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Javed
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by madiain28:
“I am actually really shocked about some of the posts and find it really worrying that so many people are justifying his Jeremy's actions. Chloe did not go into the bathroom on her own with him Cami was also in the bathroom but she was too busy wanting to gossip about Jeremy vomiting she left. You could clearly see that Chloe was sitting on the floor opposite side of the toilet to Jeremy. You could clearly hear the conversation which in no way was flirtatious. Yes Chloe had a dressing gown on without a bra underneath as she was getting ready for bed when the incident occurred I don't think at any point she said that she did not have knickers on. Which is completely irrelevant as she had a dressing gown on which was neither short or revealing. Jeremy was completely in the wrong and overstepped the mark. There was no misreading the signals but he knew what he had done was wrong. The fact when he came out of the bathroom when asked by Callum why Chloe was upset he knew exactly what he had done wrong and why she was upset. He also immediatly tried to justify himself by saying he was pissed and removed her robe and he actually said he might of accidentally touched her breast. From his own account and the way he attempted to joke with Callum about it showed he knew what he did was wrong.
I actually think Chloe handled herself well she immediatly left the bathroom and initially tried to leave the room without any fuss. It was the other housemates particularly Cami who turned it into a scene running about telling everyone not helped by Perez screaming he felt unsafe. You could clearly see Chloe was shocked and her reaction was one of shock rather than hysteria which the other housemates created. Chloe even in the diary room wasn't hysterical or over exaggerated the incident but she was obviously shaken by what had happened.
Jeremy is a recovering alcoholic who as soon as entering the house began drinking. His behaviour has been erratic over the past few days and he obviously has a lot going on in his life. Given the circumstances that he is a recovering alcoholic and has immediatly started drinking I think BB really had no choice but to remove him for his own sake. It appears that the people who are upset that he was removed are only upset because they wanted to see him have a complete breakdown for entertainment value. It was clear from the day he entered that all the housemates had concerns about his erratic behaviour and state of mind. The fact that he misread a situation where he was vomiting in a toilet and interpreted it as a come on says quite a lot about his current mental state.”

Excellent post.
Lorise
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by Javed:
“It depends on whether the receiver is happy about it or not. In this case Chloe was not happy.”

Definition: Usually a sexual assault occurs when someone touches any part of another person's body in a sexual way, even through clothes, without that person's consent.


It doesn't say whether the person is happy about it or not? just because someone doesn't get upset over it doesn't mean it wasn't what it was.
Ms Ann Thrope
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by ScreamingTree<3:
“I disapprove of the victim blaming nonsense here today, they both made mistakes, he is paying the price for it. He did something wrong, but she shouldn't have been walking round the house with nothing on under her robe.
He didn't force himself on her and for sure in days to come she'll be frolicking round the house half naked with her bust on display flirting up a storm but that will be ok cos that's her choice?!
Drunk man alone in loo with an attractive female... he didn't grope her, he didn't pin her to a wall and force himself on her. He made a stupid drunken mistake.”

You're not ok with victim blaming but apparently fine with slut shaming? Lol
too_much_coffee
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by CarlLewis:
“From what I heard, he touched her clothing, not her body.”

Jeremy stated, quite coherently when he came out of the toilet, that he might have touched her breast,

Originally Posted by NaughtyNan:
“ apology for trying to lighten the mood my back was hurting from all the weight! I would certainly just tell them to back off with a stern look not cry my eyes out within seconds. PLUS there was clearly something going on with her towards him prior to that when he accidentally spilt his wine when his legs were akimbo. She gave him a dirty look so why did she go to the toilet afterwards?”

Glad you can be so flippant about it should it happen to you - but then I imagine from your name that you're a little older than Chloe. Nice to try to find something earlier that can add to a bit of victim blaming....

Originally Posted by CarlLewis:
“Wouldn't be a sexual assault though.”

