Channel 4 should make a ratings winner on Sunday nights 
Ratings Thread (Part 3 - Part 4)
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Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“After reading all the complaints about scheduling for weeks & weeks now I have concluded that:
1) every show should follow either Eastenders, Britains Got Talent or Scrictly Come Dancing;
2) nothing should be broadcast on Friday evenings
3) no show on Sundays should appeal to the under 70's
4) no show should start before 7pm on a Saturday night
5) broadcasters should use a thermometer placed in the middle of London to determine start times of shows during the summer months
6) post match coverage on ITV football must run for at least 30 minutes but post match coverage of rugby on the BBC must wrap up in under 5 minutes
7) News At Ten should be on 7 nights a week; except when there is something better to run at that time”
“After reading all the complaints about scheduling for weeks & weeks now I have concluded that:
1) every show should follow either Eastenders, Britains Got Talent or Scrictly Come Dancing;
2) nothing should be broadcast on Friday evenings
3) no show on Sundays should appeal to the under 70's
4) no show should start before 7pm on a Saturday night
5) broadcasters should use a thermometer placed in the middle of London to determine start times of shows during the summer months
6) post match coverage on ITV football must run for at least 30 minutes but post match coverage of rugby on the BBC must wrap up in under 5 minutes
7) News At Ten should be on 7 nights a week; except when there is something better to run at that time”
Don't forget:
8) BBC One and ITV1 must never schedule light factual at 9pm, because it's "lazy".
My wonderful 
excellent 
idea for ITV1 on Fridays.
7.00pm Emmerdale
7.30pm Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?
8.00pm Tonight
8.30pm Coronation Street
9.30pm Benidorm ( i hear its an hour now, oh well)
10pm News At Ten
Sorted!
excellent idea for ITV1 on Fridays. 7.00pm Emmerdale
7.30pm Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?
8.00pm Tonight
8.30pm Coronation Street
9.30pm Benidorm ( i hear its an hour now, oh well)
10pm News At Ten
Sorted!
Originally Posted by open_ended:
“My wonderful excellent idea for ITV1 on Fridays.
7.00pm Emmerdale
7.30pm Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?
8.00pm Tonight
8.30pm Coronation Street
9.30pm Benidorm ( i hear its an hour now, oh well)
10pm News At Ten
Sorted!”
“My wonderful
excellent idea for ITV1 on Fridays. 7.00pm Emmerdale
7.30pm Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?
8.00pm Tonight
8.30pm Coronation Street
9.30pm Benidorm ( i hear its an hour now, oh well)
10pm News At Ten
Sorted!”
Oh, that's nice!
The BBC simply wouldn't cope:
ITV:-
7:00pm Emmerdale (33%)
7:30pm Who Wants to be a Millionaire? (26%)
8:00pm Tonight (17%)
8:30pm Coronation Street (37%)
9:30pm Benidorm (29%)
10:30pm The Late News (16%)
28% share.
Wouldn't happen though.
You're right it would never happen. How does one become a controller, does the controller decide the listings?
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“After reading all the complaints about scheduling for weeks & weeks now I have concluded that:
1) every show should follow either Eastenders, Britains Got Talent or Scrictly Come Dancing;
2) nothing should be broadcast on Friday evenings
3) no show on Sundays should appeal to the under 70's
4) no show should start before 7pm on a Saturday night
5) broadcasters should use a thermometer placed in the middle of London to determine start times of shows during the summer months
6) post match coverage on ITV football must run for at least 30 minutes but post match coverage of rugby on the BBC must wrap up in under 5 minutes
7) News At Ten should be on 7 nights a week; except when there is something better to run at that time”
“After reading all the complaints about scheduling for weeks & weeks now I have concluded that:
1) every show should follow either Eastenders, Britains Got Talent or Scrictly Come Dancing;
2) nothing should be broadcast on Friday evenings
3) no show on Sundays should appeal to the under 70's
4) no show should start before 7pm on a Saturday night
5) broadcasters should use a thermometer placed in the middle of London to determine start times of shows during the summer months
6) post match coverage on ITV football must run for at least 30 minutes but post match coverage of rugby on the BBC must wrap up in under 5 minutes
7) News At Ten should be on 7 nights a week; except when there is something better to run at that time”
All sounds good to me...
