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Terrible there for Eastenders.
Looks like the scheduling of the Murray matches is against Eastenders rather than Corrie this week. Does he play again tomorrow, is it an afternoon or tea-time start ? |
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Terrible there for Eastenders.
Looks like the scheduling of the Murray matches is against Eastenders rather than Corrie this week. Does he play again tomorrow, is it an afternoon or tea-time start ? |
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FOX did this with American Idol this year and it really caused problems. I think a show like DOI (or X Factor) needs the freedom of a weekend schedule so as it can be scheduled for the right amount of time every week.
I think people would prefer to watch it "live" or as close to "live" as they can rather than waiting almost 2 months. Also, I think they would have major issues with talent show overkill. Compared to BGT, AGT is very very poor. |
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All moving Dancing on Ice to Tuesday does is move the ratings from Sunday. Might fix Tuesday's woes, but it'll cause a headache on Sundays instead.
ITV simply haven't got the strength in depth to fill the 8pm slots once The Bill is gone - really long before it's planned switch to 9pm they should have been testing the water with a few midweek pilot series, but there's been nothing so far. I think on Tuesdays they'll admit defeat and air the usual lifestyle crap, but on Thursdays how about moving The Krypton Factor to 8pm, when it returns, and partnering it with something at 8.30pm. You see, remember EastEnders and Holby City air on Tuesday nights, two very stable shows that will pull in viewers and win slots. They've been there for years. And that second half hour of Emmerdale is wasted really. Dancing on Ice will put an end to that, albeit temporarily for Holby, for 13 weeks. Even if Dancing on Ice wins its slot with 6-7 million viewers, I think it'll be considered a success. It will kick-start ITV's new Tuesday/Thursday strategy. Sunday nights however don't have EastEnders or any brilliantly performing stable BBC1 programming as yet. They've made a good attempt, but nothing substantial. Plus, ITV have a bigger slate ready for that night, if the soaps were moved back to Sunday at 7-8pm. Also, they have numerous options for 8pm-10pm, which includes The Royal, Heartbeat and Wild at Heart, which with a soap lead in, could do very well. Also, Lewis, Agatha Christie, Foyle's War, and lots more 2 hour drama opportunities. The good thing is, Emmerdale and Coronation Street suit Sunday nights, as they're both easy watching. I don't think viewers want big entertainment shows on Sunday nights, and instead would prefer traditional storytelling. Here's the difference in predicted share points (I've been pessimistic but realistic):- THE CURRENT SYSTEM Sunday nights - 30% primetime share 7:00pm Dancing on Ice - 37% 8:30pm Wild at Heart - 30% 9:30pm Dancing on Ice: The Skate-Off - 33% 10:00pm News, Weather - 24% 10:15pm Film - 14% Tuesday nights - 16% primetime share 7:00pm Emmerdale - 30% 8:00pm Survival with Ray Mears - 12% 9:00pm Ladette to Lady - 11% 10:00pm News at Ten - 10% 10:35pm blah blah blah - 9% Thursday nights - 18% primetime share 7:00pm Emmerdale - 32% 7:30pm Countrylife - 18% 8:00pm World's Stupidest Diet or whatever - 13% 9:00pm Trial & Retribution - 22% 10:00pm News at Ten - 15% 10:35pm blah blah blah - 10% THE NEW PROPOSED SYSTEM Sunday nights - 25% primetime share 7:00pm Emmerdale - 30% 7:30pm Coronation Street - 39% 8:00pm The Royal - 25% 9:00pm Kingdom - 25% 10:00pm News at Ten - 18% 10:15pm Regional News 10:30pm The South Bank Show - 8% Tuesday nights - 23% primetime share 7:00pm Emmerdale - 33% 7:30pm House Guest - 17% 8:00pm Dancing on Ice - 34% 9:00pm Wish You Were Here - 21% 10:00pm News at Ten - 14% 10:30pm London Tonight - 12% 10:45pm Tarrant on TV - 13% Thursday nights - 25% primetime share 7:00pm Emmerdale - 34% 7:30pm Play Your Cards Right (R) - 17% 8:00pm Dancing on Ice: The Skate-Off - 32% 9:00pm Piers Morgan's Life Stories - 27% 10:00pm News at Ten - 17% 10:30pm London Tonight - 14% 10:45pm Soccer Night or something - 11% My idea ensures the long term stability of Emmerdale and ITV's drama, sacrificing Dancing on Ice, which I think isn't as valuable, but could still do a good job on weekdays, marking a point of arrival for more of the same. Also, Dancing on Ice won't go stale. NB: The Krypton Factor seemed very squeezed in its half an hour slot, perhaps it would be better stretched into an hours format, from 8pm-9pm when Dancing on Ice finishes on Tuesday or Thursday nights. |