Try it - I think that you'll find that it is.
sofieellis
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by di60:
“how do you know we heard the whole conversation in the toilet? we have no idea how long the real scene had been playing out... seriously, if it was as Chloe claims it had been [I'd need to see it again] but didn't she claim that he touched her boob... she should be reporting it”

I didn't hear her claiming he had touched her breast, but that he had exposed it.
Deeferone
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by madiain28:
“I am actually really shocked about some of the posts and find it really worrying that so many people are justifying his Jeremy's actions. Chloe did not go into the bathroom on her own with him Cami was also in the bathroom but she was too busy wanting to gossip about Jeremy vomiting she left. You could clearly see that Chloe was sitting on the floor opposite side of the toilet to Jeremy. You could clearly hear the conversation which in no way was flirtatious. Yes Chloe had a dressing gown on without a bra underneath as she was getting ready for bed when the incident occurred I don't think at any point she said that she did not have knickers on. Which is completely irrelevant as she had a dressing gown on which was neither short or revealing. Jeremy was completely in the wrong and overstepped the mark. There was no misreading the signals but he knew what he had done was wrong. The fact when he came out of the bathroom when asked by Callum why Chloe was upset he knew exactly what he had done wrong and why she was upset. He also immediatly tried to justify himself by saying he was pissed and removed her robe and he actually said he might of accidentally touched her breast. From his own account and the way he attempted to joke with Callum about it showed he knew what he did was wrong.
I actually think Chloe handled herself well she immediatly left the bathroom and initially tried to leave the room without any fuss. It was the other housemates particularly Cami who turned it into a scene running about telling everyone not helped by Perez screaming he felt unsafe. You could clearly see Chloe was shocked and her reaction was one of shock rather than hysteria which the other housemates created. Chloe even in the diary room wasn't hysterical or over exaggerated the incident but she was obviously shaken by what had happened.
Jeremy is a recovering alcoholic who as soon as entering the house began drinking. His behaviour has been erratic over the past few days and he obviously has a lot going on in his life. Given the circumstances that he is a recovering alcoholic and has immediatly started drinking I think BB really had no choice but to remove him for his own sake. It appears that the people who are upset that he was removed are only upset because they wanted to see him have a complete breakdown for entertainment value. It was clear from the day he entered that all the housemates had concerns about his erratic behaviour and state of mind. The fact that he misread a situation where he was vomiting in a toilet and interpreted it as a come on says quite a lot about his current mental state.”

Excellent Post
vze1xgrl1
11-01-2015
I have not read all the replies yet or all of the other posts on this subject I wanted to put my 1p's worth and then will go back and read what people have to say.
This is how I see it, I am a parent now and I have a daughter who is 12 if my daughter was in there and some guy did that I would be breaking into to there and beating his arse!

No matter if she was naked or not she was trying to support and help him he was drunk and admitted to what she said he did, she immediately said " that's in appropriate and I am leaving" You could tell the girl was violated and made her feel upset if you think or feel she is "milking it" that is not whats important its how SHE felt and I think she was 100% genuine.
I was disturbed to see Ken (who in my opinion is a perv) telling her that Jeremy is some big shot in the States so she should be careful not to blow anything!!!!

At the same time I think Perez was acting like a div and other housemates were hyping the situation up.

For what its worth I think if a girl did this to a guy and he also felt violated then the girl should have the same action taken I think the thing is the situation that is happening if they are both flirting and whatever and a line is crossed by accident then that's a different situation it depends on the circumstances and it depends on how the person who had the action done against feels and Chloe didn't feel safe with him and he violated her.

OK I will come off of my soap box.
Natgar
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by vze1xgrl1:
“I have not read all the replies yet or all of the other posts on this subject I wanted to put my 1p's worth and then will go back and read what people have to say.
This is how I see it, I am a parent now and I have a daughter who is 12 if my daughter was in there and some guy did that I would be breaking into to there and beating his arse!

No matter if she was naked or not she was trying to support and help him he was drunk and admitted to what she said he did, she immediately said " that's in appropriate and I am leaving" You could tell the girl was violated and made her feel upset if you think or feel she is "milking it" that is not whats important its how SHE felt and I think she was 100% genuine.
I was disturbed to see Ken (who in my opinion is a perv) telling her that Jeremy is some big shot in the States so she should be careful not to blow anything!!!!

At the same time I think Perez was acting like a div and other housemates were hyping the situation up.

For what its worth I think if a girl did this to a guy and he also felt violated then the girl should have the same action taken I think the thing is the situation that is happening if they are both flirting and whatever and a line is crossed by accident then that's a different situation it depends on the circumstances and it depends on how the person who had the action done against feels and Chloe didn't feel safe with him and he violated her.

OK I will come off of my soap box.”