Originally Posted by rzt:
“The show's not getting a good share. Might not have done too much better in those months.
So what about Outnumbered?
Well which one are you saying: Saturday or Sunday
?
You want to waste the 'prestigious' 9pm post-Strictly slot on Reggie Perrin? That would be a scheduling howler in my opinion. There's so many other shows which could go in that slot and perform better I reckon.
The scheduling of RP was fine. It started with over 5m which is good, but the big drop in two weeks is probably because it's rubbish. (Note: I haven't watched it, but that's the general concesus from the RP thread).”
“The show's not getting a good share. Might not have done too much better in those months.
So what about Outnumbered?
Well which one are you saying: Saturday or Sunday
? You want to waste the 'prestigious' 9pm post-Strictly slot on Reggie Perrin? That would be a scheduling howler in my opinion. There's so many other shows which could go in that slot and perform better I reckon.
The scheduling of RP was fine. It started with over 5m which is good, but the big drop in two weeks is probably because it's rubbish. (Note: I haven't watched it, but that's the general concesus from the RP thread).”
- I offered two better alternatives - autumn Saturdays or autumn Sundays
- Outnumbered s3 could have run at 9.40pm after Perrin at 9.10pm
- you can hardly say it's "rubbish" if you haven't watched it
- some press (p)reviews have been pretty supportive - the Times tv guide today really sings the praises of it
- yes, its share's not great but that's because it's in the graveyard Friday slot. How can you say it is guaranteed to get exactly the same share in whatever slot you could care to schedule it?
Originally Posted by PJMillar:
“The slot should bring the show brilliant viewing figures, as it should appeal to the same Have I Got News For You audience as well as the older generation who stay in on a Friday night who remember the original.”
“The slot should bring the show brilliant viewing figures, as it should appeal to the same Have I Got News For You audience as well as the older generation who stay in on a Friday night who remember the original.”
HIGNFY manages decent figures in spite of its slot, not because of it. Friday 9-10pm is NOT a good slot that brings "brilliant" figures. Look at most new shows that BBC1 and ITV1 have aired there in recent months - mostly all have flopped.
It's a scheduling graveyard, but the Beeb (and ITV) keep sticking promising new stuff in it.
(EDIT: when HIGNFY aired on a Wednesday night last December, it got 7.5m viewers, don't forget...)
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“All sounds good to me...
- I offered two better alternatives - autumn Saturdays or autumn Sundays
- Outnumbered s3 could have run at 9.40pm after Perrin at 9.10pm
- you can hardly say it's "rubbish" if you haven't watched it
- some press (p)reviews have been pretty supportive - the Times tv guide today really sings the praises of it
- yes, its share's not great but that's because it's in the graveyard Friday slot. How can you say it is guaranteed to get exactly the same share in whatever slot you could care to schedule it?
HIGNFY manages decent figures in spite of its slot, not because of it. Friday 9-10pm is NOT a good slot that brings "brilliant" figures. Look at most new shows that BBC1 and ITV1 have aired there in recent months - mostly all have flopped.
It's a scheduling graveyard, but the Beeb (and ITV) keep sticking promising new stuff in it.
(EDIT: when HIGNFY aired on a Wednesday night last December, it got 7.5m viewers, don't forget...)”
“All sounds good to me...
- I offered two better alternatives - autumn Saturdays or autumn Sundays
- Outnumbered s3 could have run at 9.40pm after Perrin at 9.10pm
- you can hardly say it's "rubbish" if you haven't watched it
- some press (p)reviews have been pretty supportive - the Times tv guide today really sings the praises of it
- yes, its share's not great but that's because it's in the graveyard Friday slot. How can you say it is guaranteed to get exactly the same share in whatever slot you could care to schedule it?