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- Primeval (12 weeks) from January-March getting 5-6 million viewers - Tomorrow People (6 weeks) in late Summer, early Autumn, probably getting around 4 million viewers with room to grow. Quote:
I think on Tuesdays they'll admit defeat and air the usual lifestyle crap, but on Thursdays how about moving The Krypton Factor to 8pm, when it returns, and partnering it with something at 8.30pm. Blind Date? Bullseye? The Golden Shot? 3-2-1? 3-2-1 would require a hour long slot but the others could be fitted into 30 minutes. 3-2-1 was part quiz show, part variety show. Each show would have a theme. So to ensure decent ratings the new series could have such themes as: X Factor; Britain's Got Talent; Dancing On Ice; I'm A Celebrity; Coronation Street; Emmerdale..... Well, you get the idea with that. |
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PLEASE. No more schedules suggesting Dancing On Ice on a Tuesday please PJ - we get one every week!!!
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PLEASE. No more schedules suggesting Dancing On Ice on a Tuesday please PJ - we get one every week!!!
I'd actually move the main DOI show back to Saturday nights and extend the skate-off to an hour long edition on Sundays. I reckon that'd work out a lot better. |
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Why do you keep posting all these fantasy schedules with shows that don't exist!?
No matter how many times you post them, the actual shows and schedules won't actually exist. They must take you a while to write and I just don't understand why. |
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Why do you keep posting all these fantasy schedules with shows that don't exist!?
No matter how many times you post them, the actual shows and schedules won't actually exist. They must take you a while to write and I just don't understand why. |
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PLEASE. No more schedules suggesting Dancing On Ice on a Tuesday please PJ - we get one every week!!!
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I agree and I don't think it'd work.
I'd actually move the main DOI show back to Saturday nights and extend the skate-off to an hour long edition on Sundays. I reckon that'd work out a lot better. I understand how some people may feel that Sunday night should be non-stop drama (it just feels right), but ITV has had loads of LE on Sundays in its past. Guess which day the ratings-smash Sunday Night At The London Palladium went out. Then there was Surprise Surprise, not to mention any number of quiz shows and sitcoms (mostly from LWT whose programmes could only go out Friday, Saturday or Sunday prior to 1991). |
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Why do you keep posting all these fantasy schedules with shows that don't exist!?
No matter how many times you post them, the actual shows and schedules won't actually exist. They must take you a while to write and I just don't understand why. |
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Good news for ITV now that Setanta's closure will give ITV more matches.
They don't get them for free, you know! |
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Why do you keep posting all these fantasy schedules with shows that don't exist!?
No matter how many times you post them, the actual shows and schedules won't actually exist. They must take you a while to write and I just don't understand why. 'ITV didn't do well in a 9pm slot, they would have done, if they followed this schedule, I've detailed out all 365 days below...' The major flaw is that ITV1 doesn't broadcast on it's own, a major factor in ratings is what other channels are showing at the same time |
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The final Series 2 average for Ashes to Ashes is in (officials) at 6.51m if my calculations are correct. Thats just a slight fall from the 6.61m average of Series 1.
