Last one I saw was 3.4m, but they dont get reported often at all.

It was an excellent show - great guests.

The Presidential Address is ideal for ABC, CBS and NBC as it's their weakest slot outside of Friday and Saturday and it will provide a nice boost for their 9pm and 10pm shows, the only downside is that they lose ad money as the Address carries no ads.

Lie to Me is getting the short end of the stick as it has been interupted several times because of Obama and American Idol. FOX do have faith in the show and they are planning to repeat it during the summer with House repeats but I think it will lose one episode which will tacked onto the second season.

I think the reasons why the broadcasters haven't refused to not broadcast the address is 1. They don't want to be seen as being non supportive of the President and 2. They may face backlash from their news organisations.

I agree with GeorgeS that they should either rotate it or leave on the cable news channels like CNN, MSNBC or FOX News which get most of the viewers from these addresses.

For me it's the hypocrisy of the viewing public that gets me in regards to BBC1. If something like The One Show (which I do like) was shown on any other channel it'd be lucky to get 3m. Viewers seem so much more indiscrimate when it comes to BBC1...even with the likes of Tonight's the Tripe, Total Copout and Hole in the Schedule.

Jonathan Ross was brilliant tonight. I love Miley Cyrus now.

I see BBC1 were running out of ideas again tonight with a half hour Total Wipeout programme at 8.30pm. You'd think it was the BBC that was effected by the advertising downturn.

When I first started following the ratings, I didn't really buy into the idea that viewing depended massively on the channel. But it's clear that it does. Not only did Tonights The Night get 4.6m viewers, but it probably had a higher ABC1 share than The South Bank Show!

Sport is where it's most clear. And logically, you'd think that's where it matters least.

You see it in the US as well. When they broadcast the Obama speeches, NBC gets a younger audience than CBS.

As for Miley Cyrus... I know!


It has to be the most desperate slot filling I've seen. Even an old sitcom repeat would have been better (not Vicar of Dibley, obviously, but I'm sure BBC1 has something else!). And it's 8 episodes!

Exactly! If it beats Primeval again later, I think I'll give up on theorising why programmes are losing viewing figures.


That is truly weird. Though ITV1 haven't exactly done well with showing goals for the FA Cup.


Yet NBC isn't the widest watched channel in primetime.


We need the fan club.


How about a repeat of My Family? Just to confuse viewers totally.

I know I'm wasting my time trying to have an intelligent discussion with you but TOS share is now back to 19%. This compares with 23% a few months back. The slot share was 18% pre TOS, so how exactly is TOS gaining ground?

Has anyone come up with the 5minute breakdown of the hour long TOS? It would be interesting to see how/if the second half affected (and was affected by) Corrie.

K

according to broadcast:


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I think that is wrong - Broadcast and MG say different:

Broadcast
19.9% over full hour
- 20.2% from 19:00 to 19:30 (this would be the case if the other two are true)
- 19.6% from 19:30 to 20:00

MG
21% over full hour

Thanks. Been a bit busy over the last few days so haven't been paying attention to "more important matters".

I'm surprised that it held up so well during the second half. I would have expected a much greater difference. Sounds as though the hour long TOS could continue on the non-EE days. I can't believe that Corrie won't bounce back though.

K

The final race of the Formula One season in Abu Dhabi has basically been confirmed with a 3pm local time start, which is 11am UK time, there were earlier rumours that the start-time could be "different" to make it peaktime Europe.

I find it quite stupid that the season in not ending, like last year, on primetime TV. I can't see any realistic chance of an 8.8 million average like last year for the final round as that was in Brazil..... it could get approx. 6 million from 09:00 to 12:00 in the morning, but I can't see it reaching the 8/9 million heights from last year unfortunately.

Does anyone have a reasonable sample of snooker ratings, particularly prime-time (ie 7pm) slots. The few figures I have seen posted on here so far have been pretty dire.

Ronnie O'Sullivan has been knocked out this morning which is not going to help matters.

I do wonder if there is a possibility of a significant cutback in BBC snooker coverage in future years.

