I'm not sure. I was gonna say because there's no history of oppression like there is with...but that'd clearly be stoopid.

Genuinely don't know. Cos working classes aren't a minority, maybe? Cos there isn't a history of violence specifically targeted against the working class simply BECAUSE they're working class?

Good question.

Interesting point Zebedee.

Am I not right in thinking that when Zebedee arrives with some sage words that heralds "Time for bed"

The practice was still happening in the 70s as I can remember a nun doing just that to one of our class.



Private schools have a habit of instilling a sense of superiority and entitlement in their pupils. (glad that I was expelled )

She cannot be blamed for a private education as it was her parents choice and they probably sacrificed quite a bit to pay for two daughters to be privately educated. She can be blamed for how she allowed it to give her certain attitudes.


That actually makes me feel a little warmer towards her as she is quite self deprecating.


They certainly should and private schools should also be banned. They are a breeding ground for those who feel that they can judge, belittle and scorn those educated in the state sector. You only have to look at those in parliament to see the worst of the public v state school argument.

I hope not. I haven't even started on my Chablis yet.

But possibly an excuse for some hot chocolate

I guess someone could have reported her, though they were probably still scary times with scary nuns

Comments about being prepared to barbecue her children to get ahead show that nothing she says can be taken seriously, and that she is just a professional controversialist ,nothing more

You may see it like that but others are currently reporting her to the police for canabalism...

I don't think she's a sociopath, I think the way she is is all to do with her epileptic fits and the damage that they can do to the brain. I have worked with two people over the years that developed fits in their twenties and they are both very much like her, very little empathy for others and think that what they say is always right. They both changed so much from when I first met them, from being happy go lucky normal type people, they both became rather self obsessed and had very little interest in other's feelings or thoughts. Unfortunately the lady is no longer with us as she had diabetes too, and had an epileptic fit where she knocked herself out and then went into a diabetic coma which she didn't recover from as she wasn't found for 3 days after. However she always comes to mind when I watch Katie H, she hated to appear weak to anyone else too and would sometimes say the most outrageous things and couldn't see why we thought they were outrageous. I still work with the other one who is male and he gets worse every year which can be very wearing, but I remind myself that he can't help it, every time he has another fit more braincells get damaged. Funnily enough they both also looked/look a lot older than they actually were/are. I am not professing to be a doctor, just making observations of what I have noticed over the years, of two people I have worked closely with that have the same as Katie H does.

She's someone who has a gob, makes money by saying what a majority of the media is pushing, like at the moment fat people, and benefits. It's an easy target subject to hone in on.

I wouldnt pin sociopath or psychopath on anyone, it's more someone likes the attention be it good or bad. Its human nature for many to want to be the forefront and on that soapbox.

I see the reality TV shows with people just like her, but in a different way. It's sad really, she is a sad woman, that will make money, people will pay her, and the more people argue against her, whilst some take her side, she will in theory have a career for a long while yet.

I cannot stand her, purely on the basis, she's fake, with her intellect and her rent a gob attitude.

I think her views are wholly unacceptable and, as far as she pushes it, there are similarities to racism.
The obvious difference of the elitist snob to the racist is that the racist discriminates against a swathe of the population based on an unalterable fact : the colour of their skin.This is wholly unacceptable and always will be.

Some people (social snobs) feel free to discriminate against the lesser off because they believe they are where they are because they are lazy and unambitious, that their status is not an unalterable fact and they are free to bootstrap themselves out of there, a la 'social mobility.' Unfortunately, the, what look like easy, solutions: educational opportunities and social supports are not always available or, because of grinding poverty ,not sought with confidence. A lot of snobs, I suspect, are so because they are aspirational and want to separate themselves from more humble origins.(There is a bit of that in Katie).

Katie does not even allow for' social mobility,' in that she believes it is more efficient to have a system that keeps everybody in their place. I get the impression (from that article) that her views are that the brightest are among the elites anyway, so most of the lower classes are, by design, thick. That comes close to a racist type mindset towards class really.