Another decent performance from one of BBC One's staple returning bankers. So far this year, the returning dramas seem to have performed OK. For instance, Hustle averaged 6.07m (up 0.51m from 2008), while Lark Rise to Candleford recorded a slight drop to 6.37m (down 0.32m from 2008). Mistresses dropped slightly too. Robin Hood is the only one thats fallen very substantially from previous series - for reasons we've discussed at length. The problem for BBC One this year has been in finding successful new dramas where results have been pretty underwhelming. ie, All the Small Things, Hope Springs. etc. |
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DOI is such an expensive show to make, ITV would never relegate it to a Tuesday night. The proposed DOI spin off in 2010 could go in that slot though.
And the return of Wish You Were Here...I seriously think not. That type of package holiday show just isn't relevant today and has been superceded by channels like TV Travel shop etc. Plus even in WYWH's heyday, (which the person posting the fantasy schedules is probably too young to even have known) it was never 9pm fare. |
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Categorical, unequivocal proof that ITV have no intention of moving DOI away from Sunday night.... They're planning a Sunday night results show for X Factor. Clearly they want more top-rated light entertainment on a Sunday night, not less.
I understand how some people may feel that Sunday night should be non-stop drama (it just feels right), but ITV has had loads of LE on Sundays in its past. Guess which day the ratings-smash Sunday Night At The London Palladium went out. Then there was Surprise Surprise, not to mention any number of quiz shows and sitcoms (mostly from LWT whose programmes could only go out Friday, Saturday or Sunday prior to 1991). I think they should because they've already got a number of very well performing dramas that seem to work best on Sunday nights. Dancing on Ice could do as well on Saturday nights, but personally I think Tuesday and Thursday nights are in greater need of a real overhaul. ITV are losing so much influence there. There's already a large slate of programming on Saturday nights and Sunday nights, with drama on Sunday and entertainment on Saturday. Why sacrifice the Sunday night harmony, which worked for so many years. 10 million viewers for Emmerdale 15 million viewers for Coronation Street 15 million viewers for Heartbeat 15 million viewers for A Touch of Frost This was five years ago. Yes, Sunday Night at the London Palladium worked, but it was comforting and wasn't fast paced. Sunday nights need to be intriguing, relaxing, and most of all, need a narrative. All these big entertainment shows suit the young Saturday night audience, which has grown over the years. Stuff like X Factor and Britain's Got Talent really shape Saturday night television for years to come, and so they should. But Sunday nights. For ITV, nothing is shaping Sunday nights, and I think Dancing on Ice needs to be sacrificed for a million or two viewers, in order for ITV to have any real effect on the weekday schedule. All that my idea would do, is give ITV a formula, a shape, a nice system, which would make it organised and carry it through year after year - and most of all - work. The Tuesday/Thursday entertainment/factual idea, with sport on a Wednesday, crime drama (Monday Night Thrillers) on a Monday, classics on a Friday night, big entertainment shows on a Saturday and comfy drama & factual series on a Sunday night, for me, would really make ITV a channel watching for as many people as possible. My fantasy schedules aren't exactly unrealistic, but I try to use my imagination. What's the point of being dreary? ITV have been radical in the past, and my schedule mixes radical change with a return to traditional pride. One thing I feel deeply about is my enjoyment of ITV in the 1990s. I have a social life, yes. But I'm a fast typer, and this is the only thread I really access. I am only 17. But still, it all impacts on ratings. I think the organisation schedules are incredibly important, and can shape a channel's/programme's success. Lost in Austen, if broadcasted and promoted well two years ago on a Sunday night, would have been a 7/8/9 million viewer hit, and would've improved ITV's reputation somewhat. It was broadcast on Wednesday and reached 3.5 million viewers. Yeah, I think that sums up my point. |
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Yes, they don't have any intention, but I think they should do it.
