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If it had been Callum who made the comments, all the little "girlies" in there would have been laughing and giggling over it, and you know deep down inside that that's correct.
That girl didnt even want his arm around her the other day |
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My only problem with him was the 'jokes' to Alexander. I do not think he is necessarily racist - he was joking. But it was still inappropriate.
As far as his comments to the girls - if Calum would have said the same thing.. I would bet money - the girls not only would NOT be offended, but they likely would be laughing at him. I also think Calum wouldn't have been thrown out over dressing gown-gate. Personally I think he is bored right now and just wants to troll all of them.. and it would be sort of amusing to me - if that is really his goal.. but the conversation with Alexander was just really cringy and uncomfortable to watch. |
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Absolutely agree. How anyone can defend him and use his age as an excuse, I really don't know. He's 71, not 101. My mum is older than him and has never spoken in that way, so his age is no excuse.
If he's maybe been talking about Alexander in general conversation and said coloured rather than black, then his age could have been used as an excuse but, the language and the context that he used - no way excusable He was in a panto in Ipswich three years ago. I took my two granddaughters to one of the performances and Morley was disinterested and lacklustre. From what I saw of him that day he will be no loss to the world of theatre and entertainment. He is not representative of people of my age. |
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Being a man who is rather familiar with both going out, consuming alcohol and attractive women, I still know full well what is acceptable and what is not.
I have as much red blood as the next testosterone fuelled chap but I somehow manage to control my cave man animaliistic instincts and resist groping, touching up or exposing women's breasts on nights out without their permission. Anyone who suggests that men will be men or that we cannot help ourselves is talking out of their apologist, excuse making behind. Why are we living in a fairytale bubble? |
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I completely agree, and very sensible comment. But in the same context, if we are to believe equality for all ages and sexes, then we should accept a 70 year old mans right to say this to young women.
If we dont accept this, then we must also accept that not all sexes and ages are equal. Which I personally believe to be true. Hence, when a sexual innuendo comes from the lips of someone who is a long way from an ideal of human perfection, the less well it is received. |
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I must admit, I'm a little confused about the way the younger women wear next to nothing, then complain when men look and/or comment about them.
I'm not saying they should dress in nun's habits but why on earth would anyone "dress" the way Cami does if they didn't want, or at least expect people to look at her boobs? |
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There's no such thing as equality really. We can pass laws to move towards an ideal of equality, but that's all it is, an ideal. Fact is, saggy flesh is not as nice to look at as firm flesh. Again, it's biologically programmed into us, right down to the more anatomically perfect people are, the more attractive they are as mates.
Hence, when a sexual innuendo comes from the lips of someone who is a long way from an ideal of human perfection, the less well it is received. |
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Agree with you comment about how Alexander handled the situation but totally disagree with the other bit. If it had been Callum who made the comments, all the little "girlies" in there would have been laughing and giggling over it, and you know deep down inside that that's correct.
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This bloke is clearly trolling
If he isn't? Heaven help him Look how cool Calum and Michelle were with his joke towards them.. Why are the nudie models and actresses -- always the most over-dramatic about sexual jokes? |
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I must admit, I'm a little confused about the way the younger women wear next to nothing, then complain when men look.
I'm not saying they should dress in nun's habits but why on earth would anyone "dress" the way Cami does if they didn't want, or at least expect people to look at her boobs? I believe women have a responsibility to, if they do not like sexual comments, then dont dress in a way that sexualises your entire image. Men have a higher sex drive than women.... I know many women will be shocked by this comment, but it appears we all live in a society that think with their heart, and not with their head. |
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I must admit, I'm a little confused about the way the younger women wear next to nothing, then complain when men look and/or comment about them.
I'm not saying they should dress in nun's habits but why on earth would anyone "dress" the way Cami does if they didn't want, or at least expect people to look at her boobs? Presumably they only want to be looked at by people they deem worthy enough
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I must admit, I'm a little confused about the way the younger women wear next to nothing, then complain when men look and/or comment about them.
I'm not saying they should dress in nun's habits but why on earth would anyone "dress" the way Cami does if they didn't want, or at least expect people to look at her boobs? It would be the same if Cami was calling Ken fat.......should we place the onus on Ken to lose weight or should Cami keep her opinion to herself? |
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These women think dressing in thongs gives them the right to flaunt themselves infront of men all day, and then never expect any comments made towards them.
I believe women have a responsibility to, if they do not like sexual comments, then dont dress in a way that sexualises your entire image. Men have a higher sex drive than women.... I know many women will be shocked by this comment, but it appears we all live in a society that think with their heart, and not with their head. |
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To be fair I think it was the being called half whore that bothered her. None of the girls have suggested no one can look at them. Just that they keep their rude opinions and hands to themselves.
It would be the same if Cami was calling Ken fat.......should we place the onus on Ken to lose weight or should Cami keep her opinion to herself? As for the 'slut' comment... A difficult one, I dont agree he should have said that, but deep down I agreed with him. He probably should have kept it to himself though. But most people complaining are hypocrites, since i see worse comments online. |
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To be fair I think it was the being called half whore that bothered her dress
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I'm a bit at a loss with that one as well.
Presumably they only want to be looked at by people they deem worthy enough ![]()
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Please tell me this is a joke. So women must modify their choice of clothing because men are helpless? If this is true why is only Ken making these comments? Why not all the other men as well?
Women these days feel entitled to many things, and its getting ridiculous. I am not saying they should wear burqas, but if you are uncomfortable with men looking, then cover the bits you dont want seen... |
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He was talking about her dress. This was mentioned several times.
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He was talking about her dress. This was mentioned several times.
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I'm disgsuted that people would try and defend him just because he's older and hypothetically you think a younger good looking male would get away with it :/ His behaviour was vile, "trolling" or not. It's not ageism that Calum flirting with a girl who likes him back is more acceptable than a 72 year old letch perving over girls who could be his granddaughters. And the racism, even if it was a joke, shouldn't be tolerated.
I'm sure if Cami had said that to Alexander this forum would explode. Knowing Britain's horrible choices with BB, ken will be in the final and probably win. |
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Well yes, sometimes we can suggest others to lose weight depending on the situation and the context of the conversation. If no-one ever made these kinds of comments, then we would not have gone far in life.
As for the 'slut' comment... A difficult one, I dont agree he should have said that, but deep down I agreed with him. He probably should have kept it to himself though. But most people complaining are hypocrites, since i see worse comments online. |
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Agree with you comment about how Alexander handled the situation but totally disagree with the other bit. If it had been Callum who made the comments, all the little "girlies" in there would have been laughing and giggling over it, and you know deep down inside that that's correct.
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It would be the same if Cami was calling Ken fat.......should we place the onus on Ken to lose weight or should Cami keep her opinion to herself?
Dressing in a dishcloth is a choice. Ken doesn't choose to put his belly on each morning, it's just there. |
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Yes, I believe we all play a part in society. There have been many social experiments (on YouTube too), where depending on how a woman dresses, men look, or get nervous around them.
Women these days feel entitled to many things, and its getting ridiculous. I am not saying they should wear burqas, but if you are uncomfortable with men looking, then cover the bits you dont want seen... |
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Not quite.
Dressing in a dishcloth is a choice. Ken doesn't choose to put his belly on each morning, it's just there. |
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Perfect. It's one rule for one,and one rule for another
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