I agree. Poor Chloe.
Disgusted with this forum's reaction to Jeremy
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Originally Posted by di60:
“PHONE THE POLICE instead of trying to enlighten forum members as to the legalities of the situation”
“PHONE THE POLICE instead of trying to enlighten forum members as to the legalities of the situation”
You do know this is an online discussion forum, right?
Originally Posted by Julian-Freak:
“Agreed.
The Hazel and Daley debates on this forum made me leave for a while and it seems to be getting worse.
Jeremy should not have done what he did. Okay , he was drunk , but his reasoning afterwards was beyond belief. Just like Daley's.
The opinions of some towards the females on this forum sicken me.
Thank goodness Viacom had the intelligence to boot him.”
“Agreed.
The Hazel and Daley debates on this forum made me leave for a while and it seems to be getting worse.
Jeremy should not have done what he did. Okay , he was drunk , but his reasoning afterwards was beyond belief. Just like Daley's.
The opinions of some towards the females on this forum sicken me.
Thank goodness Viacom had the intelligence to boot him.”
Their probably upset as they can't vote for Jeremy due to his popularity on Baywatch. Very Tory like attitude to have.
Originally Posted by ScreamingTree<3:
“I disapprove of the victim blaming nonsense here today, they both made mistakes, he is paying the price for it. He did something wrong, but she shouldn't have been walking round the house with nothing on under her robe.
He didn't force himself on her and for sure in days to come she'll be frolicking round the house half naked with her bust on display flirting up a storm but that will be ok cos that's her choice?!
Drunk man alone in loo with an attractive female... he didn't grope her, he didn't pin her to a wall and force himself on her. He made a stupid drunken mistake.”
“I disapprove of the victim blaming nonsense here today, they both made mistakes, he is paying the price for it. He did something wrong, but she shouldn't have been walking round the house with nothing on under her robe.
He didn't force himself on her and for sure in days to come she'll be frolicking round the house half naked with her bust on display flirting up a storm but that will be ok cos that's her choice?!
Drunk man alone in loo with an attractive female... he didn't grope her, he didn't pin her to a wall and force himself on her. He made a stupid drunken mistake.”
Well said. I'm so tired tonight to get into the conversation as I'm unwell, but you have said exactly my thoughts
Originally Posted by Warp:
“He touched her robe which exposed her boob.”
“He touched her robe which exposed her boob.”
So according to the quote in your previous post, he didn't sexually assault her like. Thanks for explaining.
Originally Posted by ScreamingTree<3:
“I am not victim blaming, you and some others are choosing to say I am, in the end she has to take responsibility for her own actions like he has. Neither are blameless.”
“I am not victim blaming, you and some others are choosing to say I am, in the end she has to take responsibility for her own actions like he has. Neither are blameless.”
This goes back to eve tempting Adam In the garden of Eden. Men are in control of their own actions at all times. If they choose to drink so much that they no longer have control then they have chosen that course for themselves. Chloe could have been completely naked. He still had no right to touch her and should still have been able to control himself. Chloe did nothing to warrant such attention from him. She neither asked for it nor gave him permission to do it. Are men generally so weak of character that women not only have to take responsibility for what they themselves do but also should take responsibility for what men might do in the face of a female body not fully clothed?
Originally Posted by ScreamingTree<3:
“I am not victim blaming, you and some others are choosing to say I am, in the end she has to take responsibility for her own actions like he has. Neither are blameless.”
“I am not victim blaming, you and some others are choosing to say I am, in the end she has to take responsibility for her own actions like he has. Neither are blameless.”
So why did you ask if it would be suddenly ok for her to walk around half naked by choice?
She didn't do anything. She was wearing a robe near a tipsy guy. So what? If she had on a dress that could be removed with a tug and nothing underneath, would that make it partly her fault? Surely the dress would be thinner?
Originally Posted by Javed:
“You do know this is an online discussion forum, right?”
“You do know this is an online discussion forum, right?”
and during this discussion, it has come to light that a number of forum members have witnessed a crime... the perpetrator of this crime is now on the streets
It makes me sad the grown adults look to blame the victim and say 'is that all he done?'
Maybe we should have waited until he really did force himself on her, that would have been far more entertaining eh
ffs
Maybe we should have waited until he really did force himself on her, that would have been far more entertaining eh
ffs
Originally Posted by di60:
“and during this discussion, it has come to light that a number of forum members have witnessed a crime... the perpetrator of this crime is now on the streets”
“and during this discussion, it has come to light that a number of forum members have witnessed a crime... the perpetrator of this crime is now on the streets”
You obviously didnt watch the show as if you did you would know the above is impossible
Originally Posted by Natgar:
“So neing drunk excuses the behaviour and how do you think it always starts. aww I felt you up.. Now a bit more etc.. People like you shock me with your ideas that touching anyone is acceptable behaviour if they have not permitted it. As a child we learn this at school, it's not acceptable it I had no idea alcohol was thepermittable exception.”
“So neing drunk excuses the behaviour and how do you think it always starts. aww I felt you up.. Now a bit more etc.. People like you shock me with your ideas that touching anyone is acceptable behaviour if they have not permitted it. As a child we learn this at school, it's not acceptable it I had no idea alcohol was thepermittable exception.”