I think they should because they've already got a number of very well performing dramas that seem to work best on Sunday nights. Dancing on Ice could do as well on Saturday nights, but personally I think Tuesday and Thursday nights are in greater need of a real overhaul. ITV are losing so much influence there. There's already a large slate of programming on Saturday nights and Sunday nights, with drama on Sunday and entertainment on Saturday. Why sacrifice the Sunday night harmony, which worked for so many years. 10 million viewers for Emmerdale 15 million viewers for Coronation Street 15 million viewers for Heartbeat 15 million viewers for A Touch of Frost This was five years ago. Yes, Sunday Night at the London Palladium worked, but it was comforting and wasn't fast paced. Sunday nights need to be intriguing, relaxing, and most of all, need a narrative. All these big entertainment shows suit the young Saturday night audience, which has grown over the years. Stuff like X Factor and Britain's Got Talent really shape Saturday night television for years to come, and so they should. But Sunday nights. For ITV, nothing is shaping Sunday nights, and I think Dancing on Ice needs to be sacrificed for a million or two viewers, in order for ITV to have any real effect on the weekday schedule. All that my idea would do, is give ITV a formula, a shape, a nice system, which would make it organised and carry it through year after year - and most of all - work. The Tuesday/Thursday entertainment/factual idea, with sport on a Wednesday, crime drama (Monday Night Thrillers) on a Monday, classics on a Friday night, big entertainment shows on a Saturday and comfy drama & factual series on a Sunday night, for me, would really make ITV a channel watching for as many people as possible. My fantasy schedules aren't exactly unrealistic, but I try to use my imagination. What's the point of being dreary? ITV have been radical in the past, and my schedule mixes radical change with a return to traditional pride. One thing I feel deeply about is my enjoyment of ITV in the 1990s. I have a social life, yes. But I'm a fast typer, and this is the only thread I really access. I am only 17. But still, it all impacts on ratings. I think the organisation schedules are incredibly important, and can shape a channel's/programme's success. Lost in Austen, if broadcasted and promoted well two years ago on a Sunday night, would have been a 7/8/9 million viewer hit, and would've improved ITV's reputation somewhat. It was broadcast on Wednesday and reached 3.5 million viewers. Yeah, I think that sums up my point. The X Factor results going to Sunday is not a result entirely of X Factor's success but Sunday Nights being beaten so heavily by BBC1 last Autumn. I think your example of Lost in Austen is a good one, 3.5m viewers was poor for one of ITVs best new dramas last year and given a Sunday 9pm slot with Corrie and HB before it would have given it 6m+ at least possibly 8m+. It was lost on a Wednesday slot witha Bill lead in. However ITV will never match its success in the 90s and we have Tony Blair to thank for this. My personal opinion (so probably a load of rubbish) is Blair pushed a digital Britain in return for News Internationals support of him through the Sun and Times, and as Murdoch also owned Sky he wanted to use his influence to gain more subscriptions. Now I know there is Freeview but this is most likely aresult of the need for free viewing for some who can't afford/don't want 100s of channels. I believe digital TV is bad for British TV as it is Dramas that will suffer, and are suffering. Rant Over
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However ITV will never match its success in the 90s and we have Tony Blair to thank for this. My personal opinion (so probably a load of rubbish) is Blair pushed a digital Britain in return for News Internationals support of him through the Sun and Times, and as Murdoch also owned Sky he wanted to use his influence to gain more subscriptions. Now I know there is Freeview but this is most likely aresult of the need for free viewing for some who can't afford/don't want 100s of channels. I believe digital TV is bad for British TV as it is Dramas that will suffer, and are suffering. Rant Over ![]() First, the launch of the original DTT (OnDigital, which became ITV Digital) was planned under the last Conservative Government before Blair first came to power in 1997. Second, and far more importantly, pretty much every advanced country is going digital - the USA has just, literally in the last few days, had a complete national digital switchover and no longer has any analogue TV services at all. I always find it amusing how many people in the UK blame or credit the Government of the day for things which are happening in pretty much the same way all over the world - whether that be recession (either in the 80s or now), boom (either in the late 80s or in the years up to 2007), broadband/mobile phones, or now digital TV. These are worldwide developments. They have precious little to do with whoever happens to be in 10 Downing Street. |
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With regard to the suggestino that DOI move to a Tuesday, I think one key factor is being overlooked. The starts that are in the show, it suits them better to film at weekends, some still have some midweek commitments, be it radio shows, filming whatever, it is natural for these shows therefor to film at the weekend.
