitable.

Spoiler
In series 4 Mr Selfridge will become virtually a pauper and lose Selfridges and ends up standing outside the door every day not being allowed in to the shop by the staff. As a final rebuff they take the apostrophe off the name outside so it is no longer Selfridge's store even in name.


Though that is real life history (and I knew most of it) talk about spoilers - a year and a whole series in advance is going some.
RobbieSykes123
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Can I join Robbie in congratulating the people who name ITV shows? Some of them have been superb in predicting a flop. This appears to be the next.... it'll probably crash.”

My thoughts entirely!

Though they have steered it away from Tuesday so they must have high hopes for this tv masterpiece!
Roscoe Barnes
20-01-2015
Nice result for Corrie to reach an 11-month high last night with the mini-bus crash. Many predicted it wouldn't see any uplift but both episodes were rock solid on 8.7m (almost 9m with +1). I was hoping for a boost but was a little unsure as to how it's been rating recently - but viewers came back for the big crash. The question now of course is, can it hold on to some of those viewers?! Some difficult days ahead with tomorrow's episode annoyingly at 7PM due to the NTA's and the Friday double-bill up against the footie.

As for BC - that number must be lower than they were hoping for and far from ideal to be losing out to SW. We really need to see a breakdown of the two to get a better picture and hopefully we see some officials tomorrow for last Monday's battle to get an idea of the truer picture. After all - didn't someone say once that overnight ratings are increasingly irrelevant anyway!?
Chris1964
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by henry_hope:
“Also worried about a second season of Happy Valley,because the decline in standard of Broadchurch 2 has made viewers now question the value of Broadchurch 1 on many sites, and i wouldnt want that to happen to Happy Valley.”

Well I haven't actually watched Broadchurch 2 yet, but I think its biggest handicap is that it can never be Broadchurch 1. People are deserting it because they have sat down and expected to be spellbound in exactly the same way as they were before-witness the startling 1st consolidated figure. However they are not getting the same fix as before and are drifting. Happy Valley might just have the same problem-because it cant easily deliver the same again however they elaborate on the characters personal lives.
Rob1985
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by Roscoe Barnes:
“Nice result for Corrie to reach an 11-month high last night with the mini-bus crash. Many predicted it wouldn't see any uplift but both episodes were rock solid on 8.7m (almost 9m with +1).”

Should therefore be over 10m consolidated, overtaking EE as the highest rated soap episode this year, so far....
Roscoe Barnes
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by Rob1985:
“Should therefore be over 10m consolidated, overtaking EE as the highest rated soap episode this year, so far....”

Yep, both episodes should consolidate to approx. 10m hopefully.
cylon6
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by Roscoe Barnes:
“Nice result for Corrie to reach an 11-month high last night with the mini-bus crash. Many predicted it wouldn't see any uplift but both episodes were rock solid on 8.7m (almost 9m with +1). I was hoping for a boost but was a little unsure as to how it's been rating recently - but viewers came back for the big crash. The question now of course is, can it hold on to some of those viewers?! Some difficult days ahead with tomorrow's episode annoyingly at 7PM due to the NTA's and the Friday double-bill up against the footie.

As for BC - that number must be lower than they were hoping for and far from ideal to be losing out to SW. We really need to see a breakdown of the two to get a better picture and hopefully we see some officials tomorrow for last Monday's battle to get an idea of the truer picture. After all - didn't someone say once that overnight ratings are increasingly irrelevant anyway!? ”

That Corrie rating is also some much needed good news for ITV. I'm glad it did well for them. Broadchurch timeshifts a lot anyway. The question is how to commercial networks maximize ad revenue when we are turning into a national of timeshifters?
Roscoe Barnes
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“That Corrie rating is also some much needed good news for ITV. I'm glad it did well for them. Broadchurch timeshifts a lot anyway. The question is how to commercial networks maximize ad revenue when we are turning into a national of timeshifters?”

Yeah I'm glad it did well too. If it didn't see any uplift it would have been a very disappointing result. Luckily nearly 9m tuned in.

Yeah, the live numbers are very poor these days. Watching on timeshift is the modern way to watch television these days.
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