People like me? what does that mean? Generalizing much?
Originally Posted by End-Em-All:
“So according to the quote in your previous post, he didn't sexually assault her like. Thanks for explaining.”
“So according to the quote in your previous post, he didn't sexually assault her like. Thanks for explaining.”
Of course he did, he exposed her breasts by touching her clothing about her person, that's sexual assault. If you just pulled up a womans top on the street that would be sexual assault to, there's no difference.
Originally Posted by HBB:
“Nonsense, he did s stupid inappropriate thing, no question.
She massively overreacted , no question”
“Nonsense, he did s stupid inappropriate thing, no question.
She massively overreacted , no question”
I have to say I agree.
Originally Posted by Steveinsussex:
“It makes me sad the grown adults look to blame the victim and say 'is that all he done?'
Maybe we should have waited until he really did force himself on her, that would have been far more entertaining eh
ffs”
“It makes me sad the grown adults look to blame the victim and say 'is that all he done?'
Maybe we should have waited until he really did force himself on her, that would have been far more entertaining eh
ffs”
Yes he should be hung drawn and quartered.
Originally Posted by Steveinsussex:
“You obviously didnt watch the show as if you did you would know the above is impossible”
“You obviously didnt watch the show as if you did you would know the above is impossible”
what's impossible
Originally Posted by Notaword:
“Yep I do........I however do not let the heightened emotion of the show that channel 5 are exposing to the public affect my view on the situation. I have expressed an opinion that Chloe went and tried in vain to comfort jermany whom I expressed in othe threads is troubled and needs help and therapy and hope he gets it. I am also not some naive Young fool that has not witnessed what some would do to further themselves. I did not state that was what Chloe had done and even I would express the point that i didnot even imply that view. Chloe will rightly or wrongly have those that think she encouraged or not the attentions of the male form. As a female I believe it is how WE deal with it that is the key....I in this instance believe Chloe when she implied that she did not encourage jermany to open her robe""..................so where your attack on me is coming from I have no idea maybe you should read further that the first two words and maybe you will get it.............good luck with that.”
“Yep I do........I however do not let the heightened emotion of the show that channel 5 are exposing to the public affect my view on the situation. I have expressed an opinion that Chloe went and tried in vain to comfort jermany whom I expressed in othe threads is troubled and needs help and therapy and hope he gets it. I am also not some naive Young fool that has not witnessed what some would do to further themselves. I did not state that was what Chloe had done and even I would express the point that i didnot even imply that view. Chloe will rightly or wrongly have those that think she encouraged or not the attentions of the male form. As a female I believe it is how WE deal with it that is the key....I in this instance believe Chloe when she implied that she did not encourage jermany to open her robe""..................so where your attack on me is coming from I have no idea maybe you should read further that the first two words and maybe you will get it.............good luck with that.”
Really?!! ok.
please read your posts once at least Notaword,
Originally Posted by NaughtyNan:
“People like me? what does that mean? Generalizing much?”
“People like me? what does that mean? Generalizing much?
”
No not generalising at all, note if you read my post. people who excuse sexual assault shock me but then again I respect the law and people's right over their own body.
Originally Posted by Warp:
“Of course he did, he exposed her breasts by touching her clothing about her person, that's sexual assault. If you just pulled up a womans top on the street that would be sexual assault to, there's no difference.”
“Of course he did, he exposed her breasts by touching her clothing about her person, that's sexual assault. If you just pulled up a womans top on the street that would be sexual assault to, there's no difference.”
Context! Had he known she was naked underneath, that just might pass the "sexual assault" test but he says he didn't know. I also don't believe that being drunk is an excuse for bad behaviour.
Originally Posted by NaughtyNan:
“Do you actually read what you post at least once? because you are contradicting yourself here.”
“Do you actually read what you post at least once? because you are contradicting yourself here.”
Oh shite I just replied to an earlier post thinking that I was being misjudged because I was not whole heartedly defending the female and what the fuc* k it seems I was not on 'team jermany '........ God shoot me now.
Originally Posted by NaughtyNan:
“People like me? what does that mean? Generalizing much?”
“People like me? what does that mean? Generalizing much?
”
to reiterate your opinion and those similar to yours shock me, happy?
Originally Posted by End-Em-All:
“Context! Had he known she was naked underneath, that just might pass the "sexual assault" test but he says he didn't know. I also don't believe that being drunk is an excuse for bad behaviour.”
“Context! Had he known she was naked underneath, that just might pass the "sexual assault" test but he says he didn't know. I also don't believe that being drunk is an excuse for bad behaviour.”
It's still sexual assault no matter what is beneath the robe, he shouldn't of touched her without her permission. Being curious to see what is under a woman's robe is not an adequate excuse it's still sexual assault.
Originally Posted by Natgar:
“No not generalising at all, note if you read my post. people who excuse sexual assault shock me but then again I respect the law and people's right over their own body.”
“No not generalising at all, note if you read my post. people who excuse sexual assault shock me but then again I respect the law and people's right over their own body.”
People like me take each example on its own merit, not generalizing. You should do that sometimes, its a GOOD thing.
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