Disgusted with this forum's reaction to Jeremy

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di60

10-01-2015

Originally Posted by Jon_Carke:
“I would have thought considering how "liberal" she was on Ex on the Beach - she was used to people admiring her for her body and men grabbing stuff whilst she was on night's out doing her PA work. I don't think it is right HOWEVER I think her reaction was perfect for TV, let's just say that. I am sure she has given other drunken men a slapped face and walked away but there are headlines to be had now.

And we still don't know what position she was in when it happened. Jeremy said he thought she was flirting which is why he did it.”

and an eviction to escape

scratchy23

10-01-2015

I sit and read the BB forums in disbelief a lot of the time. I cannot believe the vastly out-dated attitudes so many people have on here. It happened last series where people were making awful comments about Kellie Maloney and her transgender issues... now I'm reading posts and posts of people saying that a man sexually assaulting a woman is okay because she's a Page 3 model???

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!! Sexual assault is sexual assault. End of. No excuses, no get-outs, absolutely bottom line it cannot happen and should not happen and is inherently wrong. OF COURSE he deserved to be kicked out. OF COURSE Chloe had every right to be traumatised and feel unsafe. She was assaulted! A 'minor' sexual assault, but assault nonetheless. What else is there to say??

I'm going to have to stop coming here cos so many posts just fill me with anger and make me very sad that people still have such terrible attitudes about topics like these. Ridiculous.

Warp

10-01-2015

Originally Posted by di60:
“this sums up the whole thing very well imo”

It's not disproportionate though, she was alone in a room with a man who pulled her robe down, she was vulnerable and probably shocked he'd do such a thing. It's sexual assault.

ScreamingTree<3

10-01-2015

Originally Posted by allie4:
“Consider the evidence: he did NOT 'forcefully' remove her clothing. He got it wrong - he opened her dressing gown. He said he did not fondle her breasts or touch her skin.
I'm not defending him because I like him but because he is being vilified unfairly. He may be a nut case for all I know but C5 took him on and then kicked out a man who appears emotionally vulnerable on public TV. I think people should take a long hard look at themselves if they think tonight's fiasco was acceptable.”

Perfect Post!!!

Whedonite

10-01-2015

Originally Posted by ScreamingTree<3:
“She also chose to be in the loo with him with nothing under her robe. You simply don't stay in a loo with a drunken fool with nothing on under your robe... !!!
He deserved a slap and that's about it.
I think some people need to really take a good look around the pubs and clubs, drunk men and women doing something stupid, being told to back off and the night goes on.
He's not a rapist monster, he's not someone who pinned her to a wall, he didn't open her robe full throttle, he didn't go for her crotch. None of those things so, the lesson here is, don't stay behind with a drunken fool and if you do and things go wrong think about what actually happened and talk it out or deck him one.”

I'm not calling him a rapist. I'm simply not victim blaming, like you are. You said that you dislike blaming the victim, yet you're doing it. I thought he didn't know she was naked under the robe? Why does it matter? Do only women who aren't covered in layers receive unwanted attention?

If she does walk around half naked in the future, how does that make what Jeremy did any better? What's the relation? Women don't always start dressing like Nuns after being groped.

Sylvia

10-01-2015

Originally Posted by ScreamingTree<3:
“I am serious, a bra and knickers or bikini should have been worn! I've lived in shared accommodation due to work and unless you're fresh out of the shower you got your underwear on etc.
Lets face it, they're on tv, cameras everywhere and leery drunken men. I personally wouldn't have been without my underwear.”

I agree. Didn't poor old Gary Busey get a lot of flack for not having any underpants on under his trousers last time?

sofieellis

10-01-2015

His comments afterwards where he tried to pin the blame on Chloe were also disgusting. It was obvious from the audio that she was in no way flirting with him, but he was determined to dig his way out of the hole he had created, even if that meant pnning the blame on Chloe. It was akin to saying "she was wearing a short skirt, so she was asking for it".

Notaword

10-01-2015

Offs..... Does anyone live in the real world where reality tv and channel 5 does not ever meet....