I've got all of last year, I'm not sure if this will help, but it may help give an impression of how this year's ratings maybe faring:

World Snooker Championship 2008
Saturday 19th April 2008
BBC1 - 13:00 to 16:30 - 1.40m (13.44%)
BBC2 - 16:30 to 17:15 - 0.81m (05.69%)
BBC2 - 19:30 to 20:35 - 1.14m (04.97%)

Sunday 20th April 2008
BBC2 - 13:00 to 16:45 - 1.13m (10.01%)
BBC2 - 19:30 to 20:00 - 1.13m (04.81%)

Monday 21st April 2008
BBC2 - 13:30 to 18:00 - 0.96m (11.00%)
BBC2 - 19:00 to 20:00 - 1.32m (06.32%)

Tuesday 22nd April 2008
BBC2 - 13:30 to 18:00 - 0.75m (10.01%)
BBC2 - 19:00 to 20:00 - 1.20m (05.84%)

Wednesday 23rd April 2008
BBC2 - 14:10 to 18:00 - 0.99m (11.82%)
BBC2 - 19:00 to 20:00 - 1.22m (06.27%)

Thursday 24th April 2008
BBC2 - 13:30 to 18:00 - 1.01m (11.32%)
BBC2 - 19:00 to 20:00 - 1.20m (06.08%)

Friday 25th April 2008
BBC2 - 13:30 to 18:00 - 0.92m (10.29%)
BBC2 - 19:00 to 20:00 - 1.38m (06.91%)

Saturday 26th April 2008
BBC1 - 13:00 to 16:30 - 1.19m (13.36%)
BBC2 - 16:45 to 18:30 - 1.10m (08.51%)
BBC2 - 19:00 to 21:05 - 1.57m (07.28%)

Sunday 27th April 2008
BBC2 - 13:00 to 17:30 - 1.38m (11.16%)
BBC2 - 19:00 to 21:00 - 1.78m (07.59%)

Monday 28th April 2008
BBC2 - 13:30 to 18:00 - 1.05m (11.93%)
BBC2 - 19:00 to 21:00 - 1.48m (06.73%)

Tuesday 29th April 2008
BBC2 - 13:30 to 18:00 - 1.32m (14.60%)
BBC2 - 19:00 to 21:00 - 1.33m (05.70%)

Wednesday 30th April 2008
BBC2 - 14:00 to 18:00 - 1.27m (13.72%)
BBC2 - 19:00 to 21:00 - 1.71m (07.54%)

Thursday 1st May 2008
BBC2 - 13:30 to 18:00 - 1.29m (15.71%)
BBC2 - 19:00 to 21:00 - 1.55m (07.72%)

Friday 2nd May 2008
BBC2 - 13:30 to 18:00 - 1.25m (15.23%)
BBC2 - 19:00 to 20:00 - 2.26m (11.17%)

Saturday 3rd May 2008
BBC1 - 13:00 to 16:30 - 1.40m (17.56%)
BBC2 - 19:00 to 22:00 - 2.12m (10.22%)

Sunday 4th May 2008
BBC2 - 15:00 to 17:30 - 2.42m (19.25%)
BBC2 - 20:00 to 23:00 - 2.59m (11.48%)

Monday 6th May 2008
BBC2 - 14:30 to 18:00 - 1.62m (14.87%)
BBC2 - 20:00 to 20:55 - 3.57m (14.67%)

Figures are OK, in the daytime the figures will probably on about the slot average, but for peaktime they will almost certainly be down on the slot average.

Its only in the last few days that figures pick up also.

D.M.N. - Thanks for that, very interesting.

If you have any comparable figures for this year, that would be very helpful.

I seem to recall someone posting a figure of under 1m for the BBC2 7pm slot - if that's correct it would be quite a big reduction.

I'll do direct comparisons based on the exact or similar timeslot from last year, only where possible though:


So on Saturday 18th April this year, from 19:00 on BBC2, it had 1.4m (7%), which is an increase of 23% on the figure above from last year.


So on Sunday 19th April this year, from 14:30 on BBC2, it had 700,000. OK, this looks horrible, but you have to remember it was up against not only the Formula 1 re-run, but also an FA Cup Semi-Final which would, inevitably, dent its figures. Overall, a decrease of 62% on the figure above from last year.


This year in a similar timeslot --> 950,000 (5%), which is a decrease of 26%.

Not looking good....

Thanks a lot for that D.M.N.

If you have any more comparisons when more ratings become available I would be very grateful.

OH NO!!! You've killed the ratings thread with talk of snooker

Or it might be the nice weather.

Well there's not much to talk about in "The Land of Ratings" on Saturday's unfortunately the media sites decide to all go to sleep for no real reason. The rest of the country works of Saturday's, so why don't they? Are they special now?

As we haven't got much to think about, there has to be a serious consideration that Top of the Pops should return. I think it's been amazing that ITV haven't at least tried to fill the gap with their own weekly chart show.

