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Katie defends the use of f*gg*t?
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iwholden
17-01-2015
Originally Posted by roth30:
“What I find sad is heterosexuals who think they know more about gays and the gay community than actual gays some like me who as lived that life for over 30 years.”

Haha love this I just had to prove my sexuality to use the word 'faggot' without being condemned apparently.
Stellen11
17-01-2015
Alexander was goaded into saying it so cant be blamed at all.
jacquelineanne
17-01-2015
Originally Posted by roth30:
“But it's also not ok for a gay man to sexualy harras a straight guy by blowing kisses at them.”

Exactly he brought it all on himself.
Captain Kipper
17-01-2015
Originally Posted by keepitreal:
“How was Ken sent home for less? He was racist, sexist & a vile perverted man ”

Perez....his cancer comment, his comment to Cami about doing simulated lesbian acts to get attention, having sex with the bedroom window in just his stained Y fronts to upset and annoy the others, including young women who were offended by him....is that enough for you?
jobielad
17-01-2015
Originally Posted by Jon_Carke:
“Katie says no one can upset "the big man" but she didn't challenge Alexander about his use of the word "f*gg*t"?

So was that ok? Was that reasonable? She wasn't bothered by that then?”

The title of this thread is somewhat misleading. She didn't defend the use of such a word. Michelle had already dealt with it and pointed out to Alex is wasn't acceptable to use that word. Katie had other axes to grind with Perez
SwanGirl
17-01-2015
Originally Posted by iwholden:
“But wasn't it just a week ago he was telling Ken that he should be afraid for his well being on the outside. I fear that Perez will quickly become if not already, the most hated person in Britain. He should be afraid for his own well being.”

Perez won't care, he became 'famous' in the US through his blog which has featured some pretty vile things. When Britney Spears had her breakdown he went after her big time and ended up receiving a lot of abuse/threats. Even negative attention is positive to him because attention is what he craves, he needs it like a normal person needs air. It doesn't matter if he's hated, as long as he has some sort of platform he will continue.
SwanGirl
17-01-2015
Originally Posted by Stellen11:
“Alexander was goaded into saying it so cant be blamed at all.”

He may well have been goaded but he did not have to use that word, similarly if Alex goaded Perez I would not condone Perez calling Alex the N word. He could have said a lot of different things or better yet, walk away and into the diary room to avoid him and calm down. I get that he was wound up and Perez evidently wanted him to snap but Alex has played right into his hands and Perez won't stop attempting to rile him him now because he knows if he pushes enough he'll get a reaction.
Markren
17-01-2015
You lot get upset over the silliest things. You're missing life so much.
bluefb
17-01-2015
Originally Posted by James_Barker1:
“Michelle did tell him that was not ok, but in a way similar to how she dealt with Ken in the first few days, which was to remain calm, but she made it clear that it was not acceptable. There wasn't any need for her to scream at him just to show how serious she was taking it.”

And yet when Perez was prancing around the garden the night before she was having a nervous breakdown over his supposed betrayal of 'his people'.
Matt_Maher
17-01-2015
Originally Posted by SwanGirl:
“He may well have been goaded but he did not have to use that word, similarly if Alex goaded Perez I would not condone Perez calling Alex the N word. .”



Don't even start by comparing the word faggot to The N Word.
Even suggesting it's anything close is offensive in itself.
Jamie_Beer
17-01-2015
Originally Posted by SwanGirl:
“Perez won't care, he became 'famous' in the US through his blog which has featured some pretty vile things. When Britney Spears had her breakdown he went after her big time and ended up receiving a lot of abuse/threats. Even negative attention is positive to him because attention is what he craves, he needs it like a normal person needs air. It doesn't matter if he's hated, as long as he has some sort of platform he will continue.”

Yeah i watch a TV show about Kesha and in both series she ends up in tears because of things he keeps posting about her.

And when Christina"s Bionic album came out he went on a full on campaign to make sure it flopped... then a couple of years later when he fell out with Gaga tried to get justice for bionic. he's as Katie said... A cretin
SwanGirl
17-01-2015
Originally Posted by Matt_Maher:
“Don't even start by comparing the word faggot to The N Word.
Even suggesting it's anything close is offensive in itself.”

In my mind it is similar, especially having a family member who is gay and growing up being called an F lover I take offence to it. If it wasn't offensive why did BB warn Alex? And I don't care if you think I am being offensive, it's my opinion.
Aura101
17-01-2015
Originally Posted by Markren:
“You lot get upset over the silliest things. You're missing life so much.”

not as much as the lunatics on facebook and the ofcom brigade
SwanGirl
17-01-2015
Originally Posted by Jamie_Beer:
“Yeah i watch a TV show about Kesha and in both series she ends up in tears because of things he keeps posting about her.

