What did Ken do which was so bad? (Ageism)

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peterstone

11-01-2015

Originally Posted by John_Daryl:
“If it had been Callum who made the comments, all the little "girlies" in there would have been laughing and giggling over it, and you know deep down inside that that's correct.”

Not sure about that.

That girl didnt even want his arm around her the other day

dash234

11-01-2015

My only problem with him was the 'jokes' to Alexander. I do not think he is necessarily racist - he was joking. But it was still inappropriate.

As far as his comments to the girls - if Calum would have said the same thing.. I would bet money - the girls not only would NOT be offended, but they likely would be laughing at him. I also think Calum wouldn't have been thrown out over dressing gown-gate.

Personally I think he is bored right now and just wants to troll all of them.. and it would be sort of amusing to me - if that is really his goal.. but the conversation with Alexander was just really cringy and uncomfortable to watch.

Silver Tractor

11-01-2015

Originally Posted by Blondie X:
“Absolutely agree. How anyone can defend him and use his age as an excuse, I really don't know. He's 71, not 101. My mum is older than him and has never spoken in that way, so his age is no excuse.

If he's maybe been talking about Alexander in general conversation and said coloured rather than black, then his age could have been used as an excuse but, the language and the context that he used - no way excusable”

I am about the same age as Morley and am disgusted at his behaviour. He admitted on the show that his career is over and he just wants to get kicked out of the BB house so he take the money and run.

He was in a panto in Ipswich three years ago. I took my two granddaughters to one of the performances and Morley was disinterested and lacklustre. From what I saw of him that day he will be no loss to the world of theatre and entertainment.

He is not representative of people of my age.

chackalacka1234

11-01-2015

Originally Posted by Diabolus:
“Being a man who is rather familiar with both going out, consuming alcohol and attractive women, I still know full well what is acceptable and what is not.

I have as much red blood as the next testosterone fuelled chap but I somehow manage to control my cave man animaliistic instincts and resist groping, touching up or exposing women's breasts on nights out without their permission.

Anyone who suggests that men will be men or that we cannot help ourselves is talking out of their apologist, excuse making behind.”

The point is, a lot of men do not have enough sense to not make comments like that.

Why are we living in a fairytale bubble?

Reality Sucks

11-01-2015

Originally Posted by chackalacka1234:
“I completely agree, and very sensible comment. But in the same context, if we are to believe equality for all ages and sexes, then we should accept a 70 year old mans right to say this to young women.

If we dont accept this, then we must also accept that not all sexes and ages are equal. Which I personally believe to be true.”

There's no such thing as equality really. We can pass laws to move towards an ideal of equality, but that's all it is, an ideal. Fact is, saggy flesh is not as nice to look at as firm flesh. Again, it's biologically programmed into us, right down to the more anatomically perfect people are, the more attractive they are as mates.

Hence, when a sexual innuendo comes from the lips of someone who is a long way from an ideal of human perfection, the less well it is received.

JonDoe

11-01-2015

I must admit, I'm a little confused about the way the younger women wear next to nothing, then complain when men look and/or comment about them.

I'm not saying they should dress in nun's habits but why on earth would anyone "dress" the way Cami does if they didn't want, or at least expect people to look at her boobs?

chackalacka1234

11-01-2015

Originally Posted by Reality Sucks:
“There's no such thing as equality really. We can pass laws to move towards an ideal of equality, but that's all it is, an ideal. Fact is, saggy flesh is not as nice to look at as firm flesh. Again, it's biologically programmed into us, right down to the more anatomically perfect people are, the more attractive they are as mates.

Hence, when a sexual innuendo comes from the lips of someone who is a long way from an ideal of human perfection, the less well it is received.”

Agreed.

dash234

11-01-2015

Originally Posted by John_Daryl:
“Agree with you comment about how Alexander handled the situation but totally disagree with the other bit. If it had been Callum who made the comments, all the little "girlies" in there would have been laughing and giggling over it, and you know deep down inside that that's correct.”

Sorry, I missed this before I made my comment. I agree - if Calum would have said this stuff.. it would totally be a different story.

Originally Posted by peterstone:
“This bloke is clearly trolling

If he isn't?

Heaven help him”

Yes, he is.. which would have made him the perfect housemate (IMO)... but that comment to Alexander was OTT.. otherwise, I would be rooting for him right now, because I think it is funny to see him troll them all.

Look how cool Calum and Michelle were with his joke towards them.. Why are the nudie models and actresses -- always the most over-dramatic about sexual jokes?

chackalacka1234

11-01-2015

Originally Posted by JonDoe:
“I must admit, I'm a little confused about the way the younger women wear next to nothing, then complain when men look.

I'm not saying they should dress in nun's habits but why on earth would anyone "dress" the way Cami does if they didn't want, or at least expect people to look at her boobs?”

These women think dressing in thongs gives them the right to flaunt themselves infront of men all day, and then never expect any comments made towards them.

I believe women have a responsibility to, if they do not like sexual comments, then dont dress in a way that sexualises your entire image. Men have a higher sex drive than women....

I know many women will be shocked by this comment, but it appears we all live in a society that think with their heart, and not with their head.

cavalli

11-01-2015

Originally Posted by JonDoe:
“I must admit, I'm a little confused about the way the younger women wear next to nothing, then complain when men look and/or comment about them.

I'm not saying they should dress in nun's habits but why on earth would anyone "dress" the way Cami does if they didn't want, or at least expect people to look at her boobs?”