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With regard to the suggestino that DOI move to a Tuesday, I think one key factor is being overlooked. The starts that are in the show, it suits them better to film at weekends, some still have some midweek commitments, be it radio shows, filming whatever, it is natural for these shows therefor to film at the weekend.
There's a further point. ITV announced some time ago that they wanted to have talent/reality shows during the week. That has prompted a lot of people on these forums to assume that this means they might move some or all of the runs of X-Factor/DOI from the weekends. I don't see that at all. It seems more likely to me that they are contemplating NEW talent/reality shows for weekdays. The success of BGT shows there is an audience for such programmes during the week as well as at weekends. The decision to abandon all drama before 9 pm means that, once the Bill has moved to 9 pm, there will be a host of slots free between 8 and 9 pm most weekday nights. A new reality/talent show (ie without all the legacy costs of paying for a Simon Cowell or an Ant n Dec) would be much cheaper minute for minute than drama, comedy, or even than many documentaries. Yet it would be likely to command higher ratings, especially among desired demographics. Why should we assume that ITV either move an existing talent/reality show from the weekend or do not have that genre during the week? It seems much more likely to me that they plan to create new shows in that genre for weekdays. I don't, BTW, welcome this idea. I'd rather have a good drama myself. But I can see the commerical logic which could lead ITV towards doing this. |
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The final Series 2 average for Ashes to Ashes is in (officials) at 6.51m if my calculations are correct. Thats just a slight fall from the 6.61m average of Series 1.
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5:30pm-6:00pm Neighbours 1.24m (10.7%) 6:00pm-6:30pm Home and Away 1.05m (7.4%) 8:00pm-9:00pm Jack The Ripper: Tabloid Killer - Revealed 1.11m (5.6%) 9:00pm-11:40pm Film: For A Few Dollars More 1.2m (7%) Great night for Five.
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There's a further point.
ITV announced some time ago that they wanted to have talent/reality shows during the week. That has prompted a lot of people on these forums to assume that this means they might move some or all of the runs of X-Factor/DOI from the weekends. I don't see that at all. It seems more likely to me that they are contemplating NEW talent/reality shows for weekdays. That idea could work for an hour on a Tuesday alongside the main series on Saturday/Sunday and could probably get them 5m+. |
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Another 13 episode run of Law and Order: UK has been commisioned, which means there are 19 episodes to show now, which makes me very happy! Hopfully the second half of series 1 rates even slightly higher than before.
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8pm The Bill 4.6m 23%
9pm Spain: Paradise Lost 3.6m 17% 10pm News at Ten 2.2m 8pm Celebrity MasterChef 3.6m 19% 9pm Famous, Rich and Homeless 4.7m 22% 10pm BBC News 4.9m 8pm River Cottage 2.2m 11% [further 281,000 on Channel 4+1] 9pm Big Brother 1.8m 9% [further 270,000 on Channel 4+1] 10pm Ugly Better 1.8m 14%. [further 129,000 on Channel 4+1] 8pm Today at Wimbledon 1.5m 8% 9pm Nasa: Triumph and Tragedy 1.5m 7% 10pm James May's 20th Century 1.0m 6% 8pm Revealed, Jack the Ripper: Tabloid Killer 1.1m 6% 9pm A Few Dollars More 1.2m 7% |
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