Anightlikethis

10-01-2015

Originally Posted by ScreamingTree<3:
“He did something wrong, but she shouldn't have been walking round the house with nothing on under her robe.”

She could have been naked and he wouldn't have the right to behave that way.
Shocking!! This is all shocking!!

Scarlett Berry

10-01-2015

[quote=iMatt_101;76387013]LMFAO you're the one that called me a sensationalist and an attention seeker
And maybe don't post such crap then?
You seriously cannot call a drunken idiot ripping off another girls robe 'not forcefully removing her clothing'

And yes you did
Someone made a thread talking about wanting Katie Hopkins dead, and I said how ridiculous they were, and you were taking his side because of past comments Katie made[/QUOTE]

Oh I see you made an addendum to your original post, I will re-iterate again, I did not agee with anyone making comments wishing Katie dead, what part of that are you not getting.

Julian-Freak

10-01-2015

Originally Posted by Sylvia:
“The two situations are not at all comparable. Daley was really scary and threatened Hazel with actual physical violence. I know which of the two most women would have felt more capable of dealing with.”

I wasn't talking about the two being comparable. I was talking about the FM's reactions about the girl being to blame and no compromise in between.

Natgar

10-01-2015

Well as you should know if you rape or kill someone when you are drunk , no defence in law, if you sexually assault someone the same. And do you expect BB to wait until they actually see a rape before they do something. I really feel so disappointed in humans these days, be t thing they will be saying is date rape is not rape if the perpetrator was drunk and the other party actually went on a date with them. how do you think, things progress to that stage? Ahh, he is drunk he fondled my boob and threw of my clothes, he is drunk.. I am overreacting as some of the DSforum members say. Ooh now he took of his trousers and is naked, but he is drunk and as a page 3 girl I am overreacting...and on and on. Some of the views on here really shock me , it's like going back in time.

I am a mature female and am shocked that people blame the girl. you as a male or female should be able to play volleyball on a nude beach without giving anyone the right to touch you.

NaughtyNan

10-01-2015

Originally Posted by Notaword:
“Oh please I never said he touched her boobs..... Only that whatever happened during her time comforting him is that she left upset by what happened. I was actually defending her being upset and was by no means justifying jermanys treatment of her behind closed doors”

Do you actually read what you post at least once? because you are contradicting yourself here.

Steveinsussex

10-01-2015

Originally Posted by Scarlett Berry:
“I will say this only once, do not now or EVER question my moral compass. How bloody dare you. Do not now or ever make personal defamatory insults to me. Debate all you want, up for that, but do not resort to petty lies and insults.

I most certainly did not support anyone wishing Katie dead either. So lets make that clear whilst were at it.

I love a good old debate but will not accept puerile crap from you on anyone. especailly you who went off on a tangent about a vt that you clearly didn't watch ...it was reference to George Galloway & you went on a tirade about George GILBY... so lets just say your comprehension is skewed or you are unable to get your facts straight.”

I will question your moral compass if you do not condemn something that could be classed as sexual assault

If you post that you you do not believe he should have been thrown out then expect people to question you on it. If you think its ok then try it on someone in the street and see what happens

Javed

10-01-2015

Originally Posted by scratchy23:
“I sit and read the BB forums in disbelief a lot of the time. I cannot believe the vastly out-dated attitudes so many people have on here. It happened last series where people were making awful comments about Kellie Maloney and her transgender issues... now I'm reading posts and posts of people saying that a man sexually assaulting a woman is okay because she's a Page 3 model???

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!! Sexual assault is sexual assault. End of. No excuses, no get-outs, absolutely bottom line it cannot happen and should not happen and is inherently wrong. OF COURSE he deserved to be kicked out. OF COURSE Chloe had every right to be traumatised and feel unsafe. She was assaulted! A 'minor' sexual assault, but assault nonetheless. What else is there to say??

I'm going to have to stop coming here cos so many posts just fill me with anger and make me very sad that people still have such terrible attitudes about topics like these. Ridiculous.”

Yup. Exactly this!

