I think one conclusion that can be drawn from that is that Big Brother as a show learns each time what the audience will and won't complain about, what legalities are and how strict they must or mustn't be from each previous experience that they have, much as we as people learn from experience.

BB has just had the most complaints of any show in 2014 (last summer's BB). It could be that they are going to be more strict, it could be that they have decided that anything sexual will be dealt with straight away.

Only they can really answer your question.
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Aah, those poor men, unable to control themselves if a woman is prancing around. Perhaps she should wear a burkah?

I find it hard to believe that things have changed that much in just 3 years, that sexual assault which is actually what both these incidents are, was tolerated to the degree that Denise could win in 2012 and that Jeremy could be chucked out now

Yes she had it coming. Jeez

So true.

People should watch that movie (true story) with Jodie Foster, The Accused

That movie changed law in the US about boundaries and also highlighted how it wasn't anyone's right to judge someone on what they wore, how they looked or what they did for a living.

Both events occurred with alcoholics who were drunk at the time coincidentally. I'd be interested to hear BB's explanation why they were both handled differently.

LMAO!

Me too.

And on the subject of Denise. Didn't she also go over the line with Michael Madsen. I mean like seriously harrass him?

yeah but that will be her choice. Someone grabbing her robe and exposing her isn't her choice. Less people think if your a model/glamour model/prostitute you should not be protected by the law?

I always go mad when people use the excuse of alcohol to justify their actions. I've been drunk many, many times but I've never inappropiately touched someone, been violent to someone, damaged property etc. It's a bit of a cop out to be honest.

I do think Channel 5 have questions to answer with regards to whether or not he was stable enough to be in there in the first place though.

And I don't think Chloe overreacted, I think she went into the bathroom to help someone who was drunk and not in a good state and the last thing she expected was for him to do what he did. She was shocked and in a state of panic, I think a lot of people would react the same way.

She had every right to be upset and even annoyed with what he did...but why all the tears and the need to relay what he did to every single HM.?

She should have slapped him and told BB what he did (although they probably already knew).

Jeremy has two stories going here as well. In one version, he says Chloe was leaning forward showing him her breasts and in another version he says he thought she had on a swim suit.

Then 50% of drunk guys need to learn that they can't pull down a womans clothes and touch her breast. (and yes he did touch her breast, he admitted to it)

Jeremy admitted he touched Chloe.

Genius!

No you are wrong. Chloe is blameless

The difference being that Gary exposed himself.

Yes he did

BIB I think you will find that the forum jumped to a conclusion, but not the one you think. Read the show thread. Here is a sample

It was a reaction out of shock. She couldn't help it. Seeing as you didn't see what happened how do you even know if it was an overreaction. People have boundaries, when they are invaded it is upsetting.

And she never said he groped her. People are mishearing that, they need to rewind their catch ups and listen properly. It is clearly stated several times by Chloe AND Jeremy that he went for her robe and her boob was exposed - that's it.

I do feel sorry for him - he was an alcoholic with clear mental health issues. He should never have been put in that house or be allowed to drink and get in that state. And then leaving him alone in a room with no cameras with a near-naked woman. And hence numbskulls online calling her a liar or over-reactor cause they can't see what actually happened. He was not essentially a danger to anyone but once you cross a line like that there's no going back. It would have been a constant feeling in everyone's minds and he'd have been punished/nominated for it till he left. And there would have been public outrage at him "getting away with it".

It also does not compare to Hazel / Denise / Cami or anyone else invading people's space. The situations were entirely different - Hazel and Daley was a sparring match and he - as the man - will always be seen in a harsher light. It was a romance that went wrong and Daley crossed the line - but they were already romancing - Chloe was not romancing Jeremy, no such invasion of space was ever expected.

Denise was having a laugh. Calum wasn't remotely bothered about Cami stroking his leg - no comparison at all. Plus he wasn't near-nude or in a vulnerable position. It was a flirting situation that he seemed OK with.

What tears? Did you see any? Her make up looked perfectly intact to me. Had she not been up for eviction her reaction would have been totally different.
He is an idiot and she is a drama queen, simple as.

The bottom line is this:

People believe that celebrities - particularly a bunch of highly paid and talentless obnoxious ones - are fair game for any woes that come their way.

It is the modern day Victorian circus.

Agree...simple as.

You seem obsessed with trying to prove a point. From what we heard, he didn't touch her, he exposed her slightly due to being drunk. He shouldn't have done it, but please don't jump to conclusions. A warning would've sufficed, but emotion always triumphs over logic these days. I just wish we could get through a series of CBB on Channel 5 without any major controversy, it's like it has to be in the script for every series!

No he did not, you are deluded and Inventing things to suit your argument