A lot on people on here, many of whom I assume are white, seem to think they are in a better position than Alexander O'Neil to decide what is and is not offensive to black people.
Did he just say 'Negro'?!
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Originally Posted by Deccomajor:
“It makes me laugh how in this age of p.c do gooders how certain words are now so offensive, back when I was a kid and in my teens ( some 30 plus years ago ) no one would bat an eyelid if you used the N word or P word or even called someone a spastic.”
“It makes me laugh how in this age of p.c do gooders how certain words are now so offensive, back when I was a kid and in my teens ( some 30 plus years ago ) no one would bat an eyelid if you used the N word or P word or even called someone a spastic.”
The good old days eh? Aye, when you could assert your divine rights over all those darkies and disabled people over a pint in the pub, then come home and give the missus a good bashing and nobody would think twice. You could even give one of your daughters a bit of a seeing to, what with the missus being out of action, and nobody would believe her. It's diabolical what's happened to this country.
*edit* see some folks got in with the sarcasm before me ! Should read whole thread before posting...
Originally Posted by cookin:
“Some of the older generation can't keep up
- coloured was deemed offensive and was replaced by negro
- negro was then deemed offensive and replaced by black
- not sure where Afro-American fits in here.
Interestingly ... The United States Census Bureau announced that "Negro" would be included on the 2010 United States Census, alongside "Black" and "African-American", because some older black Americans still self-identify with the term”
“Some of the older generation can't keep up
- coloured was deemed offensive and was replaced by negro
- negro was then deemed offensive and replaced by black
- not sure where Afro-American fits in here.
Interestingly ... The United States Census Bureau announced that "Negro" would be included on the 2010 United States Census, alongside "Black" and "African-American", because some older black Americans still self-identify with the term”
It's also odd how "black" is accepted as the correct term to use these days, when it was considered really offensive to say that in the last century
Originally Posted by Deccomajor:
“It makes me laugh how in this age of p.c do gooders how certain words are now so offensive, back when I was a kid and in my teens ( some 30 plus years ago ) no one would bat an eyelid if you used the N word or P word or even called someone a spastic.”
“It makes me laugh how in this age of p.c do gooders how certain words are now so offensive, back when I was a kid and in my teens ( some 30 plus years ago ) no one would bat an eyelid if you used the N word or P word or even called someone a spastic.”
Oh my god.
Absolutely disgusting. Your mentality is shocking.
Originally Posted by clitheroe1:
“A lot on people on here, many of whom I assume are white, seem to think they are in a better position than Alexander O'Neil to decide what is and is not offensive to black people.”
“A lot on people on here, many of whom I assume are white, seem to think they are in a better position than Alexander O'Neil to decide what is and is not offensive to black people.”
It's always the way, isn't it? My own take on it is that Ken is perfectly aware of how offensive the word is - he did it to be controversial. That makes it worse, in my opinion. To have such arrogant disregard for someone else and just use them to be deliberately offensive for your own ends is pretty disgusting in my book.
Ken was basically saying negro as a substitute for the N-word (cos he knows he really can't say that) in order to wind up Alexander. So in this context the term is offensive. It wasn't a blunder because he then went on labouring the point. And then threw in more random offensiveness about pickaninny.
Originally Posted by Lozzo99:
“It's also odd how "black" is accepted as the correct term to use these days, when it was considered really offensive to say that in the last century”
“It's also odd how "black" is accepted as the correct term to use these days, when it was considered really offensive to say that in the last century”
How is it odd? Language changes. Societies change. The only odd thing is when people can't seem to keep up.
Originally Posted by TrebleKing:
“Alexander handled that with dignity, self respect and decorum. Top bloke.”
“Alexander handled that with dignity, self respect and decorum. Top bloke.”
He has probably had many opportunities to react to such ignorant comments in his life. Sadly, he's probably used to it.
Originally Posted by Oml:
“Ken was basically saying negro as a substitute for the N-word (cos he knows he really can't say that) in order to wind up Alexander. So in this context the term is offensive. It wasn't a blunder because he then went on labouring the point. And then threw in more random offensiveness about pickaninny.”
“Ken was basically saying negro as a substitute for the N-word (cos he knows he really can't say that) in order to wind up Alexander. So in this context the term is offensive. It wasn't a blunder because he then went on labouring the point. And then threw in more random offensiveness about pickaninny.”