HIGNFY manages decent figures in spite of its slot, not because of it. Friday 9-10pm is NOT a good slot that brings "brilliant" figures. Look at most new shows that BBC1 and ITV1 have aired there in recent months - mostly all have flopped.
It's a scheduling graveyard, but the Beeb (and ITV) keep sticking promising new stuff in it.
(EDIT: when HIGNFY aired on a Wednesday night last December, it got 7.5m viewers, don't forget...)”
Benidorm premiered there with 6.5 million viewers, staying above 5 million viewers for its entire run. And that was on ITV!!!
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“- Outnumbered s3 could have run at 9.40pm after Perrin at 9.10pm”
“- Outnumbered s3 could have run at 9.40pm after Perrin at 9.10pm”
With Strictly, Casualty, National Lottery, Merlin all already in the schedules, I think it would be very difficult to fit both of those 2 in as well. And what you've proposed could be disasterous, as it would potentially be up against the X Factor result shows.
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“- you can hardly say it's "rubbish" if you haven't watched it”
“- you can hardly say it's "rubbish" if you haven't watched it”
Well I did say "probably" rubbish based on the general consensus.
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“- yes, its share's not great but that's because it's in the graveyard Friday slot. How can you say it is guaranteed to get exactly the same share in whatever slot you could care to schedule it?”
“- yes, its share's not great but that's because it's in the graveyard Friday slot. How can you say it is guaranteed to get exactly the same share in whatever slot you could care to schedule it?”
It's not exactly "graveyard" is it? It's following a good lead-in from Have I Got News For You. It's not a scheduling mistake from the BBC. They've put RP in one of the most sensible slot in my opinion.
Yes, it would probably rate better on a Sunday. But at the expensive of another show which would probably get higher ratings anyways.
And Robbie - if the slot is so awful then why did you predict 5.7m in the Ratings Predictions Game for its first episode
? Clearly you thought there was a lot of potential in its current slot .
Originally Posted by rzt:
“With Strictly, Casualty, National Lottery, Merlin all already in the schedules, I think it would be very difficult to fit both of those 2 in as well. And what you've proposed could be disasterous, as it would potentially be up against the X Factor result shows.
Well I did say "probably" rubbish based on the general consensus.
Are they in the minority?
It's not exactly "graveyard" is it? It's following a good lead-in from Have I Got News For You. It's not a scheduling mistake from the BBC. They've put RP in one of the most sensible slot in my opinion.
Yes, it would probably rate better on a Sunday. But at the expensive of another show which would probably get higher ratings anyways.”
“With Strictly, Casualty, National Lottery, Merlin all already in the schedules, I think it would be very difficult to fit both of those 2 in as well. And what you've proposed could be disasterous, as it would potentially be up against the X Factor result shows.
Well I did say "probably" rubbish based on the general consensus.
Are they in the minority?
It's not exactly "graveyard" is it? It's following a good lead-in from Have I Got News For You. It's not a scheduling mistake from the BBC. They've put RP in one of the most sensible slot in my opinion.
Yes, it would probably rate better on a Sunday. But at the expensive of another show which would probably get higher ratings anyways.”
They could have done
6.05 News
6.30 Summer Wine
7.00 Countryfile
8.00 George Gently
9.30 Perrin
The "another show" knocked out of peak, therefore, would have been the news (although that does get more viewers than Perrin.)
I agree though - there's nothing wrong with the slot it's got. If the programme had been of a good enough quality it would have been able to hold onto a 5m audience (on consolidated figures if not overnights). And I say that as someone who likes the series, but I can see the flaws that have brought in the poor reviews.
I don't think RP could have been scheduled an awful lot better. It's consistently scheduled and follows a healthy rating comedy show in HIGNFY.
I'm not much of a believer in Saturday night for comedies either, so I wouldn't be keen on that plan. The shifting of times on a Saturday means the thing winds up getting bumped around the schedule and could wind up against X Factor on ITV. I don't think it works so well for Outnumbered and I don't think it would be good for RP either.
