Bet I've seen more than Jeremy

Good for you. Remember to wipe your keyboard down.

Her choice

Come on now OP, I'm sure she ran hysterically crying from the room once those pictures were finished being taken

I hope Perez felt 'safe' after seeing the final shots too.

Her body, her choice. She decides when she wants her breasts to be exposed, no one else (even if they're wasted).

Why did I look..sigh...

Still trying to understand why Perez would feel unsafe.
Talk abt milking a situation.

But the fact that one of her breasts being momentarily exposed to 1 drunk person in a toilet with no cameras was so hugely traumatic for her makes you wonder why would she put herself through such devastating trauma during all those photoshoots

I don't think you understand the concept of choice.

When it wasn't her choice, it was traumatic. Because she was not expecting it and felt, presumably, violated.

She chose to do those photoshoots, so therefore it's safe to presume they were in no way traumatic.

I expect you know all this but you're just on the wind up, at the expense of women's rights.

Perhaps if he'd slipped a £20 note to wipe away her tears it wouldn't have escalated quite so dramatically.

I would say it was more the fact that he felt he had the right to touch her, let alone expose her breast, pull at her dressing gown or check whether she had a bikini on or not ... all whilst upchucking!

I would imagine those photoshoots are conducted in a pretty respectful way - no groping, attempting to grope, unwanted activity of any kind ... or else there'd be stories all over the place stating that wasn't the case.

I do. You can choose to have your cake and eat it. It's just a shame it's physically impossible, otherwise the choice would be a meaningful one.

Lol.......love it

Well said. Regardless of what anyone does for a living - no one has the right to touch them inappropriately - you cant go around pulling at peoples clothes and exposing their body uninvited.

Not sure how anyone can defend/excuse his behaviour. There are boundaries that really shouldn't be crossed - he crossed them IMO.

So like YesNoMan said, she wants to have her cake and eat it too. When having her tits exposed benefits her she'll go with that, but when acting like having her tit exposed is devastatingly traumatic benefits her she'll go with that instead


Maybe I've been hardened by the world but I'm skeptical that these circumstances warranted such a long hysterical breakdown from a topless model


So you agree that Hazel should have been removed for pulling Daley's shorts down? And Denise Welch for pulling down one of the Shannon twin's pants? Strange that they weren't

Did I say that?

As it happens no I don't think they should have been removed - different circumstances entirely - there is no hard and fast rule that fits different situations. I believe warnings were given on those occasions and I think that was the correct line of action.

Yes, here:





Oh yeah, the perpetrators were women and one of the victims was a man which means it's not a big deal at all I suppose

I remember the Shannon twins went to the diary room to complain about what Denise did, just like Chloe tonight, and yet she still wasn't removed

As I explained - life and situations aren't black and white. I see the situations you are talking about as individual acts - I don't class them as the same.

You obviously do - fair enough. I've said it as I see it - don't put words in my mouth.

So your quotes about 'you can't go around pulling at peoples clothes and exposing their body uninvited' and 'there are boundaries that really shouldn't be crossed' only apply in some situations or to some people but not others? Why do they apply to Chloe but not Daley or the Shannon twin?

Yes, because that is what this is all about, isn't it?! Instead of blaming a man who acted inappropriately to a woman, you're blaming a woman for being visibly upset by said inappropriate behaviour. Sexist and demeaning.

As I said, it's about CHOICE. Chloe's choice to expose herself. That choice was taken away from her when Jeremy exposed her breast. That is unacceptable.

To suggest that Chloe would react the way she did, only because she would 'benefit' from it, and that there is nothing wrong with what happened because she has had her breasts out publicly before, is outdated, misogynistic and shows a mistrust of women who are in control of their sexuality.

Because the situations were quite different - if you can't see that then I don't think anything I say will alter your perception.

I think it's a bit silly getting pernickety over it.

The way I see it (and I'm agreeing with those that say each case is different) is because if it was so black and white, we wouldn't have half the cases chucked out of court or have some people set free whilst others found guilty.

That's why every case is different. I personally think that anyone on this show who felt abused in any way, should have been chucked out..............or given a formal warning provided the accuser was okay with that given the BB house almost becomes like some kind of Vatican City with its own rules.

The fact that you think a woman of Chloe's age who takes part in reality shows like Ex on the Beach wouldn't exaggerate and milk the drama of a situation to benefit herself and her social standing means you are either hopelessly naive or blinded by feminism


Well the only thing different was the OTT reaction. Oh, and the gender of the perpetrators

Really?

Well if you don't see the situations as different I'm not sure what you're watching TBH.