Ken wants to leave. He wants his money. The two are incompatible desires. If he walks he loses his money.
So he is trying to either get nominated and evicted that way, or he is trying to get kicked out by being obnoxious and offensive. Alex has him sussed though and didn't bite. I bet Ken was gutted when Jeremy got thrown out instead!
Originally Posted by Oml:
“Ken was basically saying negro as a substitute for the N-word (cos he knows he really can't say that) in order to wind up Alexander. So in this context the term is offensive. It wasn't a blunder because he then went on labouring the point. And then threw in more random offensiveness about pickaninny.”
“Ken was basically saying negro as a substitute for the N-word (cos he knows he really can't say that) in order to wind up Alexander. So in this context the term is offensive. It wasn't a blunder because he then went on labouring the point. And then threw in more random offensiveness about pickaninny.”
Exactly right.
Can't stand the Man!
It'll be very interesting to see what happens on Eviction night.
Sadly, i'm not 100% sure Morley will be going.
Originally Posted by clitheroe1:
“A lot on people on here, many of whom I assume are white, seem to think they are in a better position than Alexander O'Neil to decide what is and is not offensive to black people.”
“A lot on people on here, many of whom I assume are white, seem to think they are in a better position than Alexander O'Neil to decide what is and is not offensive to black people.”
The United States Census Bureau announced that "Negro" would be included on the 2010 United States Census, alongside "Black" and "African-American", because some older black Americans still self-identify with the term.
Originally Posted by Lozzo99:
“It's also odd how "black" is accepted as the correct term to use these days, when it was considered really offensive to say that in the last century”
“It's also odd how "black" is accepted as the correct term to use these days, when it was considered really offensive to say that in the last century”
You seem like a gay person. Sorry I meant happy person. Oh gosh, I see your point not being able to keep up with THE LAST CENTURY! It's sooooooooo hard.
Have they ever had black people use ****** or a variant and been kicked out or warned? I vaguely remember it happening but not sure?
Originally Posted by endeka:
“Well that's the first eviction sorted.”
“Well that's the first eviction sorted.”
Sadly it may not be as there are some people hailing him as a hero for his odious comments.
Originally Posted by StandByMe89:
“Embarrassing really, the way he went on about how black kids had a name too. Ugh,”
“Embarrassing really, the way he went on about how black kids had a name too. Ugh,”
At that point he should have been called to the diary room and escorted off the premises.
Originally Posted by JayUK69:
“I don't think he was intending to come across as racist, it was just very poor taste. Alexander handled that really well, others might have flown off the handle and claimed racism, good on him.”
“I don't think he was intending to come across as racist, it was just very poor taste. Alexander handled that really well, others might have flown off the handle and claimed racism, good on him.”
Originally Posted by Deccomajor:
“It makes me laugh how in this age of p.c do gooders how certain words are now so offensive, back when I was a kid and in my teens ( some 30 plus years ago ) no one would bat an eyelid if you used the N word or P word or even called someone a spastic.”
“It makes me laugh how in this age of p.c do gooders how certain words are now so offensive, back when I was a kid and in my teens ( some 30 plus years ago ) no one would bat an eyelid if you used the N word or P word or even called someone a spastic.”
Are you serious??
Originally Posted by Oml:
“Ken was basically saying negro as a substitute for the N-word (cos he knows he really can't say that) in order to wind up Alexander. So in this context the term is offensive. It wasn't a blunder because he then went on labouring the point. And then threw in more random offensiveness about pickaninny.”
“Ken was basically saying negro as a substitute for the N-word (cos he knows he really can't say that) in order to wind up Alexander. So in this context the term is offensive. It wasn't a blunder because he then went on labouring the point. And then threw in more random offensiveness about pickaninny.”
He has worked with black actors. Do you imagine that he got away with referring to them as negroes without being corrected. He was trying to cause a fight and Alexander was fantastic in his response.
Originally Posted by Lozzo99:
“It's also odd how "black" is accepted as the correct term to use these days, when it was considered really offensive to say that in the last century”
“It's also odd how "black" is accepted as the correct term to use these days, when it was considered really offensive to say that in the last century”
I imagine that in the last century p*** was once considered to be an acceptable abbreviation for Pakistani. It doesn't make it any less offensive today.
