Negroes and arses - the guy is on a loser I'm afraid. Time for a lesson from the master Jim Davidson. I'm in my 50's and have come to realise that you cannot reason with hypocrisy. Arsegate - its ok to walk around with your butt cheeks hanging out for the world to see and most of your cleavage hanging out the side of a skimpy top but your going to hell if your over 40 and dare to look and god forbid make a comment as low as to refer the bottom as an arse. After all lets face it - the younger generation are so PC and correct all the time - Of course its ok to be checked out if he's a young affluent business model type. Yes Ken might be having a perv lol but for god sake get over it - getting old doesn't remove all bodily senses. If you feel that strongly then put some effing clothes on.

The whole Negros thing was uncomfortable and might I think be down to a potential misunderstanding but no one ever try's to look behind the words. Can someone clarify if the line he used was the same line used by Gene Hackman in the film Mississippi Burning. Gene of course played the good guy who was trying to bring the KKK to justice. It would make sense as Ken is an actor. Bad choice of words but hey - treading on egg shells and having to watch your every word is what being over 40 in a democratic society is all about even though the film was a ground braking classic. Poor Ken is a White, Balding, straight, over 40's Male and as such is doomed lol. On a good note it's going to be ten times worse in 50 years time and our generation will not have endure this drivel on a daily basis anymore.

How many more threads are there on Ken? How much longer can you drone on about "negros" - move on.

Oh yes, those old white men have all the hardship.

I agree....

You want to try Man Flu - it's a killer lol

I love how "society has gone PC mad!" is almost always just code for "I want to be a rascist sexist asshole and no-one will let me anymore". And yes as someone said above Ken is
so oppressed and downtrodden as an old white man , I mean , he can't even go around chucking out 50 year old racial slurs anymore and calling girls young enough to be his granddaughter a slut! What has the world come to?

People who complain about "PC" are almost always people who don't form part of any minority group , thus have no actual experience of being discriminated agains , and are very comfortable with their place in the majority and don't want anyone else to be considered as equal to them.

A good point.

I've also noticed a lot of 'anti PC' people on here automatically assume that those who are offended are 'faking it' or 'just being offended because they feel they have to'. It's almost as if they don't believe that others have real feelings, opinions or morals, just because they don't line up with their own. IMO that is bigotry in itself.

I like Stephen Fry's quote on the 'offended':

I agree! People seem to think it's now a worse offence to call someone a racist then for them to actually say something that makes you uncomfortable , the anti pc bandwagon immediately jumps on it and tries to explain it away (oooh negro is just Spanish for black etc. when everyone knows it's gone years out of date) and completely discounts the discomfort and upset the slur may have actually caused the person it was directed towards , they are pretty much the other side of the coin and refuse
to accept that some words ARE offensive , whether they're meant in an offensive way or not the fact that you would use them at all is very suspect

Well that's Stephen Fry's opinion which I don't really care much about , if someone were to call me a slur I'm going to get offended , and that is my right if they have chosen to use a word that they know they shouldn't use

That quote is taken slightly out of context, and is pure hypocrisy on his part, as many writers and bloggers have pointed out.

Here is just one example from a 2 second google:
https://tealeavesdogears.wordpress.com/2013/12/22/why-stephen-frys-offensive-quote-is-total-bullshit/

And there off - it was a simple question if the phrase was misunderstood as it was potentially taken from a highly respected film about the fight against injustice in the deep south. I have also read it may have come from a speech by Martin Luther King. You guys really need to chill out and accept that part of being in a democracy entitles everyone to an opinion. Agree / disagree - as stated earlier by the legend Stephen Fry "Who effing cares". As far as minority / majority goes my age , colour and sexuality makes me part of 14% of the population - hardly a majority. Maybe it would help if people actually read what was said - then gave it some thought and then replied in structured manor.

And Stephen Fry just happens to be a highly intellectual witty man - famed for his wind ups - pure brilliance.

Well if then, as you suggest, the quote is a wind up, the use of it as a defence against those who are genuinely offended is a bit baffling! I'm guessing many on this forum find it brilliant to stir up the rest of us. I can't help but feel getting your kicks from winding people up is a bit sad.

It wasn't a simple question though was it, it was two paragraphs with quite a few inflammatory statements peppered within.

Not at all - I just think that sometimes there is always much deeper reasoning and someone like Stephen Fry will always be thought provoking for those who give time to think. He also likes to take the p*ss out of people who he feels are incapable of thought process and every now and again throws in a Red Herring. Rather than lambasting the guy he should be admired - and is in the main. You maybe misunderstand his intentions and mine and as such is a lesson learned. That's if I'm right - only you can decide that for yourself.

Not really - the first paragraph was my reflection on hypocrisy and in my opinion is a fair statement. I see it daily in many forms. People use what they see as their strongest assets to gain leverage but cry wolf when it blows up in their face. If you feel my statements were inflammatory then that's fine - To be honest I don't care. The main point was one of serious debate because I always try to find the reason why rather than just jump to popular conclusion.

Are you suggesting that others on this thread just jump to "popular conclusion" without thinking?

Sorry but I don't buy what you're saying - clarifying the Gene Hackman line would take a quick google, you could have joined the debate on one of the many threads already up about this if you genuinely wanted to discuss it further.

Obviously you're entitled to your opinions but at the same time you must understand that some people will find them offensive, by their own merit, using their own thought process. To suggest that people who oppose your opinions haven't thought it through seems like a wind up to me.

As for your comments about Stephen Fry I suspect that you are not familiar with the original debate the quote came from, and that you don't quite understand him as well as you think you do. In fact, I find it quite funny that you're criticising the hypocrisy you see in Chloe in your first post, but praising Stephen Fry for demonstrating hypocrisy, and even suggesting that it is either a way of taking the p*ss out of people whom you feel don't match up to his/your intellectual standards (presumably me) or a "red herring" (for what purpose other than to make him look a bit foolish, I don't know).

You can be offended all you like, but it doesn't give you any special rights or mean you win any argument. Like the Fry quote implies people will just shrug and say 'so what?'

As a 'bra burning feminist' her 'offence' is probably daily and about a lot of things. What offends her doesn't mean much to me. Like Fry said, it is a whine that doesn't mean anything.

You seem to think being 'genuinely offended' means something?

To him and to you, no it doesn't. But it does to me and others on here. So, just like you told Rory in your previous post that he doesn't win an argument on being offended, you cannot win on using this quote or opinion.

In fact, nobody is going to win! The fact you think that people who say they're offended are trying to win says it all! We're entitled to our opinion, entitled to voice it and entitled to reply to you. I'm not trying to win, I'm just trying to be heard, as I'm sure others are, whatever their opinion is.

Wow. you're just all over the forum telling people what they can and can't discuss/

Who died and made you boss?

People seem to think being 'offended' means they are correct. It doesn't.

No one has mentioned Ken's worst insult. To Perez, "you utterly irrelevant,AMERICAN , neurotic."

It seems to be an acceptable insult.