Plus, having Casualty on from 8.20, preceeded by Lottery Draws and Merlin at 7.20, SCD is going to wind up starting at about 6pm - something which damages its numbers and something that Robbie annually criticises the 'BSI' for.
I'm not much of a believer in Saturday night for comedies either, so I wouldn't be keen on that plan. The shifting of times on a Saturday means the thing winds up getting bumped around the schedule and could wind up against X Factor on ITV. I don't think it works so well for Outnumbered and I don't think it would be good for RP either.
Plus, having Casualty on from 8.20, preceeded by Lottery Draws and Merlin at 7.20, SCD is going to wind up starting at about 6pm - something which damages its numbers and something that Robbie annually criticises the 'BSI' for.
ITV need more ad revenue & fast.
They have brought back News at Ten, which although is bold and will hopefully lead to an improvement in ITV's news output, doesn't help.
Already, ITV have no advertising during News at Ten, as there is no point.
Also, ITV Evening News has recently been floundering - its audiences have gone down significantly this Spring - it has been going down in the last 3 years in any case.
Could ITV possibly get away with an early evening schedule like this? Could this lead to an improvement in Emmerdale and Coronation Street?
5:00pm Regional News
5:30pm Evening News
6:00pm The Paul O'Grady Show
7:00pm Emmerdale
7:30pm Coronation Street
etc
Could this sort of thing maximise their ad revenue in these tough times? Also, could it help the 5-6pm news?
I know I've used Paul O'Grady as an example, even though he's at Channel 4, but I wonder whether he would jump ship if he was given a 6pm slot, which almost guarantees improved ratings, and a lucrative deal.
I think it would certainly improve ITV's all day share.
What other programmes could be in ITV's 6pm-7pm slot if the plan went ahead?
They have brought back News at Ten, which although is bold and will hopefully lead to an improvement in ITV's news output, doesn't help.
Already, ITV have no advertising during News at Ten, as there is no point.
Also, ITV Evening News has recently been floundering - its audiences have gone down significantly this Spring - it has been going down in the last 3 years in any case.
Could ITV possibly get away with an early evening schedule like this? Could this lead to an improvement in Emmerdale and Coronation Street?
5:00pm Regional News
5:30pm Evening News
6:00pm The Paul O'Grady Show
7:00pm Emmerdale
7:30pm Coronation Street
etc
Could this sort of thing maximise their ad revenue in these tough times? Also, could it help the 5-6pm news?
I know I've used Paul O'Grady as an example, even though he's at Channel 4, but I wonder whether he would jump ship if he was given a 6pm slot, which almost guarantees improved ratings, and a lucrative deal.
I think it would certainly improve ITV's all day share.
What other programmes could be in ITV's 6pm-7pm slot if the plan went ahead?
That schedule probably wouldn't work
ITV would get lots of bad press for sidelining news, the 6pm chat show would probably flop, the BBC News's ratings would increase as people go there to see the traditional 6pm news. ITV would move the news back to 6pm a year later and end up with half the ratings that they currently have now
Surely you are aware of what happens when long established programmes leave their slot? News at Ten? Sunday's Coronation Street etc?
ITV would get lots of bad press for sidelining news, the 6pm chat show would probably flop, the BBC News's ratings would increase as people go there to see the traditional 6pm news. ITV would move the news back to 6pm a year later and end up with half the ratings that they currently have now
Surely you are aware of what happens when long established programmes leave their slot? News at Ten? Sunday's Coronation Street etc?
Originally Posted by Agent F:
“Richard and Judy are at a loose end, I hear.”
“Richard and Judy are at a loose end, I hear.”
That's not such a bad idea.
The problem with R&J's show wasn't that it was on at the wrong time, it was on the wrong channel - Watch, the most pointless channel on television.
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“That schedule probably wouldn't work
ITV would get lots of bad press for sidelining news, the 6pm chat show would probably flop, the BBC News's ratings would increase as people go there to see the traditional 6pm news. ITV would move the news back to 6pm a year later and end up with half the ratings that they currently have now
Surely you are aware of what happens when long established programmes leave their slot? News at Ten? Sunday's Coronation Street etc?”