Originally Posted by too_much_coffee:
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He has worked with black actors. Do you imagine that he got away with referring to them as negroes without being corrected. He was trying to cause a fight and Alexander was fantastic in his response.”
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He has worked with black actors. Do you imagine that he got away with referring to them as negroes without being corrected. He was trying to cause a fight and Alexander was fantastic in his response.”
Errrrr yeah that's what I said, he was trying to wind Alexander up by calling him the N word (but without using the N word)
Originally Posted by MithMarr:
“Ahhh i get it, your offended
”
“Ahhh i get it, your offended
”
So far tonight I've seen you defend racism and on another thread defending the behaviour of a sexually aggressive man by accusing his victim of acting up for the cameras.
What century do you hail from?
Originally Posted by Posh Boy:
“The United States Census Bureau announced that "Negro" would be included on the 2010 United States Census, alongside "Black" and "African-American", because some older black Americans still self-identify with the term.”
“The United States Census Bureau announced that "Negro" would be included on the 2010 United States Census, alongside "Black" and "African-American", because some older black Americans still self-identify with the term.”
And you waited nearly a decade to post that?
Well I never thought I would settle in front of the tv and see Reg Holdsworth call Alexander O'Neill a negro.
Originally Posted by Melissa.:
“Oh my god.
Absolutely disgusting. Your mentality is shocking.”
“Oh my god.
Absolutely disgusting. Your mentality is shocking.”
Don't feed the troll.
He deliberately used that word to offend Alexander.
After Alexander told him not to use that word to a black man and just use the word black - Ken said "To me black is JUST AS OFFENSIVE"
He wanted to start an argument and Alexander handled him really well.
After Alexander told him not to use that word to a black man and just use the word black - Ken said "To me black is JUST AS OFFENSIVE"
He wanted to start an argument and Alexander handled him really well.
Originally Posted by hendoll:
“It's always the way, isn't it? My own take on it is that Ken is perfectly aware of how offensive the word is - he did it to be controversial. That makes it worse, in my opinion. To have such arrogant disregard for someone else and just use them to be deliberately offensive for your own ends is pretty disgusting in my book.”
“It's always the way, isn't it? My own take on it is that Ken is perfectly aware of how offensive the word is - he did it to be controversial. That makes it worse, in my opinion. To have such arrogant disregard for someone else and just use them to be deliberately offensive for your own ends is pretty disgusting in my book.”
Originally Posted by Oml:
“Ken was basically saying negro as a substitute for the N-word (cos he knows he really can't say that) in order to wind up Alexander. So in this context the term is offensive. It wasn't a blunder because he then went on labouring the point. And then threw in more random offensiveness about pickaninny.”
“Ken was basically saying negro as a substitute for the N-word (cos he knows he really can't say that) in order to wind up Alexander. So in this context the term is offensive. It wasn't a blunder because he then went on labouring the point. And then threw in more random offensiveness about pickaninny.”
Agree with both of these. I felt that Ken's choice of language was calculated to provoke. It was not done through ignorance. I am upset and disappointed that he was not told to leave. The thought that he will be rewarded for his behaviour by guaranteed eviction and collecting his fee makes a mockery of the whole show.
Originally Posted by Deccomajor:
“It makes me laugh how in this age of p.c do gooders how certain words are now so offensive, back when I was a kid and in my teens ( some 30 plus years ago ) no one would bat an eyelid if you used the N word or P word or even called someone a spastic.”
“It makes me laugh how in this age of p.c do gooders how certain words are now so offensive, back when I was a kid and in my teens ( some 30 plus years ago ) no one would bat an eyelid if you used the N word or P word or even called someone a spastic.”
It's the 'wrap them up in cotton wool' and 'oh what can I now find offensive' age we live in nowadays.
Ken was so close to the line as to be brushing it with his toe. I cannot believe he thinks he can get away with his behaviour just because he is old and a bit eccentric. Had he said the 6 letter N word he would have gone, for sure..and rightly so.
As I'm in Judge Judy mode, for his behaviour towards the women and his language to Alexander he could have been ejected.
So so close to the line...do they get paid if they are booted out?
As I'm in Judge Judy mode, for his behaviour towards the women and his language to Alexander he could have been ejected.
So so close to the line...do they get paid if they are booted out?
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