As per, DS has taken sides. I think Jeremy had to go for what he did. It was NOT sexual assault, in my eyes, but Chloe's reaction to his ridiculous and utterly ill-judged attempt at a drunken pass made it unavoidable. Jeremy should never have been in the house - I do worry for him, he's a mess and a striking example of how badly psychologically damaged child stars often go on to be. I hope he gets paid for the show and I hope he gets the help he clearly needs.

He did seem VERY out of it and I think it's quite likely that he thought a pass might be favourably received; it was ill-judged but not even vaguely threatening. That's abundantly obvious from the audio. Nevertheless, it's wrong and that needed to be made very clear.

Chloe completely over-reacted, IMO; and Perez' over-reaction was laughably awful.

In Chloe's position I would have been more cross than upset. I would have slapped his hand away and probably repeated what he had done to one or two others - and, perhaps, in the Diary Room (if I was feeling particularly precious) with a request that BB have a quiet word.

Chloe, from what we saw and heard, was probably thinking it would look good to 'mind' Jeremy when he was sick. She was also, as usual, somewhat aping Kimmy's behaviour. Nothing wrong with any of that. She didn't appear to give Jeremy any indication that these were overtures of a romantic nature. And no-one has the right to try and remove items of her clothing - irrespective of what she is or isn't wearing underneath.

However, a few things bothered me about Chloe's reaction - it was designed for maximum impact; the dry crying; the near hyperventilation; the repeated references to her Page 3 career; the references to shock.................... All extraordinarily OTT in the circumstances.

The point of this post is to illustrate that you neither have to label Jeremy a sex pest nor Chloe as 'asking for it' to discuss this issue. It was an interesting event from a viewer's point of view and we should be able to discuss it without such tediously predictable polarisation.

PS: Just remembered, from reading the threads last night, the very different gender approaches to the vomiting of friends. Someone posted a very, very funny explanation of why, with girls, it takes 5. However, my OH (who is hardly ever sick) once had the most dreadful stomach bug. I was not allowed within 100 metres of the bathroom. Men do like to do these things in private.

Well said Patsy. However, I do agree that It was the right decision to remove Jeremy from the house because he clearly needs help

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You make some good points Patsy. The only thing I'd add is that we don't know enough about Jeremy whereas someone like Perez purports to. There is no mistaking he has said that Jeremy is unstable many times since they all entered the House and Michelle as well has mooted this view. So maybe Jeremy warrants being afraid of and Perez's reaction though emotionally and a little bit incoherently expressed was actually legitimate.

ETA I also agree with Bunions it was a sexual assault. That is surely just a given.

Jeremy was ejected because a) it was all staged. b) Chloe behaved like a silly little girl. Perhaps she was auditioning for some sort of acting role after her stint in there? If she genuinely gets so upset about nonsense like that then perhaps someone needs to tell her to stop hanging around guys half naked. When people have had much to drink, are feeling horny, flirty etc.. then these sort of incidents are almost certain to happen. For someone like Goodman to display such a moralistic attitude is preposterous.

I believe that sexual assault SUCceeds a refusal to participate. The second Chloe told Jeremy that what he did was not OK, he stopped. He didn't, it would appear, touch her person at all, just her robe. Although, I find Chloe immensely difficult to decipher so I'm open to correction on that. He assumed it was a consensual situation and the minute he realised he got it wrong he stopped. So, no - not sexual assault at all. It was, as I said, a completely ill-judged, sloppy and unacceptable drunken pass.

I've been slapped on the arse by men on more than one occasion and I feel I would be cheapening the nature of real sexual assault by labelling it as such.

I more or less agree with you, Patsy. I think it was right that he was removed - not just for what he did to Chloe but because he was behaving strangely already and giving cause for concern. He was a bit unstable from the start, if you ask me. I don't see how they could have let him stay in the house while Chloe was still there, either. So all in all it was best that he be removed.

I would have reacted differently to Chloe. I would have been angry, shouted at him, stomped around a lot and then forgiven him. I think Chloe is a very sensitive, fearful young girl with not much idea of self-assertiveness. I don't think she deliberately milked it at all. I just reckon she was shocked and upset and felt very vulnerable at the time. Maybe she feels differently today.

