Vile man but controversial, the show to me would be boring without controversial characters and i quite enjoyed him winding up the younger housemates who will be insufferable in their own little clicks.

Btw Calum is a horrible fence sitter, those kind of housemates are much worse.

Well, I wouldn't say it to my mother.

I can't imagine why anyone would dress like a prostitute if they weren't one. The reaction they would expect is way beyond my understanding.

I think I'd just go and talk to Cheggers about the 80s.........Rubik's cubes or whatever.

You do realise that there is a world of difference in someone looking and someone going out of their way to say or do inappropriate things, regardless of what a women man be wearing? You get this right?

To look at, and admire or fancy attractive women is normal. To harass, grope, manhandle, cat call, slut shame or anything else along any of these lines, much less so.

It's not a tricky one this.

X2, nothing to do with age. Any male hm would be looked at in the same manner.

No, it wasn't always deemed offensive. Like many words, it has a long and complicated history, in this case going back at least 400 years. But it was obviously drawn from an offensive context when he used it.

You acknowledged the comment was about the dress in the first sentence. Then forgot it again in the second.

No one said anyone was a whore.

l meant the OP was trolling, not Ken.

Ken's just an idiot

Give it a rest.

If Ken wore a pair of Speedos for the day, the whole forum would be making defamatory comments about him.

I think if he did that and Cami told him he looked like a fat pig then she would rightfully be called out on it, on here and in the house.

Eta, I think the was Cami dresses is awful and borderline obscene but that doesn't give me the right to harass her and call her names.

It's been obvious from the start that Morley has been playing a game - no one innocently walks around empty rooms reciting stuff and commenting out loud as he examines each object. He isn't anywhere near as witty or inventive enough to be the 'character' he wants to seem, and he appears to have no real idea as to how to be controversial except to say whatever comes into his head, no matter how stupid, banal, silly or clumsy or offensive it is. You can't even say it's ill-judged because I really doubt he even judges these things before saying them. He's a very shallow performer straining for effect, and only cynicism would make the producers keen to keep him in rather than chuck him out. They must have known full well how he was going to act, so the mock-outrage they now show is almost as pathetic as his own childish antics.

I don't think saying that someone's outfit looks like something a prostitute would wear, in a light hearted manner, especially if it is, is the same as all the things you mention........With the exception of 'slut shame', I have no clue what that is.......I presume it's Twitter speak or some such lexical abomination.

Ken is a poor example to make my point about, he's putting his foot in his mouth every time he opens it and I'm not defending him per se.......but I think the point still stands.......just about.

It's the shaming of women based on their appearance, their clothing, their lifestyle choices or their sexual habits as a grown consenting adult.

You'd think in this day and age this was be a bygone thing of yesteryear but it appears to be thriving as well as it ever did.

Not the same.

The equivalent would be making a comment about the speedos themselves, not Ken's weight.

I agree with you about Cami's dress sense, and like you I wouldn't say anything to her........but to say I wouldn't be thinking 'what the hell is she almost wearing?' would be a lie, because I would be thinking that.

Does that make me sexist?

We didn't have Twitter in yesteryear. Such a thing was not possible.

You seem to be confusing the advert of Twitter (not really sure why you keep banging on about twitter btw ) as somehow being relevant to the points being made.

It is, of course, not.

No it's always been used offensively. To dehumanize.

I have to agree in that personally I wouldn't wear the sort of clothes Cami wears daily because I don't want to be looked at as a sex object continually. They are clearly comfortable with this but it still doesn't give anyone the right to touch them or insinuate that they are easy

he does choose to walk around with it all hanging out though.

I often think 'what the hell is he/she wearing?' but, like you, I keep those thoughts in my head because unlike Ken we realise that our personal opinions aren't always kind or appropriate.

If I voiced my every thought and opinion on people I meet I would be beaten up on a regular basis

[/b] Since when ? - and examples would be good.

Dictionary simply says :- "a small Negro or Aboriginal child "

Awww okay.. Ken might be an idiot, but I still think he is purposely winding them up.

he knows what he is saying is offensive but does not care.. he is absolutely trolling them. IMO.

Provide an example of a legitimate use of the word. I'll save you some time, there never was one. It's a bastardization of a Portuguese word and it has always been used to dehumanize.

Please provide a source for your claim that the word was in use 400 years ago.

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/0...ny-stereotype/

I notice you didn't post the link to your "dictionary".

I'll try to explain.

You explained what 'slut shaming' is.....public shaming of women based on yada yada yada. I fail to see how that's possible without social media.....ergo, a relatively new phenomenon, I'd have thought.

I suppose we could've rented a billboard or something, but that would cost a fortune, and even then we'd only have had a local audience.

Oh, and I wasn't 'banging on' about anything, I simply mentioned it. 'Banging on' is what Richard Dawkins does.

Fair dos.

I think, on the matter of Ken, we're all agreed, he should probably give up talking.