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Alrightmate
12-01-2015
Originally Posted by Mrs Checks:
“I addressed this in my post. I don't agree with it, but it still doesn't mean that the ejection of Jeremy and Ken has much to do with being 'PC'. If what you are saying is correct, then it has everything to do with the producers' own agendas, which, as much as we can speculate on, we don't truly know.”

To be honest I don't think they do either.
I think that the PCness would come from BB themselves where they feel that they are doing what they ought to do at the time due to the public sentiment at the time. For example, feeling that they have to clamp down hard on something in one series due to something controversial which happened in the series before.

Don't get me wrong, I think your post was very plausible and well written. It's just that BB producers choose which rules are important when and if it suits them at any particular time.
I don't think that the contract you speak of means anything other than they perhaps make the contestants agree that BB have the right to eject anybody when and if they feel like it.
In most cases it's less that a housemate has done something 'wrong' where they 'must' be ejected, but more that a housemate is ejected on BB's whim. Housemates have been ejected before for the most petty things. I think Kitten got ejected for some really daft reason. Then you have those who have been ejected and those who haven't for pretty much the same misdemeanour.
Alrightmate
12-01-2015
Originally Posted by Diabolus:
“Well, yes really.

I take your points on board of course re consistency and the like (this is true for many if not most tv shows of this ilk) but the point still remains that the original post contains reason, logic and sense, hence my post.

I stand by it.”

Okay fair point, you can omit my 'not really' from the start of my post.
Edit: There, done it myself.
Bluescope
12-01-2015
The fact is in was in many ways set up and part of the appeal of BB that is a fact. You have a house and stick a half naked page 3 model running around in it followed by a Ken who clearly had an outdated set of views. Combine that with drink and a number of out spoken z list celebs taking the moral high ground on issues.

What did anyone else expect to happen? Does that excuse their actions no but the point of them being their is because of the way they are. When they then get booted out because of the way they are you have to ask what is the point of them being there?

You have to question what the point is of carrying on with CBB. You put in people that are going to cause issue then have to boot then out when they do. Was this just part of the plan. Can anyone honestly tell that they did not see Ken getting kicked out from day one ?
Diabolus
12-01-2015
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Okay fair point, you can omit my 'not really' from the start of my post.
Edit: There, done it myself.”

Ha ha, fair play and as I say I certainly do take your points on board. Apologies if my reply sounded a bit brusque, you can never tell round these parts as it's pretty hairy at times in other threads.
Honestweegie
12-01-2015
Originally Posted by Mrs Checks:
“I'm sorry to start yet another thread but there is something that badly needs to be addressed here.

Whatever your opinion on free speech, 'PC' and Ofcom, the fact that both Jeremy and Ken have been removed from the CBB house has very little to do with it (despite what Ofcom complainers may be claiming elsewhere).

The facts are:

1. Both signed a contract to follow the CBB rules within the CBB house. They didn't. In any workplace (which the house effectively is for them), that is grounds for termination.

2. Jeremy was removed before any of the public even knew what had happened. To claim that the public had any influence on that decision is improbable.

3. BB producers have regularly decided to keep contestants in the house, despite Ofcom complaints (see: Helen Wood). Whilst it may seem easy to blame the 'PC brigade' and the 'professionally offended', as some forum members put it, for the removal of Ken, history of BB tells us this is unlikely the case. It is quite clear to see that it has more to do with rule breaking, severity of rule breaking, the effect the rule break has on the other housemates, and the random perspective that BB producers have on each individual incident (which, I am categorically saying I do not agree with, but it is clearly a factor according to their agenda on the show edit).

All in all, it is fairly obvious that while BB do have to think about Ofcom, because they do have to follow certain standards after all, it was nowhere near the main factor in booting out Jeremy or Ken.”

Agreed, I just don't know why Jade Goody, Jo and Danielle weren't removed. But that's much water under bridges
Mrs Checks
12-01-2015
Originally Posted by Honestweegie:
“Agreed, I just don't know why Jade Goody, Jo and Danielle weren't removed. But that's much water under bridges”

I know, and actually there are quite a few other examples which are comparable. But, that seems to be down to BB producer's mystical agendas, which is a whole other issue
Conehead
12-01-2015
The producers decisions will be mainly driven by financial considerations.
However baffling you may find them, they are just trying to make money.
Alrightmate
12-01-2015
Originally Posted by Diabolus:
“Ha ha, fair play and as I say I certainly do take your points on board. Apologies if my reply sounded a bit brusque, you can never tell round these parts as it's pretty hairy at times in other threads. ”

Thanks, no need to apologise because I was probably guilty of being more contrary than I needed to be, and you haven't said anything wrong.
I know what you mean with not being able to tell on here at times. Sometimes the mood on the forum can affect the tone of your own posts and I can definitely be guilty of that at times.
Alrightmate
12-01-2015
Originally Posted by Honestweegie:
“Agreed, I just don't know why Jade Goody, Jo and Danielle weren't removed. But that's much water under bridges”

Good point. I think that might be a good example of the moving goalposts of what BB deem to be acceptable or not, and perhaps even an example of their decisions being led by their own perception of a public mood at the time, which they may amend for the following series.
Alrightmate
12-01-2015
Originally Posted by Bluescope:
“The fact is in was in many ways set up and part of the appeal of BB that is a fact. You have a house and stick a half naked page 3 model running around in it followed by a Ken who clearly had an outdated set of views. Combine that with drink and a number of out spoken z list celebs taking the moral high ground on issues.

What did anyone else expect to happen? Does that excuse their actions no but the point of them being their is because of the way they are. When they then get booted out because of the way they are you have to ask what is the point of them being there?

You have to question what the point is of carrying on with CBB. You put in people that are going to cause issue then have to boot then out when they do. Was this just part of the plan. Can anyone honestly tell that they did not see Ken getting kicked out from day one ?”

What could possibly go wrong?

Your point there reminds me of a part of that Bill Hicks stand-up comedy routine where he speaks of an innocent farmhand being told to 'Pick up the gun'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbO0f9uaWZE
sinbad22uk
12-01-2015
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“The perpetually offended are ruining the show. They claim offence on behalf of others and then will complain when beige woodchip like Kavana and Chegwin get to the final. The offended get the show they deserve.”

Totally agree, some people obviously never watched BB1 , the show has lost its identity, it was started to be controversial, now I am sick of reading post from do gooding bigotswho have zero idea about racism etc

If Callum eyed up the girls backsides nobody would bat an eyelid, if Ken did it he is an old pervert. Isnt that ageism you do gooders????
Bagshot85
12-01-2015
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“The perpetually offended are ruining the show. They claim offence on behalf of others and then will complain when beige woodchip like Kavana and Chegwin get to the final. The offended get the show they deserve.”

The 'offended' have naff all to with them being turfed out. If viewers had a say, last year's winner Helen Wood would have been given the boot, instead of winning.
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