I'm a bit at a loss with that one as well.

Presumably they only want to be looked at by people they deem worthy enough

fifilapew

11-01-2015

To be fair I think it was the being called half whore that bothered her. None of the girls have suggested no one can look at them. Just that they keep their rude opinions and hands to themselves.

It would be the same if Cami was calling Ken fat.......should we place the onus on Ken to lose weight or should Cami keep her opinion to herself?

SnowStorm86

11-01-2015

Originally Posted by chackalacka1234:
“These women think dressing in thongs gives them the right to flaunt themselves infront of men all day, and then never expect any comments made towards them.

I believe women have a responsibility to, if they do not like sexual comments, then dont dress in a way that sexualises your entire image. Men have a higher sex drive than women....

I know many women will be shocked by this comment, but it appears we all live in a society that think with their heart, and not with their head.”

Please tell me this is a joke. So women must modify their choice of clothing because men are helpless? If this is true why is only Ken making these comments? Why not all the other men as well?

chackalacka1234

11-01-2015

Originally Posted by fifilapew:
“To be fair I think it was the being called half whore that bothered her. None of the girls have suggested no one can look at them. Just that they keep their rude opinions and hands to themselves.

It would be the same if Cami was calling Ken fat.......should we place the onus on Ken to lose weight or should Cami keep her opinion to herself?”

Well yes, sometimes we can suggest others to lose weight depending on the situation and the context of the conversation. If no-one ever made these kinds of comments, then we would not have gone far in life.

As for the 'slut' comment... A difficult one, I dont agree he should have said that, but deep down I agreed with him. He probably should have kept it to himself though. But most people complaining are hypocrites, since i see worse comments online.

JonDoe

11-01-2015

Originally Posted by fifilapew:
“To be fair I think it was the being called half whore that bothered her dress”

He was talking about her dress. This was mentioned several times.

JonDoe

11-01-2015

Originally Posted by cavalli:
“I'm a bit at a loss with that one as well.

Presumably they only want to be looked at by people they deem worthy enough ”

I suppose it could be a power thing.

chackalacka1234

11-01-2015

Originally Posted by SnowStorm86:
“Please tell me this is a joke. So women must modify their choice of clothing because men are helpless? If this is true why is only Ken making these comments? Why not all the other men as well?”

Yes, I believe we all play a part in society. There have been many social experiments (on YouTube too), where depending on how a woman dresses, men look, or get nervous around them.

Women these days feel entitled to many things, and its getting ridiculous. I am not saying they should wear burqas, but if you are uncomfortable with men looking, then cover the bits you dont want seen...

What name??

11-01-2015

Originally Posted by JonDoe:
“He was talking about her dress. This was mentioned several times.”

That doesn't actually make it better. It's pretty warped to think that any woman who isn't covered is a whore too.

fifilapew

11-01-2015

Originally Posted by JonDoe:
“He was talking about her dress. This was mentioned several times.”

I still don't think referring to anything on a woman as whorish is ever going to go down well is it?

09beyoncefan

11-01-2015

I'm disgsuted that people would try and defend him just because he's older and hypothetically you think a younger good looking male would get away with it :/ His behaviour was vile, "trolling" or not. It's not ageism that Calum flirting with a girl who likes him back is more acceptable than a 72 year old letch perving over girls who could be his granddaughters. And the racism, even if it was a joke, shouldn't be tolerated.

I'm sure if Cami had said that to Alexander this forum would explode. Knowing Britain's horrible choices with BB, ken will be in the final and probably win.

fifilapew

11-01-2015

Originally Posted by chackalacka1234:
“Well yes, sometimes we can suggest others to lose weight depending on the situation and the context of the conversation. If no-one ever made these kinds of comments, then we would not have gone far in life.

As for the 'slut' comment... A difficult one, I dont agree he should have said that, but deep down I agreed with him. He probably should have kept it to himself though. But most people complaining are hypocrites, since i see worse comments online.”

Sometimes, yes. Normally it would be acceptable from a close friend or family member though not a random man that has no interest in your well being.

mickmars

11-01-2015

Perfect. It's one rule for one,and one rule for another

JonDoe

11-01-2015

Originally Posted by fifilapew:
“It would be the same if Cami was calling Ken fat.......should we place the onus on Ken to lose weight or should Cami keep her opinion to herself?”

Not quite.

Dressing in a dishcloth is a choice. Ken doesn't choose to put his belly on each morning, it's just there.

fifilapew

11-01-2015

Originally Posted by chackalacka1234:
“Yes, I believe we all play a part in society. There have been many social experiments (on YouTube too), where depending on how a woman dresses, men look, or get nervous around them.

Women these days feel entitled to many things, and its getting ridiculous. I am not saying they should wear burqas, but if you are uncomfortable with men looking, then cover the bits you dont want seen...”

As I said previously, the girls have no issue with people looking at them. A woman wanting to look attractive doesnt deserve to have abusive comments made to her, especially when you consider this is essentially a workplace for them all.

fifilapew

11-01-2015

Originally Posted by JonDoe:
“Not quite.

Dressing in a dishcloth is a choice. Ken doesn't choose to put his belly on each morning, it's just there.”

He could lose weight. He also chooses to wear, IMO, hideous clothes, I wouldn't feel entitled to tell him that though as I respect his choice to wear them.

fifilapew

11-01-2015

Originally Posted by mickmars:
“Perfect. It's one rule for one,and one rule for another”

I disagree none of the men in there would get away with making the sort of remarks Ken has been making.

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