Originally Posted by king_kong1:
“50 Cent, Drake etc use much worse.”
“50 Cent, Drake etc use much worse.”
And you can't see the difference between them using these terms and a white man calling a black man a 'negro'? Really?
Did he just say 'Negro'?!
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And you can't see the difference between them using these terms and a white man calling a black man a 'negro'? Really?
Originally Posted by MithMarr:
“I despair i really do. Negro is a word to describe someone of Black ancestry. Caucasian is a word to describe someone of White ancestry.”
“I despair i really do. Negro is a word to describe someone of Black ancestry. Caucasian is a word to describe someone of White ancestry.”
And I despair of disingenuous people like you claiming that the word 'negro' is only used as a descriptor of race and has no other connotations.
Wise up.
Negro isn't an offensive term, Ken's usage was impolite but not offensive. Negro is no different than the term Caucasian, ****** is the offensive word used to be offensive.
Originally Posted by lou_lou76:
“Shocked by what I just heard! The term 'negro' harks back to when blacks were slaves. Alexander handled it well, but as a black American, it must have hit a nerve. Even more shocking by what he then went onto say about black children. He needs to go!”
“Shocked by what I just heard! The term 'negro' harks back to when blacks were slaves. Alexander handled it well, but as a black American, it must have hit a nerve. Even more shocking by what he then went onto say about black children. He needs to go!”
The negro thing was racially insensitive at best. Pickanniny was racist. Jewish film producer? Oh Lord! He's going for some sort of record.
Someone should inform the United Negro College Fund that the name of the organisation is now deemed to be offensive..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Negro_College_Fund
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Negro_College_Fund
Originally Posted by riversmum:
“Is Ken just on a mission to get thrown out?
He is vile.”
“Is Ken just on a mission to get thrown out?
He is vile.”
He said that.
Do they lose their fee if they get evicted?
Originally Posted by reishun:
“Negro isn't an offensive term, Ken's usage was impolite but not offensive. Negro is no different than the term Caucasian, ****** is the offensive word used to be offensive.”
“Negro isn't an offensive term, Ken's usage was impolite but not offensive. Negro is no different than the term Caucasian, ****** is the offensive word used to be offensive.”
I think Alexander is in a good position to tell Ken whether his use of the term would be considered offensive or not by most black people.
The words used in historic or scientific referance are caucasoid for whites/Europeans and negroid for blacks, not calling a man "a big negro" in a southern American accent.
Originally Posted by Joan_Ferguson:
“Someone should inform the United Negro College Fund that the name of the organisation is now deemed to be offensive..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Negro_College_Fund”
“Someone should inform the United Negro College Fund that the name of the organisation is now deemed to be offensive..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Negro_College_Fund”
It's all about context and intent like all language. Obviously in that context there is no derogatory intent. Ken's use was arguably derogatory and belittling. Given his other comments just on this episode suggest he meant it to be derogatory.
It makes me laugh how in this age of p.c do gooders how certain words are now so offensive, back when I was a kid and in my teens ( some 30 plus years ago ) no one would bat an eyelid if you used the N word or P word or even called someone a spastic.
Originally Posted by reishun:
“Negro isn't an offensive term, Ken's usage was impolite but not offensive. Negro is no different than the term Caucasian, ****** is the offensive word used to be offensive.”
“Negro isn't an offensive term, Ken's usage was impolite but not offensive. Negro is no different than the term Caucasian, ****** is the offensive word used to be offensive.”
I'm not sure we should be telling an African American that a term he finds offensive isn't offensive.
Originally Posted by Deccomajor:
“It makes me laugh how in this age of p.c do gooders how certain words are now so offensive, back when I was a kid and in my teens ( some 30 plus years ago ) no one would bat an eyelid if you used the N word or P word or even called someone a spastic.”
“It makes me laugh how in this age of p.c do gooders how certain words are now so offensive, back when I was a kid and in my teens ( some 30 plus years ago ) no one would bat an eyelid if you used the N word or P word or even called someone a spastic.”
Well thankfully nowadays blacks can drink at the same water fountains as everybody else.
Some of the older generation can't keep up
- coloured was deemed offensive and was replaced by negro
- negro was then deemed offensive and replaced by black
- not sure where Afro-American fits in here.
Interestingly ... The United States Census Bureau announced that "Negro" would be included on the 2010 United States Census, alongside "Black" and "African-American", because some older black Americans still self-identify with the term
- coloured was deemed offensive and was replaced by negro
- negro was then deemed offensive and replaced by black
- not sure where Afro-American fits in here.
Interestingly ... The United States Census Bureau announced that "Negro" would be included on the 2010 United States Census, alongside "Black" and "African-American", because some older black Americans still self-identify with the term
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“He was taunting Alexandra, goading him... unpleasant.”
“He was taunting Alexandra, goading him... unpleasant.”
I agree. He could've stopped once Alexander gave his rebuttal. But, he just kept going, because he wasn't getting a more heated reaction out of him.