“That schedule probably wouldn't work
ITV would get lots of bad press for sidelining news, the 6pm chat show would probably flop, the BBC News's ratings would increase as people go there to see the traditional 6pm news. ITV would move the news back to 6pm a year later and end up with half the ratings that they currently have now
Surely you are aware of what happens when long established programmes leave their slot? News at Ten? Sunday's Coronation Street etc?”
I don't think moving the news hour to 5pm is the equivalent of sidelining. The evening news hasn't always been in that slot anyway - it used to be at 5.45pm years ago.
Funnily enough it's not the worst schedule PJ has ever done, and one that I think could possibly work.
Reading the comments from today i agree with most people on here... RP has had a good slot, people just dont like it!
Originally Posted by Agent F:
“I don't think moving the news hour to 5pm is the equivalent of sidelining. The evening news hasn't always been in that slot anyway - it used to be at 5.45pm years ago.
Funnily enough it's not the worst schedule PJ has ever done, and one that I think could possibly work.”
“I don't think moving the news hour to 5pm is the equivalent of sidelining. The evening news hasn't always been in that slot anyway - it used to be at 5.45pm years ago.
Funnily enough it's not the worst schedule PJ has ever done, and one that I think could possibly work.
”
My thinking behind it was:-
- The Evening News was dropping in viewers anyway, it has never been renowned for being in a certain place in the schedule like News at Ten
- I'm sure it doesn't provide the sort of lead-in necessary for Emmerdale.
- A chat show could introduce new viewers to Emmerdale
- I'm not thinking of a tacky teatime show like Antony Cotton, more a populist but calm one that appeals to a wide enough audience, like Paul O'Grady or Alan Titchmarsh.
Plus, it might take a while for ITV to gain any viewers in that slot, but there's not much else being offered on other channels.
Simpsons/Hollyoaks is for teenagers, Eggheads is for oldies and the News is for everyone else.
But I could see a lot of light, female viewers [which ITV care a lot about] preferring to watch ITV's Evening News at 5pm-6pm leading in to a chat show.
With Torchwood taking up a whole week of BBC 1 9pm slots after Ashes and The Apprentice have finished in early June, I assume it means that all the 9pm shows for the following two months or so will all launch straight afterwoods in the same week? How on earth do they intend to promote them all adequately? Unless they have one-offs and repeats to fill in a few of them to allow them to carry on launching them in different weeks?
Also how does everyone think the new Torchwood'll rate? Series 3 is meant to not dwell on previous series too much allowing new viewers to jump in, and it'll be promoted during the previous two mentioned shows' finales which will both do quite well.
Also how does everyone think the new Torchwood'll rate? Series 3 is meant to not dwell on previous series too much allowing new viewers to jump in, and it'll be promoted during the previous two mentioned shows' finales which will both do quite well.
Re Perrin-its getting over 6 million over its two showings-not bad in this day and age.
For some people like me however-who know the original well, it really is a shadow of that show. All of the original cast were memorable in their roles, that cannot be said of this.
For some people like me however-who know the original well, it really is a shadow of that show. All of the original cast were memorable in their roles, that cannot be said of this.
Originally Posted by Digital Sid:
“With Torchwood taking up a whole week of BBC 1 9pm slots after Ashes and The Apprentice have finished in early June, I assume it means that all the 9pm shows for the following two months or so will all launch straight afterwoods in the same week? How on earth do they intend to promote them all adequately? Unless they have one-offs and repeats to fill in a few of them to allow them to carry on launching them in different weeks?
Also how does everyone think the new Torchwood'll rate? Series 3 is meant to not dwell on previous series too much allowing new viewers to jump in, and it'll be promoted during the previous two mentioned shows' finales which will both do quite well.”