And when Christina"s Bionic album came out he went on a full on campaign to make sure it flopped... then a couple of years later when he fell out with Gaga tried to get justice for bionic. he's as Katie said... A cretin”

There's a long, long list of stuff he has done. He blamed Lily Allen for her stillbirth by saying she'd killed her baby by drinking/taking drugs, kept mocking Madonna's daughter Lourdes for her weight and brows *she was about 14 at the time*, mocked Jennifer Aniston for her looks and not having kids, etc etc. He doesn't care, he does everything to get headlines and have people talking about him, he's used to being hated, why would he care if he was hated here?
Desy Boy
17-01-2015
NSFW:

Louis CK - Faggot, ****, N****r: http://youtu.be/wS2THqZemoc
Matt_Maher
17-01-2015
Originally Posted by SwanGirl:
“In my mind it is similar, especially having a family member who is gay and growing up being called an F lover I take offence to it. If it wasn't offensive why did BB warn Alex? And I don't care if you think I am being offensive, it's my opinion.”


Oh I don't find it offensive, even if I did then that would be my problem anyway.
Matt_Maher
17-01-2015
Originally Posted by SwanGirl:
“There's a long, long list of stuff he has done. He blamed Lily Allen for her stillbirth by saying she'd killed her baby by drinking/taking drugs, kept mocking Madonna's daughter Lourdes for her weight and brows *she was about 14 at the time*, mocked Jennifer Aniston for her looks and not having kids, etc etc. He doesn't care, he does everything to get headlines and have people talking about him, he's used to being hated, why would he care if he was hated here?”


I didn't know about any of that, I think those things need to be re-posted every time someone on here says what a nice guy he is.
bluefb
17-01-2015
Originally Posted by Markren:
“You lot get upset over the silliest things. You're missing life so much.”

*sigh*

There's always one in every thread.
Markren
17-01-2015
You choose to get offended by a word. That's your problem.

There is no such thing as a 'bad' word.
jacquelineanne
17-01-2015
Originally Posted by SwanGirl:
“In my mind it is similar, especially having a family member who is gay and growing up being called an F lover I take offence to it. If it wasn't offensive why did BB warn Alex? And I don't care if you think I am being offensive, it's my opinion.”

If Perez is going to play on his homosexuality by taunting straight people then he deserved to be called it.
keepitreal
17-01-2015
Originally Posted by Captain Kipper:
“Perez....his cancer comment, his comment to Cami about doing simulated lesbian acts to get attention, having sex with the bedroom window in just his stained Y fronts to upset and annoy the others, including young women who were offended by him....is that enough for you?”

My response was for the person that was having a go at Alexander, who said Ken was thrown out for less. I already know how vile Perez is, headlock with uppercut comes to mind....
Javed
17-01-2015
Originally Posted by SwanGirl:
“In my mind it is similar, especially having a family member who is gay and growing up being called an F lover I take offence to it. If it wasn't offensive why did BB warn Alex? And I don't care if you think I am being offensive, it's my opinion.”

Yeah I agree with you. It's a horrible word. No-one should come out with that.
bluefb
17-01-2015
Originally Posted by Matt_Maher:
“Don't even start by comparing the word faggot to The N Word.
Even suggesting it's anything close is offensive in itself.”

Speak for yourself, don't try dictating to others.
SwanGirl
17-01-2015
Originally Posted by Matt_Maher:
“Oh I don't find it offensive, even if I did then that would be my problem anyway.”

You may not find it offensive but it is used as an offensive term, believe me it can be very hurtful at times. I don't think Perez would've been hurt, he probably loved it because he won in making Alex snap. I can't stand the guy but I wish Alex had just walked away to calm down instead of rising to him, giving Perez exactly what he wants.
Matt_Maher
17-01-2015
Originally Posted by SwanGirl:
“You may not find it offensive but it is used as an offensive term, believe me it can be very hurtful at times. I don't think Perez would've been hurt, he probably loved it because he won in making Alex snap. I can't stand the guy but I wish Alex had just walked away to calm down instead of rising to him, giving Perez exactly what he wants.”


To be honest, I think it's probably a term Alexander uses fairly regularly with his mates.
Like "stop being such a faggot" etc. He probably didn't even use it just because it was Perez he was angry with.

It's sort of like when people say "oh god that is so gay".
I think you'd have to be pretty uptight to take offence with either word used in certain contexts.
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