WHIT??
"Your mums fat" is a little different from "at least I get to go home to a fanmily that loves me"

How can you honestly think that means nothing? It means everythgn to someone who is away from their family, missing them and clearly has insecurity issues and god knows what else and has that thrown at them just as they are about to go to bed!

You belong that crew - you think the same as them - goodness knows what you are like as a person

It's alright being like that if you're Cuban, because all Cuban people are like that. This she has taught me.

Because I'm sure Alicia's family does love her unless Cami knows something we don't.
Why would something that clearly isn't true, be really upsetting to you??

I'm a nice and honest person thanks. I don't see how trying to insult me is relevant to this tho.

If she cannot control the argrument .....she becomes vile.

Cami's a troublemaking bitch! She says that she didn't say that Alicia's family didn't love her and she's right, she didn't ACTUALLY say those words. However, Cami did say that at least she could go back to a family that loved her, which so obviously means that Alicia doesn't have a family that loves her. Alicia made the mistake of not quoting exactly what Cami said. Cami knew that Alicia was right, but decided to point out what she exactly said because she knew that Alicia wasn't quick enough to use exactly what Cami had said back at her and instead, just went on about what Cami had meant. I was disappointed in Michelle for not telling Cami that she was in the wrong. Chloe's kissing Katie's and Cami's backsides. She's a bitch!

Pretty with that mouth and wolf teeth , never..

Your hedging an awful lot on Alicia being secure though
She is clearly not
So to say that when they know she is weaker is downright nasty - what can you not get? For someone like you if your 100% secure in you - myself included then yes water off a duck's back but clearly Alicia is not 100% secure and to be fair it is just plin nasty regardless or whether it was true or not. A decent human being would not ever say anything like that - would not even think it is is like a small child shouting it.

Cami does not appear to have a good heart!

You have a strange way of seeing things.

I don't get why people are blowing up what Cami said

If there had been something in the press about Alicia's mum disowning her or something, and then Cami had made direct reference to that, then yes that would have been a nasty comment.

But what she did say is a nothing insult.
If you're in a big argument and you're going to insult someone with the sole intention of upsetting them, then it would need to be something that is at least based in truth.

Cami hit a nerve, because of Alicia's insecurities, she was alluding to all the surgery Alicia has had, and it felt like she was saying Alicia's family aren't there for her.
Maybe I've misread the situation though

You just don't get it which is a shame. For anyone to physically say "at least I get to go home to a family that loves me" is nasty whether its true or not - Cami dies not know Alicia's situation! You are an outsider looking in, so you cannot make assumptions! For all Cami knows there could be issues, that is the bloody point

No you've read it right. Its horrible that those ladies are gas lighting Alicia. You're thick, you're dumb no one loves you....they're trying to break her because they're jealous. Even though she's had all those surgeries...underneath all that theres a decent girl who people could like. I think deep down Cami is extremely insecure and knows that people don't like her. So she needs to feel better having to talk about someone or something. Remember with the Jeremy incident? Nadia had to stop her blabbing and was like CAMI NO NO NO!

I don't know if it's gas lighting so much as Cami resorting to an idiotic counter argument because she's not quick enough or eloquent enough to handle an accusation head on. She ends up screeching, "That's not what I said!" a lot, when in fact the other person got the gist just fine. It's as if she thinks verbatim quotes are a requirement.

She's horrible enough for gas lighting, but I don't know if she's smart enough.

This is stereotypical Floridian behavior. I swear, the sooner we wall off that peninsula and declare it a penal colony, the better.

She is just a nasty piece of work. The shrieking voice is just argghhh!!

This made me

She is living proof that being educated doesn't mean you are socially ept.

I've always maintained anyone can be educated to a high standard if they have the opportunity and put their mind to it.

I don't think she is pretty on the outside

I thought gaslighting was when you deliberately twist and lie about stuff to make the other person feel crazy? EDIT: Just checked....

Gaslighting is a form of mental abuse in which information is twisted/spun, selectively omitted to favor the abuser, or false information is presented with the intent of making victims doubt their own memory, perception and sanity.

Sometimes it seems like gaslighting when it's just the other person having a complete blind spot about themselves. It's crazy-making for sure, I've experienced it, but it's not necessarily a sinister intent.

If they carry on the way they are doing it will lead to Alicia thinking she is crazy. She's quite vulnerable. I hope she doesn't break.

I think/hope the producers will call Cami to the Diary Room if she starts targeting Alicia all the time.

I think Cami is ripe for criticism with how she reacts and the way in which she delivers it but she's hardly as bad as many make out (in fact not even close imo).

If you look at some of the comments on here right from the off (and no one please ask me to find them!) it was clear some had an irrational dislike for her from day one.

Is she deserving of criticism? Yes undeniably. She needs to modify some of her behaviours for sure, but then this could be said for a load of them in there.

Is some of the more 'out there' criticism thrown at her totally justified however? For me it's a no.

If anyone is vile it's Nadia. Heard the conversation wrong, stirred the pot, and made Cami angry. I don't think Alicia is sweet and innocent at all, she has a history of being anything but. Some of the things Perez has said to her, I would get bloody angry too. She deserves criticism and if I am honest I don't even like her, but calling someone vile because of 45 minutes of footage is wrong!

I think that was way out of line mentioning her family

not basing on it on 45 mins of footage it the fact she said to Alicia a mother of 2 that she does not have a family that loves for me that went way to far.

However Nadia needs to learn to zip and shut her trap Patsy could sense it was getting heated and told her to be quiet yet she still wound up the whole situation.

Totally agree with you, just saying that the words 'bully' and 'vile' are too strong.