Why do so many people in this thread have difficulty realising that someone's profession has no bearing on how they would react to someone exposing their breast?

I keep seeing variations on this theme, "he was drunk", "he made a mistake", "he misread signals"...

Firstly, Chloe had a drink too but I don't see anyone leaping to defend her 'overreaction' on booze, which I suspect was a factor. Taking this one step further, Jeremy's drunken behaviour hurt another person. Chloe's behaviour hurt who? Your earlobes?

Secondly and more importantly, in my world, when a bloke misreads signals (or doesn't bother trying to read them at all), he moves into your personal space, puts his hands on your arse or round your waist, tells you you're hot or he fancies you...that kind of thing.

What he doesn't do is go straight into pervy voyeur mode and open my clothing to cop a look at my breasts, out of nowhere with no flirty preamble or invite. In fact, even a bloke who HASN'T misread signals, who I actually like in return, doesn't do that (not without dinner and a movie first ) because it's not normal behaviour. It's not even normal drunk behaviour.

I keep trying to see it from Jeremy's perspective because I felt sorry for him later and it isn't like he actually physically groped her. But it wasn't just what he did but his justification afterward. Him thinking that she wanted that kind of action simply by dint of being there with him and wearing a dressing gown (which was long, modest and wrapped tightly round her).....that's plain wrong. So I'm glad for his sake that he's had a harsh lesson now cos that kind of warped thinking when drunk could get him into a world of trouble in future.

The last part of your post about him just doing what 50% of blokes would do is probably quite insulting, certainly to the men I've known. Hands up fellas, who's ever done this without at least a kiss first?

Is Jeremy going to replaced with a new celeb??

It's akin to saying you can't rape a prostitute.

What someone does for a living has nothing to do with consent or how you'd feel not having it.

Edit: I knew a sex worker who was raped and was no better equipped to deal with it than anyone. Like others, she blamed herself and felt she somehow asked for it, maybe even more than other victims would. We saw a bit of this creeping in with Chloe when she started to protest "just because I've done page 3..." (obviously its a MUCH less serious context), she was already starting to argue with herself. Thankfully Nadia put her right when she said the two are not linked.

I'm going to take a stab at ignorance and/or plain stupidity.

I don't post here very often but just wanted to say:

1) being drunk is no excuse for opening her gown and touching her breast
2) her job as a page 3 girl is completely irrelevant
3) Cami patted Calum's bottom but (presumably as I didn't see it) he was fully clothed and from what I can gather they were flirting so it's a little different

I think if he'd touched her breast through clothing he might have got away with a warning (although that is still unacceptable)

Because, according to some on here, the fact she's posed topless means her breasts are now public property and means she has no right to complain if men fancy copping a look or feel whenever it takes there fancy.

*Sighs*

I agree with this. People making out that men are basically out of control perverts with no emotional intelligence is an insult to the vast majority of normal guys. What guy would use a vomit situation, like you say, with no prior flirtation, as a chance to open someone's clothing? Was he hoping to get it on between spews? No normal guy I know.

Thank you so much for responding to my post, I appreciate that however I wish someone who believes that her profession is relevant would respond to offer an explanation for their thought processes.

In January 2013, the Ministry of Justice (MoJ), Office for National Statistics (ONS) and Home Office released its first ever joint Official Statistics bulletin on sexual violence, entitled An Overview of Sexual Offending in England and Wales.

It reported that:

Approximately 85,000 women are raped on average in England and Wales every year
Over 400,000 women are sexually assaulted each year
1 in 5 women (aged 16 - 59) has experienced some form of sexual violence since the age of 16.

Reading a lot of posts on here I'm not surprised by the figures.

I do not in anyway suggest Jeremy attempted to rape or Sexually assault Chloe. I do however think his behaviour was totally unacceptable and for his own well being and safety of others BB had no choice but to remove him.
The main reason people seem to be upset why he was removed appears to be more around watching a person who is obviously in a really bad place subjecting there selves to further humiliation and continuing to spiral back into alcoholism most probably causing themselves and other distress.
What a wonderful country we live in where others suffering is entertainment.

That's right1! Its called being human. So many perfect people on this board that obviously never do anything wrong or err in any way is frankly laughable.

This misses the point being made.

Seriously? So we can't criticise what he did because we're not perfect? So why do you criticise people? You certainly criticise the way people look. Obviously that means you're perfect looking.

i appreciate what i'm about to say will not sit easy with those who say woman can never do wrong in these situations and men are always to blame, but earlier i asked if there was video of this and the answer was no due to it being the bathroom. so, surely there is audio for everyone's protection? would the audio not give a clearer indication as to what actually happened? maybe it did, and maybe that's why the guy didn't put up too much resistance to being asked to leave. or maybe he was simply resigned to his fate i.e. no matter what i say i'm out of here ...

of course ANY form of unwelcome / unrequested physical contact is wrong, all i'm thinking is men can sometimes be up against it if a woman says 'he touched me' as, regardless of what actually happened behind closed doors, the approach these days seems to be to automatically focus on the guy rather than a balanced review of what happened from both peoples perspective.

I understand what you're saying but in this instance there's never been any debate about whether it actually happened or not as Jeremy immediately and freely admitted that he moved Chloe's robe to see her bikini.

The debate has been about Chloe's reaction and the degree to which Jeremy should be punished.

It's just a huge overreaction from BB and most people in here too if this thread is anything to go by. I'm a female and felt absolutely no such horror at his 'grope' or whatever it was he was meant to have done.....

Actually, just a small point, he's already seen her in a bikini, right? Curiosity never killed a cat who just wanted to see a bikini he'd already seen. He wanted to see if she was or wasn't wearing one, according to him. Personally, I think he was hoping to see naked boobs but there ya go.

I know, some of the comments on here are .

It's really shocking to me that people still think this way in 2015. A lot of people thinking because she was a page 3 girl she shouldn't be upset!!! And women having this view is so sad, we should be sticking together and supporting each other.

Just because a women takes her clothes off at a time when she feels comfortable, does not mean she can't feel threatened and upset if someone tries to remove her clothes. I actually feel sad I even had to type that, as it should be beyond obvious.

Her profession as such is not relevant. It's just that in any job where people are employed for their looks and/or physical attributes they need to be able to deal with the inevitable unwanted attention they are likely to get from certain elements. This woman completely freaked out as if it was something she had never in her life had to deal with before.

"Forcefully removed her clothing" suggests something rather more extreme that it seems actually happened.


Jeremy. Her reaction was most likely a factor in BB's decision to throw him out.

(I largely agree with the rest of your post, though.)

Maybe she hasn't have to deal with it, but even if she has it doesn't mean you can just accept it and brush it off. Plus whatever I think of page 3 I would assume it's a pretty professional operation these days. I'm sure the other tabloids would have pounced on the Sun if there was any indication of women being exploited.

i belive it should have been a warning but im entitled to that opinion, the old guy has been racist and hes still in afterall. us english people in general are too sensitive.

Growing up on Baywatch must have given him some strange ideas.

maybe the Rock... Chloe fanices him..

The Rock is way to big for BB. I'd like to see an out of work footballer go in.