You are right and some of the other lists make me feel we haven't left the previous century.
vze1xgrl1
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by madiain28:
“I am actually really shocked about some of the posts and find it really worrying that so many people are justifying his Jeremy's actions. Chloe did not go into the bathroom on her own with him Cami was also in the bathroom but she was too busy wanting to gossip about Jeremy vomiting she left. You could clearly see that Chloe was sitting on the floor opposite side of the toilet to Jeremy. You could clearly hear the conversation which in no way was flirtatious. Yes Chloe had a dressing gown on without a bra underneath as she was getting ready for bed when the incident occurred I don't think at any point she said that she did not have knickers on. Which is completely irrelevant as she had a dressing gown on which was neither short or revealing. Jeremy was completely in the wrong and overstepped the mark. There was no misreading the signals but he knew what he had done was wrong. The fact when he came out of the bathroom when asked by Callum why Chloe was upset he knew exactly what he had done wrong and why she was upset. He also immediatly tried to justify himself by saying he was pissed and removed her robe and he actually said he might of accidentally touched her breast. From his own account and the way he attempted to joke with Callum about it showed he knew what he did was wrong.
I actually think Chloe handled herself well she immediatly left the bathroom and initially tried to leave the room without any fuss. It was the other housemates particularly Cami who turned it into a scene running about telling everyone not helped by Perez screaming he felt unsafe. You could clearly see Chloe was shocked and her reaction was one of shock rather than hysteria which the other housemates created. Chloe even in the diary room wasn't hysterical or over exaggerated the incident but she was obviously shaken by what had happened.
Jeremy is a recovering alcoholic who as soon as entering the house began drinking. His behaviour has been erratic over the past few days and he obviously has a lot going on in his life. Given the circumstances that he is a recovering alcoholic and has immediatly started drinking I think BB really had no choice but to remove him for his own sake. It appears that the people who are upset that he was removed are only upset because they wanted to see him have a complete breakdown for entertainment value. It was clear from the day he entered that all the housemates had concerns about his erratic behaviour and state of mind. The fact that he misread a situation where he was vomiting in a toilet and interpreted it as a come on says quite a lot about his current mental state.”


Maybe I should have read all the replies before typing because you have basically said EXACTLY what I think!
I agree its scary to see some peoples reactions saying that it was OK and some people going so far as to blame Chloe!!! I have seen someone say "they both made mistakes" She was getting ready for bed, she heard someone getting sick so went to help him, you can tell she wasn't flirting she wasn't sitting on his lap she was sitting in a small room with the stench of vomit no doubt! And he made a silly silly choice granted when I am drunk I am not a saint but he crossed a line 100%, When he came out I heard him say something on the lines of "I thought she was coming on to me" If sitting with someone while they are vomiting and trying to reassure them that we have all been there and just showing genuine concern then I am a slut for holding my friends hair when they puke!

I wonder if the people saying "he did nothing wrong" or "she made a mistake and shouldn't have been alone with him without a bra on!" I wonder if they would say the same if that was their Daughter, Mother, Sister or Aunt?
NaughtyNan
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by too_much_coffee:
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Glad you can be so flippant about it should it happen to you - but then I imagine from your name that you're a little older than Chloe. Nice to try to find something earlier that can add to a bit of victim blaming....



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Once again you are assuming too much. Nice of you too to ignore the rest of my post and stick to assumptions you make about something you know nothing about.

FYI, TOO much coffee, my username has nothing to do with my age. My first name does.
p.s. and what is wrong the forum, it keeps going on and off for me, anyone else having problems with DS?
muggins14
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by End-Em-All:
“You say it is and I don't believe it is. In this case, I doubt the law will agree with you.”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7BxGzLCYAAZati.jpg

The above link effectively defines Sexual Assault as touching without consent, and that touching includes touching a person's clothes. It also states "the definition of touching is not wide enough to cover cases where the defendant does not come into contact with the complainant but does cause her or him to believe that s/he will"

ETA: Sorry, I pressed submit early in error before
di60
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by sofieellis:
“I didn't hear her claiming he had touched her breast, but that he had exposed it.”

Yes I realise after just reviewing it on catchup.