“With Torchwood taking up a whole week of BBC 1 9pm slots after Ashes and The Apprentice have finished in early June, I assume it means that all the 9pm shows for the following two months or so will all launch straight afterwoods in the same week? How on earth do they intend to promote them all adequately? Unless they have one-offs and repeats to fill in a few of them to allow them to carry on launching them in different weeks?
Also how does everyone think the new Torchwood'll rate? Series 3 is meant to not dwell on previous series too much allowing new viewers to jump in, and it'll be promoted during the previous two mentioned shows' finales which will both do quite well.”
Its an interesting question, actually. I was looking through the BBC One drama left to air this year and there is loads of it. They barely aired any of it for the first three months of the year, so their summer schedule will probably look stronger than their winter one.
I actually think they could use lots of 9pm shows starting at once quite cleverly in promotional terms, by advertising them together as a 'summer schedule'. Of the 5 days, I can see two being taken by Waking the Dead (perhaps Monday and Tuesday), and another by Hope Springs (perhaps Thursday). Would I Lie to You? is also coming back, and might start on the Friday.
Regarding Torchwood - I'm not sure how it'll go and if its really suited for the mainstream slot its been given. I really do rather think BBC Two would be its natural home. I can see the heavy promotion earning it 5m+ on debut, but I don't think it'll hold all of that. Maybe averaging 4-4.5m ish, which would be decent I suppose, but no more than that.
Interestingly, does anyone know the last time a show had Series 1 on BBC Three, Series 2 on BBC Two and Series 3 on BBC One?
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“Its an interesting question, actually. I was looking through the BBC One drama left to air this year and there is loads of it. They barely aired any of it for the first three months of the year, so their summer schedule will probably look stronger than their winter one.
I actually think they could use lots of 9pm shows starting at once quite cleverly in promotional terms, by advertising them together as a 'summer schedule'. Of the 5 days, I can see two being taken by Waking the Dead (perhaps Monday and Tuesday), and another by Hope Springs (perhaps Thursday). Would I Lie to You? is also coming back, and might start on the Friday.
Regarding Torchwood - I'm not sure how it'll go and if its really suited for the mainstream slot its been given. I really do rather think BBC Two would be its natural home. I can see the heavy promotion earning it 5m+ on debut, but I don't think it'll hold all of that. Maybe averaging 4-4.5m ish, which would be decent I suppose, but no more than that.
Interestingly, does anyone know the last time a show had Series 1 on BBC Three, Series 2 on BBC Two and Series 3 on BBC One?”
“Its an interesting question, actually. I was looking through the BBC One drama left to air this year and there is loads of it. They barely aired any of it for the first three months of the year, so their summer schedule will probably look stronger than their winter one.
I actually think they could use lots of 9pm shows starting at once quite cleverly in promotional terms, by advertising them together as a 'summer schedule'. Of the 5 days, I can see two being taken by Waking the Dead (perhaps Monday and Tuesday), and another by Hope Springs (perhaps Thursday). Would I Lie to You? is also coming back, and might start on the Friday.
Regarding Torchwood - I'm not sure how it'll go and if its really suited for the mainstream slot its been given. I really do rather think BBC Two would be its natural home. I can see the heavy promotion earning it 5m+ on debut, but I don't think it'll hold all of that. Maybe averaging 4-4.5m ish, which would be decent I suppose, but no more than that.
Interestingly, does anyone know the last time a show had Series 1 on BBC Three, Series 2 on BBC Two and Series 3 on BBC One?”
Little Britain?
Originally Posted by PJMillar:
“Little Britain?”
“Little Britain?”
No, the first two series premiered on BBC Three then the third made the leap to BBC One (the first series was repeated on BBC Two though). Gavin and Stacey will have done exactly the same when its third series airs.
I think its an absolute stupid idea from the Beeb to launch new dramas in the Summer. Look at most dramas now and they are getting 5 to 6m, once Summer comes, I expect only about 4/5m for new dramas.
I expect that Torchwood will receive around 5-7m on the Monday, and then proceed to gain about 4-5m for all proceeding episodes.
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