No-one is saying Jeremy was right to do what he did.

But, Chloe massively over-reacted for someone who flaunts her tits for money. She could just have pulled away or told him off or even said take a good look everyone else has.

Playfully in a room full of people larking about and partying or alone in a toilet in a potentially/probably sexual way ...............I think it's totally different. There you go.

Well, to be fair the twins did react quite violently and it kicked off a massive rows as well as various diary room visits

It is a bit depressing.

Of course hardly anyone really thinks that choosing to expose yourself in front of a camera means people should be allowed to do it to you whenever they like. If I yanked up, say, Natalie Portman's skirt and said "What? I've already seen your bum in a thong in Your Highness." I'd get sympathy from pretty much no one. It's page 3 girls etc to whom this standard is applied.

Natalie Portman used a body double in 'Your Highness'.

& use a squeegee for the screen

You know what I like to do sometimes? Eat. I even do it in public, shocking I know, but I enjoy food. I guess this means it's acceptable for someone to come and ram a pork chop down my throat whenever the fancy takes them seeing as I'm so blaise about eating in public.

Did she? How disappointing.

Anyway someone else would do for my point. They can't all have borrowed other people's bums.

Actually, they might be her cheeks that you do see.

Brilliant post.

I cannot fathom why some posters (the majority, it seems) aren't able to understand the concept of personal choice.

You completely missed the consent part I'm afraid.

Would you cry if someone offered you a sandwich?

It was Daley's underwear that was pulled down, exposing his privates. Also, Chloe's tit was only exposed to drunk Jeremy because there are no cameras in the bathroom


The fact that you have spent this entire thread acting indignant at the idea of a young women who is a reality show veteran exaggerating drama to garner sympathy and increase her social standing/improve her chances of not being evicted shows you are either hopelessly naive or blinded by feminism as I've already said. If you had ever seen Geordie Shore or Ex on the Beach, you would know that conclusions drawn from watching those shows are neither stereotypical, sexist or unfair

Using name calling, buzzwords and attempts at shaming to try to scare your opposition into backing down without actually debating the subject at hand are standard tactics of militant feminists. If you don't want to be labelled as such, you should stop using those tactics in the future

I have seen both shows. I still maintain to stereotype based on the content of them is unfair.
As I have said previously, it is sexist to suggest that a woman who takes part in those shows would fake or exaggerate her reaction to inappropriate behaviour. The subtext inferred is putting her into a sexist stereotype ("slutty", "attention seeking" "used to it" "should put up with it" "asking for it" etc). (Edited to add: not to mention it is inferring that Chloe would value her place in a TV show over a genuine emotion, and, arguably, her safety.)

I'm not sure where you're coming from the accusations of trying to scare people. That's certainly not my intention. Suggesting that I haven't actually debated the subject at hand is ludicrous. I have made my opinion and counter argument everytime. My arguments may be passionate, but they're certainly not intimidating?!

The fact that you think I am upset at being labelled, rather than being bemused that you have felt it necessary to label me as a specific stereotype, makes me think maybe you've misunderstood my reactions or that you're wanting to see something that isn't there.

That's not a fair comparison - offering a sandwich means that the person offering would be waiting for a response from the recipient. If Jeremy had asked to pull down Chloe's robe, and she had said yes, there would be no issue.

It's only labelled a 'stereotype' when you don't want the characterization to be true. There are strong elements of truth to all stereotypes, otherwise they wouldn't be stereotypes. If you aren't the 'type' of person that these reality shows normally attract then you are never going to get anywhere in that business. Shows like Ex on the Beach very rarely attract people who aren't that 'type' and I have seen no reason to believe that Chloe isn't

I don't know why you aren't able to see the scare tactics you were trying to deploy earlier in the thread, maybe you are just used to them working on people so you have never had to analyse what you are doing

Labelling people 'misogynist' when they don't agree with you is a classic attempt at trying to scare your opposition into backing down, because you think they will be so afraid of having a negative social label, they will just give in to you. It's the same with your line "your opinions will never be accepted in polite society" - standard attempt at social shaming, trying to scare me into thinking that if I don't fall in line with 'accepted' opinions (which you think yours are), I'll be ostracised from 'polite society'. Oh woe is me! I don't give a toss what 'polite society' thinks and I certainly won't be changing my opinions to appease people with over-sensitive feelings

This is getting ridiculous. You've misquoted me and you're still inferring things that are not in my posts. I don't know what I have done to upset you so much but I think you need to get over it now. I responded to you on the same level that you responded to me. You labelled me a 'militant feminist stereotype' because you don't agree with me, so effectively you're doing the same thing you're accusing me of.

Either you're on a wind up or you're just really upset by my opinions. If the latter is the case then I suggest you put me on ignore. Stop trying to make out it's personal.

You're grasping at straws now, you're trying to claim I 'misquoted' you by pressing the 'quote' button on your posts? I suppose it is the sexist, misogynistic messageboard making you look bad now is it?

Also, you are misquoting me now. You say I labelled you a militant feminist stereotype because I disagree with you, you have that completely wrong. I merely pointed out that you were using standard attempts at scare tactics and social shaming that are commonly used by militant feminists to either shut down or avoid debate of the subject matter. Coincidently using those tactics in defence of a woman's questionable behaviour

If you don't want to be part of this discussion any more, stop replying. Leave the thread and 'get over it', as you say

She rejected his advance.

She turned the sandwich away.

Unless you're now claiming he actually did 'shove his pork chop down her throat' which is a bit of an escalation

You're missing the point entirely, purposely it appears.

When he exposed her breast he crossed a line that should never be crossed, period.

It is HER body and therefore it is HER choice, I seriously do not understand why this is so hard for people to digest.

I don't think I'm missing anything.

You compared her topless modeling to eating.

You then compared Jeremy's actions to someone shoving a pork chop down your throat.

If topless modeling is eating she didn't actual eat anything let alone have anything forced down her throat because no one saw anything.

Unless I missed something and her boobs were all over the telly, jeremy did not actually expose her so he didn't shove a pork chop anywhere.

Pretty shocked that anyone thinks exposing a women's breast without permission is ok....

I think Chloe's reaction was one of the most genuine thingsnive seen on bb in a long time. She obviously just didn't know how to deal with that situation. she couldn't process what happened and the initial shock quickly turned into mild hysteria. If you think she was putting that on you are bonkers. It was a text book instinctual emotional reaction to an out of context event.

She's spent half the day trying to reconcile her feelings about it.

She's been spending time trying to rationalise her reaction, e

Mrs Checks, this is a fantastic post. So well put.

I've only skim-read this thread, so I might not have got all the facts straight. But if Jeremy really did shove a pork chop up Natalie Portman's fake bum then I for one am glad he's been ejected.

I'm actually thinking of changing my username now to Porkchop
Last edited by Hazellou : 12-01-2015 at 00:34