ETA and that constitutes sexual assault according to some
muggins14
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by madiain28:
“I am actually really shocked about some of the posts and find it really worrying that so many people are justifying his Jeremy's actions. Chloe did not go into the bathroom on her own with him Cami was also in the bathroom but she was too busy wanting to gossip about Jeremy vomiting she left. You could clearly see that Chloe was sitting on the floor opposite side of the toilet to Jeremy. You could clearly hear the conversation which in no way was flirtatious. Yes Chloe had a dressing gown on without a bra underneath as she was getting ready for bed when the incident occurred I don't think at any point she said that she did not have knickers on. Which is completely irrelevant as she had a dressing gown on which was neither short or revealing. Jeremy was completely in the wrong and overstepped the mark. There was no misreading the signals but he knew what he had done was wrong. The fact when he came out of the bathroom when asked by Callum why Chloe was upset he knew exactly what he had done wrong and why she was upset. He also immediatly tried to justify himself by saying he was pissed and removed her robe and he actually said he might of accidentally touched her breast. From his own account and the way he attempted to joke with Callum about it showed he knew what he did was wrong.
I actually think Chloe handled herself well she immediatly left the bathroom and initially tried to leave the room without any fuss. It was the other housemates particularly Cami who turned it into a scene running about telling everyone not helped by Perez screaming he felt unsafe. You could clearly see Chloe was shocked and her reaction was one of shock rather than hysteria which the other housemates created. Chloe even in the diary room wasn't hysterical or over exaggerated the incident but she was obviously shaken by what had happened.
Jeremy is a recovering alcoholic who as soon as entering the house began drinking. His behaviour has been erratic over the past few days and he obviously has a lot going on in his life. Given the circumstances that he is a recovering alcoholic and has immediatly started drinking I think BB really had no choice but to remove him for his own sake. It appears that the people who are upset that he was removed are only upset because they wanted to see him have a complete breakdown for entertainment value. It was clear from the day he entered that all the housemates had concerns about his erratic behaviour and state of mind. The fact that he misread a situation where he was vomiting in a toilet and interpreted it as a come on says quite a lot about his current mental state.”

Good post, couldn't add anything to that really.
blahblahblah57
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by clara28:
“Yes that will be okay. It's called having bodily autonomy and choosing who gets to touch you and when. Hardly a radical concept.”

Originally Posted by ScreamingTree<3:
“I am pretty sure you'll be eating those words when the days go by and her time in the house shows her up ”

I am responding to the second post - which was in response to the first post - when I say I don't care whether in a few days she has a threesome on the kitchen table with Calum and Cami, anything that she does with - or is done to - her body should be her choice.
too_much_coffee
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by NaughtyNan:
“Once again you are assuming too much. Nice of you too to ignore the rest of my post and stick to assumptions you make about something you know nothing about.

FYI, TOO much coffee, my username has nothing to do with my age. My first name does.
p.s. and what is wrong the forum, it keeps going on and off for me, anyone else having problems with DS?”

I guess if you're younger than Chloe and started posting on DS in 2008 then you were a child poster...

FYI - I referred to the rest of your post as I saw it - another attempt at victim blaming inferring that there was some existing situation between them.

DS working perfectly ok with me.

Any other bit of your post that you feel aggrieved about me ignoring???
blahblahblah57
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by madiain28:
“I am actually really shocked about some of the posts and find it really worrying that so many people are justifying his Jeremy's actions. Chloe did not go into the bathroom on her own with him Cami was also in the bathroom but she was too busy wanting to gossip about Jeremy vomiting she left. You could clearly see that Chloe was sitting on the floor opposite side of the toilet to Jeremy. You could clearly hear the conversation which in no way was flirtatious. Yes Chloe had a dressing gown on without a bra underneath as she was getting ready for bed when the incident occurred I don't think at any point she said that she did not have knickers on. Which is completely irrelevant as she had a dressing gown on which was neither short or revealing. Jeremy was completely in the wrong and overstepped the mark. There was no misreading the signals but he knew what he had done was wrong. The fact when he came out of the bathroom when asked by Callum why Chloe was upset he knew exactly what he had done wrong and why she was upset. He also immediatly tried to justify himself by saying he was pissed and removed her robe and he actually said he might of accidentally touched her breast. From his own account and the way he attempted to joke with Callum about it showed he knew what he did was wrong.
I actually think Chloe handled herself well she immediatly left the bathroom and initially tried to leave the room without any fuss. It was the other housemates particularly Cami who turned it into a scene running about telling everyone not helped by Perez screaming he felt unsafe. You could clearly see Chloe was shocked and her reaction was one of shock rather than hysteria which the other housemates created. Chloe even in the diary room wasn't hysterical or over exaggerated the incident but she was obviously shaken by what had happened.
Jeremy is a recovering alcoholic who as soon as entering the house began drinking. His behaviour has been erratic over the past few days and he obviously has a lot going on in his life. Given the circumstances that he is a recovering alcoholic and has immediatly started drinking I think BB really had no choice but to remove him for his own sake. It appears that the people who are upset that he was removed are only upset because they wanted to see him have a complete breakdown for entertainment value. It was clear from the day he entered that all the housemates had concerns about his erratic behaviour and state of mind. The fact that he misread a situation where he was vomiting in a toilet and interpreted it as a come on says quite a lot about his current mental state.”