ScreamingTree<3

10-01-2015

Originally Posted by Whedonite:
“I'm not calling him a rapist. I'm simply not victim blaming, like you are. You said that you dislike blaming the victim, yet you're doing it. I thought he didn't know she was naked under the robe? Why does it matter? Do only women who aren't covered in layers receive unwanted attention?

If she does walk around half naked in the future, how does that make what Jeremy did any better? What's the relation? Women don't always start dressing like Nuns after being groped.”

I am not victim blaming, you and some others are choosing to say I am, in the end she has to take responsibility for her own actions like he has. Neither are blameless.

FrankieFixer

10-01-2015

It's like a competition to see who can be the most offended and outraged about a dressing gown being opened.

Twinkle toes no

10-01-2015

Originally Posted by Steveinsussex:
“I will question your moral compass if you do not condemn something that could be classed as sexual assault

If you post that you you do not believe he should have been thrown out then expect people to question you on it. If you think its ok then try it on someone in the street and see what happens”

There was no sexual assault.

Scarlett Berry

10-01-2015

Originally Posted by Natgar:
“Any moral co pass which excuses the behaviour of Jeremeyis in actual fact questionable. TG the law agrees, because the average reasonable person knows that a persons right to their own body is sacred.”

Where did I excuse Jeremy's behaviour.

I was answering the OP's quite frankly ludicrious remarks made to me.

Javed

10-01-2015

Exactly! So disgusting that people are actually blaming her. He had no business going there. Even the other housemates and Jeremy himself recognise that simple fact. What is wrong with you people??

lady*tara

10-01-2015

Originally Posted by Concretepigsy:
“You clearly don't understand BB rules. Denise Welch done exactly the same thing last year and won

Men can't be sexually assaulted it seems”

she was helping him ffs whats wrong with people today.he is nuts and should never have been let in,she did nothing wrong but help the nutjob.

di60

10-01-2015

Originally Posted by Warp:
“It's not disproportionate though, she was alone in a room with a man who pulled her robe down, she was vulnerable and probably shocked he'd do such a thing. It's sexual assault.”

Originally Posted by scratchy23:
“I sit and read the BB forums in disbelief a lot of the time. I cannot believe the vastly out-dated attitudes so many people have on here. It happened last series where people were making awful comments about Kellie Maloney and her transgender issues... now I'm reading posts and posts of people saying that a man sexually assaulting a woman is okay because she's a Page 3 model???

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!! Sexual assault is sexual assault. End of. No excuses, no get-outs, absolutely bottom line it cannot happen and should not happen and is inherently wrong. OF COURSE he deserved to be kicked out. OF COURSE Chloe had every right to be traumatised and feel unsafe. She was assaulted! A 'minor' sexual assault, but assault nonetheless. What else is there to say??

I'm going to have to stop coming here cos so many posts just fill me with anger and make me very sad that people still have such terrible attitudes about topics like these. Ridiculous.”

Now that you have witnessed this "sexual assault".... what are you doing about it.... apart from your displays of outrage on this forum.... have you carried out your public duty and reported it to the Police..... isn't that what you do when you witness a "sexual assault"?

Natgar

10-01-2015

I agree, it's antiquated ideas like these that allow people like Jimmy Saville to get away with it for so long.

Javed

10-01-2015

Originally Posted by ScreamingTree<3:
“I am not victim blaming, you and some others are choosing to say I am, in the end she has to take responsibility for her own actions like he has. Neither are blameless.”

Chloe did nothing wrong here.

Kitty Wrinkle

10-01-2015

Originally Posted by Cornchips:
“Whilst I have some sympathy for Jeremy in that he should never have been in there in the first place, I find his behaviour towards Chloe unacceptable. He touched her without permission, in a sexual way and she was clearly upset by it.

Would I have reacted in the same way as Chloe did? Probably not although my reaction would have been to smack him one and then we both would have been kicked out. However I do think Chloe's reaction to it is justified and what might be considered within reasonable limits of the way someone might react.

Perez in the other hand is a complete arse.”

Cornchips, telling it like it is since 2004. I completely agree with everything you've said.

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