Totally agree with you. It was the overreaction of Cami and Perez that escalated the drama into an out of control situation imo.

Patsylimerick is spot on & has echoed pretty much everything I thought whilst watching it.

It was right that Jeremy was removed (in fact, I don't think he should have been there to start with), but I'm also in agreement that Chloe put on an Oscar nominated performance, along with Perez.

Ultimately, it's not up to me to tell other how they should react in any situation, but I do believe she ramped it up to 11/10.

Good summary.

I'm interested to see what Chloe's reaction to his being kicked out is.

I still cannot believe that people are saying they think Chloe over-reacted, or rather that her response/ reaction is in any way deserving of criticism. .

Sure some people may react differently- some may have slapped his hand away, some may have laughed it off, some may have been even more affected than she was etc etc.

It sounds like I'm stating the obvious but the obvious sometimes still seems to be stated- different people react in different ways in different scenarios to different events. That doesn't make it bad or wrong or anything else, especially given what happened.

I cannot believe Chloe would receive any criticism for this whole sorry incident let alone to the extent and level that she has on this forum.

Bingo

I agree. Also, those who've been in the BB house always say that every emotion gets amplified - probably due to the stress of being filmed 24 hours a day.

And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is exactly what I'm talking about.

A. What happened in the bathroom was entirely Jeremy's fault and for that Chloe is entirely blameless.

B. What happened next is not, however, utterly sanctified from discussion or analysis because A. is true.

Do you not SEE that?

As I said on another thread Jeremy made his ill judged pass because he was drunk, Chloe had a fit of histrionics because she was drunk and Perez acted like a prize prat because he was drunk.

It was a little like watching a 6th form house party where too much cider had been consumed.

BIB - are you serious?

So I grab a woman's boob and it's only after she responds negatively and I do it again that it becomes sexual assault.

Is that what you're saying?

In your opinion. You may have reacted differently, you may believe that Chloe should have reacted differently. That doesn't make your words fact.

You are of course entitle to your opinion, but I'm not sensing much empathy to her reaction. That is of course fine, but if you can't empathise you can't make a reasoned judgement on her feelings. If you cannot judge her feelings then you will probably automatically side with Jeremy.

So, your long post about sides seems a tad ironic given that you have taken one, as we all do, as is human nature.

The excess alcohol was evident that night, since when do they get vodka and rum.

It was more telling how some housemates selfishly exploited the situation to try to further their own chances in the competition.
Their own standing in this competition was more important to them than the feelings of the two people involved in the incident, who in my opinion they had little regard for.

That was the most telling thing about this whole incident.

Yes it was and what amuses me the most is Jeremy vomiting after a bit too much partying. I thought he was supposed to be a hell raiser but a stint in the CBB House bought him to his knees

Touching someone in a sexual manner is sexual assault, moving a persons robe to expose a breast is sexual assault.

When you look at your thread title and OP-

You think she made a meal of it' and 'over-reacted'. You make negative assumptions about her motives for helping him out by saying you think she only did it to 'look good', and that she was 'aping Cami's behaviour' which is effectively is you detracting from her as an individual in her own right.

You also go on to claim her reaction was 'designed for maximum impact' and clearly imply it was fake with your comments on 'dry crying', 'near hyperventilation' and references to her page 3 career (like saying this is some kind of bad/ negative thing) and say it is 'ALL extraordinarily OTT in the circumstances'.

The only thing that is 'extraordinarily OTT' given the circumstances is the number of negatives you have assumed and attached to Chloe given the fact that a man was entirely sexually inappropriate with her.

This is the point that is being made here.

Do you not SEE that.

I agree with the OPs opening post that Jeremy should not have touched Chloe inappropriately but that she probably then made a big deal out of it.
HOWEVER WE DIDN'T SEE WHAT HAPPENED.
I just don't see how much we can actually judge from what was shown on the programme. We just have her word against his.

How right you are

Found the whole thing silly and embarrassing.. all that fuss , weve had the three witches with Shilpa Shetty a few years ago..the bullying I thought was terrible towards that lovely girl by them and nothing was done... Barrymore bullying too and it went on.. so how come BB have gone so uppity.. Jeremy seemed genuinly sorry , and should be reinstated..could that happen..