Perfectly put
NaughtyNan
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by too_much_coffee:
“I guess if you're younger than Chloe and started posting on DS in 2008 then you were a child poster...

FYI - I referred to the rest of your post as I saw it - another attempt at victim blaming inferring that there was some existing situation between them.

DS working perfectly ok with me.

Any other bit of your post that you feel aggrieved about me ignoring???”

You are suggesting I am a NAN. how dare you!
I am not aggrieved huni, I am just passing time its DS.

No once again, you are jumping into conclusion about what my question were... I am not victim blaming just commenting on the highlight show. It is after all the evidence put to us.. You are going on about it after all.
She was pulling faces at him spilling his drink wasn't she? I just questioned or rather thought what was going on between them it is after all we don't get to see much without the live feed so we are all guessing really.

edit, anyway good night coffee, if I don't reply anymore is because I have retired after all ...us grannies we are so fragile this time of time...ooh its 2 am!!!
LightMeUp
11-01-2015
It's not so shocking that this forum sees how it should react to something then does so to the contrary. It's just sad. Very few think about what they post on the internet.
PepperPlant
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by Vodka_Drinka:
“Disgusting, but not really surprising to be honest. Victim blaming is still endemic, especially when the victim is a woman. They always "asked for it" in some way or an other.”

I agree with the above, and with the OP that Jeremy's behaviour was unacceptable.

It was sad to hear Chloe feeling the need to comment "I know I have done Page 3" prior to expressing how she felt about his behaviour. It was good that Nadia clarified that her having done Page 3 etc. is irrelevant.
muggins14
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by LightMeUp:
“It's not so shocking that this forum sees how it should react to something then does so to the contrary. It's just sad. Very few think about what they post on the internet.”

This forum... I moan about this a lot, because it's true and it annoys me 'This forum' is not a single body with one thought, we are all individuals and all have our own individual thoughts and opinions, which we express here. Some are similar, others are different but similar to others. We don't all think as one synonymous body, DS is not a single entity.

End of rant
trevor tiger
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by PepperPlant:
“I agree with the above, and with the OP that Jeremy's behaviour was unacceptable.

It was sad to hear Chloe feeling the need to comment "I know I have done Page 3" prior to expressing how she felt about his behaviour. It was good that Nadia clarified that her having done Page 3 etc. is irrelevant.”

Sorry if this has been mentioned as I haven't read the whole thread but what I find interesting about this is that an almost identical situation occurred in CBB9 when Denise Welch deliberately pulled down the pants of a girl and she was equally as distraught as Chloe tonight. She was a play boy model and people discussed in the house and on here this very issue, should she be ok with it because of her job.

Anyway Denise went on to win the show but Jeremy was kicked out and I'm not sure what we're supposed to learn about that
jacquelineanne
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by Zadeth:
“He never grouped her. Chloe is making false allegations. He touched her clothing. Chloe is milking it for the magazine deals when she's out and to be safe from eviction.”

Yes she is so traumatised, but give it a day and she will be back to prancing around half naked to tease the men in there.
di60
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by jacquelineanne:
“Yes she is so traumatised, but give it a day and she will be back to prancing around half naked to tease the men in there.”

and showing how she can flex those tits
mickmars
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by jacquelineanne:
“Yes she is so traumatised, but give it a day and she will be back to prancing around half naked to tease the men in there.”

Even though he should NEVER have touched her robe,Perhaps a simple "Oi,you drunken bastard,don't touch my dressing gown" would have been sufficient ....
But hey,this is 2015...
di60
11-01-2015
Originally Posted by mickmars:
“Even though he should NEVER have touched her robe,Perhaps a simple "Oi,you drunken bastard,don't touch my dressing gown" would have been sufficient ....
But hey,this is 2015...”

and there's an eviction to avoid
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