Once upon a time, Top of the Pops used to bring in 15 million viewers regularly in the 80s. The start of its decline happened when it was moved from Thursday nights to Friday nights.

And it's something that broadcasters don't understand. They seem to think a move from Thursday to Friday is fine. Wrong.

If The Inbetweeners or Skins was moved from Thursday nights to Friday nights, there would be a massive decline in audiences. Currently, teenage viewings are at their most on Thursday nights, as is the 16-34 demographic.

Also, it isn't just coincidental that Moving Wallpaper and Echo Beach premiered with 5 million viewers on a Thursday night.

So, why can't BBC1 do something like this?

7:00pm The One Show
7:30pm EastEnders
8:00pm Top of the Pops
8:30pm My Family
9:00pm Gavin & Stacey
9:30pm Mock the Week [moved from BBC2]
10:00pm BBC News at Ten

It would certainly grab the younger audience, which filters through the system after EastEnders.

I do think that would knock out ITV on Thursday nights forever more, unless ITV decided to schedule two hour classic dramas against it. But that would indeed be sensible scheduling, with two demographics catered for I suppose.

But I could imagine ratings like this:-

The One Show - 4.3m (23%)
EastEnders - 9.3m (42%) [benefiting from TOTP being straight after]
Top of the Pops - 7.4m (35%) [benefiting from the youthful audience as well as a broad range - 8pm's a nice starting point]
My Family - 6.4m (27%) [Benefiting from the lead-in really]
Gavin & Stacey - 5.9m (26%) [Gets a very large young audience, and maybe more because of the Horne & Corden thing]
Mock the Week - 4.6m (22%)
BBC News at Ten - 4.5m+ (25%)
Whatever after usually gets a 15-20% share.

I know this is mere prediction & speculation, but a night with these ratings would be getting a primetime share of 28%

Would it be worth BBC1 re-inventing Thursday nights as the home of TOTP, comedy & generally 'young person' night. Would it have positive effects on BBC Three? Or would it blemish what BBC1 stands for? Views?

IMO the Top of the Pops brand just wasn't 'cool' (hate that word) any more. It fell out of fashion ages ago and I think that's one of the main reasons people my age stopped watching it. The last rebrand was downright patronising with that horrid keyboard music and logo and the various presenters that really didn't appeal to anyone (like that dire MTV News bloke they hired and promply fired). Even the name itself sounds childish these days.

Given the amount of music channels, videos online and both legal and illegal downloads available, I just don't see the need for a music programme aimed at this group at this time on BBC1/ITV1/whatever.

Abu Dhabi won't hit those heights, but the Brazillian GP can surely get similar figures as the season comes to a climax; the title could be decided there and not come down to the final race anyway.

Thanks for the distraction from my politics exam revision PJ - it's starting to drive me nuts.

Seems like a good schedule to me, although 'capturing' the youth audience does seem to be something that ITV are more interested in due to advertising revenues.

It'd probably switch around Mock The Week and Gavin & Stacey and the ratings for TOTP do seem to be very ambitious.

I do agree with brining Mock The Week over from BBC Two. I think both that and HIGNFY could do about 2x10 episode runs a year (push Merton and and Hislop a bit more) so that satire is always at the heart of the schedule.

A couple of negative points. BBC1 would really need to sort out the second what they put in the 9:30 slot. Everything recently has just been pretty average. Surely these must be loads of comedy ideas out there.

Also, what would happen to the Friday 9pm hour? There is the option of putting drama there, but most of BBC1's big hitters are two parters, or are more suited to eariler in the week e.g. Monday. What would go there.

And no, I don't beleive it would be a 'blemish on what BBC1 stand for'. Remember, the BBC are a public service broadcaster. I'm 21 and I pay my licence fee - there should be output for me. I happen to watch quite a lot on the BBC but a lot of people I know don't watch a single thing on BBC1. If they're paying a licence fee, then they should be catered for...and BBC3's output doesn't count.

Some numbers from Friday 24.4.09

BBC ONE
HIGNFY 5.6m / 24.9%
Reggie 5m / 22%
J Ross 3.3m / 17.8%

BBC TWO
English Heritage 1.8m / 7.8%

ITV
HK 4m . 17.8%

C4
Ramsay USA 2.2m / 9.5%

Five
Neighbours 1.3m / 10.5%
NCIS 2m / 8.9%

Thanks for that dusj, Reggie Perrin did better than I thought it would