Originally Posted by Deccomajor:
“It makes me laugh how in this age of p.c do gooders how certain words are now so offensive, back when I was a kid and in my teens ( some 30 plus years ago ) no one would bat an eyelid if you used the N word or P word or even called someone a spastic.”
“It makes me laugh how in this age of p.c do gooders how certain words are now so offensive, back when I was a kid and in my teens ( some 30 plus years ago ) no one would bat an eyelid if you used the N word or P word or even called someone a spastic.”
Ah yes, the good old days when you could laugh at the disabled and bawl racist remarks in the street if the fancy took you.
Pity we can't send you back there.
Originally Posted by duffsdad:
“I'm not sure we should be telling an African American that a term he finds offensive isn't offensive.”
“I'm not sure we should be telling an African American that a term he finds offensive isn't offensive.”
the point is Negro is not used as an offensive term, plenty of words were created with the intent to offend and dehumanize but Negro isn't one, it's meant to be used more in a formal context in the same way Caucasian can be used instead of White. The context in which Ken used it was rude and Alexander pointed out Black is the more polite term which is true but at no point did he say Negro is as offensive as ****** which people here are saying.
Originally Posted by Deccomajor:
“It makes me laugh how in this age of p.c do gooders how certain words are now so offensive, back when I was a kid and in my teens ( some 30 plus years ago ) no one would bat an eyelid if you used the N word or P word or even called someone a spastic.”
“It makes me laugh how in this age of p.c do gooders how certain words are now so offensive, back when I was a kid and in my teens ( some 30 plus years ago ) no one would bat an eyelid if you used the N word or P word or even called someone a spastic.”
I know, I know. 30 plus years ago you could touch up a kid without everyone kicking off! Easy as P.I.E. Now you've got to sign a bloody PC EU register before taking your binoculars to the local primary school. Gotta laugh at how ridiculously PC it all is now!!
Signed... Babysitter For Hire.
That term was in common use a generation ago and for someone like Ken, it's reasonable that he wouldn't be knowledgeable about how the term is perceived these days and what other terms are more acceptable to black Americans. Alexander explained the situation to him and along with BB's warning, it feels like a fair response.
It seems that Ken is deliberately trying to be controversial and provocative in order to get evicted first. Fair enough - lots of other CBB housemates have attempted that - but Ken seems to have gone too far, from a pantomime villain into a genuinely horrible person.
It seems that Ken is deliberately trying to be controversial and provocative in order to get evicted first. Fair enough - lots of other CBB housemates have attempted that - but Ken seems to have gone too far, from a pantomime villain into a genuinely horrible person.
Originally Posted by 007Fusion:
“I agree. He could've stopped once Alexander gave his rebuttal. But, he just kept going, because he wasn't getting a more heated reaction out of him.”
“I agree. He could've stopped once Alexander gave his rebuttal. But, he just kept going, because he wasn't getting a more heated reaction out of him.”
That's why you can tell that the context was passive aggressive and derogatory. He wanted a reaction. Suarez-like. Thank God Alexander is a gentleman. A lesser man would have swung for him.
Originally Posted by _Matt:
“Correct. It wasn't racist at all by intent, but it was inappropriate. A nuanced reaction is wise, here.”
“Correct. It wasn't racist at all by intent, but it was inappropriate. A nuanced reaction is wise, here.”
Totally, Alexander's reaction was handled perfectly. A total contrast on how Perez was when he was flying off the handle. I liked Alexander from the start and didn't think it was fair he was put up for eviction by Katie. He has gone up a bit more in my estimations after tonights episode. I hope he doesn't go on Tuesday, would like to see more of him.
Originally Posted by clara28:
“And I despair of disingenuous people like you claiming that the word 'negro' is only used as a descriptor of race and has no other connotations.
Wise up.”
“And I despair of disingenuous people like you claiming that the word 'negro' is only used as a descriptor of race and has no other connotations.
Wise up.”
Ahhh i get it, your offended
Originally Posted by SecretPassage:
“That term was in common use a generation ago and for someone like Ken, it's reasonable that he wouldn't be knowledgeable about how the term is perceived these days and what other terms are more acceptable to black Americans. Alexander explained the situation to him and along with BB's warning, it feels like a fair response.
It seems that Ken is deliberately trying to be controversial and provocative in order to get evicted first. Fair enough - lots of other CBB housemates have attempted that - but Ken seems to have gone too far, from a pantomime villain into a genuinely horrible person.”
“That term was in common use a generation ago and for someone like Ken, it's reasonable that he wouldn't be knowledgeable about how the term is perceived these days and what other terms are more acceptable to black Americans. Alexander explained the situation to him and along with BB's warning, it feels like a fair response.
It seems that Ken is deliberately trying to be controversial and provocative in order to get evicted first. Fair enough - lots of other CBB housemates have attempted that - but Ken seems to have gone too far, from a pantomime villain into a genuinely horrible person.”
So which is it then?
Ken made an innocent blunder based on his age etc or he was winding Alexander up and hoping to get a reaction?
You're talking out of both sides of your mouth IMO
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