By design, a capitalist system functions by benefiting some over many, as long as it fools us in to thinking that everyone can benefit , like the 'American Dream'.
In reality it is more akin to how Katie says it is:the better schooled, the ones who have doors open for them and those who are already wealthy maintain the balance of power. So she is not lying (in that is the way things mostly are. Her saying aloud that this system is desirable and most 'efficient' sounds a bit fascist. (it's not the smartest thing to say either)

I think it was Scarlet who mentioned above that there isn't specifically a history of violence with regards to the lower classes, as comparable to certain races. True in the direct sense of the word but a system that goes from boom to bust while simultaneously making a few richer on the back of the misery of the many at the bottom who through bearing the brunt of recession, unstable employment, unfair pay, crippling economic problems and subsequently evictions, poverty ,mental illness, suicide, etc.... are oppressed by a violent system. IMO anyway

Katie and her ilk, however, see this as efficiency.

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That's a really interesting perspective. I don't know much about epilepsy and its potential impact on behaviour/cognition/emotions, etc. My only experience was someone in my immediate family and it's gone now, no permanent damage.

Your anecdote about that woman is really sad.

Yes it was sad, she lived alone after her parents died, although she had one of those medic alert things in her flat, but she had the fit and went into the diabetic coma after going home on the Friday, and wasn't found until the Monday when our boss went to check on her when she didn't turn up for work. By that time pneumonia had also set in and she died a couple of days later in hospital.

Dude I called it. She thinks that being a man means being self-centred, unyielding, cruel and unsympathetic at your core. So she has taken on that persona to cover up her own perceived weaknesses until the point that she lives by preset rules and no emotional ones.

She has re-wired herself to become what she admires, a man. Someone opposite of a nun. But in real terms she doesn't understand that whilst men commonly don't show those emotions we do have them. We are expected to be decisive but that doesn't mean we don't utilise emotional thought in our decisions.

She thinks she's becoming one of the lads when in fact she's becoming one of the psychos. But at her core is simply a boring simpleton with a tougher suit of armour to prevent that from being exposed.

I liken it to an 'Uncle Tom' figure who spends their life mimicking the perceived actions and mentality of their masters whilst sneering at the ones who are actually most like her. She's not above the fray as she has clearly demonstrated in this house. She is the fray.

She needs to understand that yes there is a pressure on men to be decisive and firm, but that doesn't simply translate to being ****.

Whoa.. you may have had a point in there in recognizing that Katie likes to assume a masculine type persona -she has said this herself and describes herself and certain other females as having 'balls' - but when you get to the BIB are you comparing the male -female difference to a master-slave analogy. I assure you men are no more women's masters than white people are, or ever were, masters to black people.
Your use of 'masters' is so misplaced and I hope it's a mistake on your part.
I assure you, also, that women are excellent when it comes to being decisive and firm.

Sorry I didn't mean it that way as in that how it supposed to be. No more than I believe that white people are superior masters to black people. However there has been a perception over the ages that women are chattels of men. Some people still kind of subscribe to that notion even in the most subtle ways.

LOL now you are just decisively and firmly digging yourself a bigger hole. Good luck with that one!

I have temporal lobe epilepsy, which was diagnosed when I was in my early-forties. It was caused by head injuries following a few accidents (I was/am accident prone). A friend of mine, was diagnosed with epilepsy, following a road traffic accident and in her late thirties. As others have said, there are so many types, and more than one cause. There is a lot of ignorance associated with the illness and as others have said, there is still a lot for the neurologist to discover.

Love this post, brilliant well said.

Yeh agree, she definitely had a good point once - answers on a postcard if anyone can remember what it was or when it happened. Thanks

She couldn't be more of a sociopath if she tried - and by god she tries.

Correct - she's quite a dunce really when it comes to thinking any of her opinions through to the end.

Empathy to her is probably a swear word.

Honestly, I can't even be bothered to try and analyse her, she means that little to me. I dislike her immensely, but that means nothing to her, and my energy has better uses in the world..