Perez - any psychologists or psychiatrists on here?

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EuroFoxi

18-01-2015

Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“I thought Steven Goode was a textbook narcissist. He cared way too much what others thought of him to be a thoroughbred psychopath.”

KIMBERLEY DO YOU LOVE ME? DO YOU? RIP UP THE PHOTOS IF YOU LOVE ME. DO YOU LOVE ME? WHERE SHALL WE GET MARRIED? IF I GET OUT BEFORE I WILL BOOK A VENUE, ONLY IF YOU LOVE ME. DO YOU LOVE ME? DO YOU LOVE ME KIMBERLEY? DO YOU? Seriously... That guy was mental!

Daemon666

18-01-2015

Originally Posted by haphash:
“Its called narcissism.”

You spelled 'idiot' wrong.

atomic_puppy

18-01-2015

PD for sure.

Scarlet O'Hara

18-01-2015

Originally Posted by Flora_McDonald:
“Perez most certainly is not a psychopath - they are charming and adept at manipulating people to achieve their own ends.

I agree that the histrionic personality description seems to accurately describe him, but who knows - he knows the cameras are on him and he's trying to provide entertainment. His humour is infantile, but it's a very popular type of humour in the USA - just not so much here in Britain. He's a big character: extreme, over-exciteable, extrovert, creative, manic, and he needs a bigger outlet. He's approaching BB as if it's a big party.. but hasn't got anyone in that house who "gets" him, or with whom he can have fun and plot mischief. He was using the audience for that, but the audience aren't getting him, but he was unaware of that until he heard the boos.

I'm not going to try to psychoanalyse him, but If I was in the house, I'd like him. I like colourful, zany people, I like to laugh, party and have a carry on. I'd prefer to cope with Perez being challenging, annoying or tearful than be around someone who never challenged me, was as dull as dishwater and tried to dominate or bully me into changing my future eviction nominations.”

Snap! I like colourful eccentrics too and have a pretty high tolerance for unusual behaviour. Plus I do like "a carry on" (love that phrase btw

). I'm just laughing at him now whenever he's on...assuming he actually isn't having a breakdown which would not be funny at all.

too_much_coffee

18-01-2015

Originally Posted by Tess-g:
“I've been around DS for a lot of years but that is my quote of quotes!”

Mine too. It seems to be winning the vote as the most likely diagnosis

Originally Posted by Ovalteenie:
“This reminds me of the early days of this DS:BB forum... we had loads of psychology threads on various housemates during BB3 in 2002...

It's not fair however to single out Perez... I think Katie Hopkins and Cami-Li could do with psychiatric assessments too ”

There were several threads with some very good analysis of Katie yesterday, especially that referring to an article from the Guardian.

Originally Posted by sandy50:
“He is known for being an exhibitionist isn't he - so I don't really know why everyone is shocked by him, he wants to be unpredictable and shocking .......as he thinks it will make him interesting viewing and make him popular with the British Public. He's even announcing his 'gameplans' as to how he's going to irritate the other HMs. But now he knows that's actually backfired and he's heard the boos from the CBB crowd , he'll present a different 'Perez', he's now going to play the victim of the house, and the tears will flow - he will want to try and get the public to feel sorry for him, a new gameplan will be in the making !”

Nadia will probably fall for it... She's the biggest disappointment of the whole house.

Originally Posted by puppetangel:
“I don't want to diagnose him, there might be nothing to diagnose... I'm just really interested in reading opinions to explain such human behavior. (Thanks everyone who has posted so far).

Is it really an act to make dramatic television or is this really him? How long can you carry on an antagonising act for and not care everyone hates you? How did he get it so wrong from knowing what the British public wanted and it being the Perez show and becoming Big Brother himself to hearing the chanting of Get Perez out...and how come he's going opposite to normal behavior of trying to apologise and build fences. It's like he is getting off on the anger and infamy? He asked Katie Hopkins on the first night what her children thought of her being the most hated woman in Britain...yet the things he is doing his kids will be able to watch for forever on youtube..he's already got the paycheck....what is happening here? Can he really pull off being hated by the majority and still continue to live in the house till the final....maybe they should pull it off so he keeps getting immunity to test it out. Why is he such a cry baby lol He is sulking now which makes me think its not an act at all, but why does he want them to hate him...that fake coughing fit to wake them up makes no sense....it's like he thinks he is the director of Big Brother and its his duty to set things up but he's talking us through it too at the same time.

I can't stand his amateur dramatics and would not give him any time in real life for his attention seeking, but he makes really interesting tv...I just felt that tonight it had gone from amusing attention seeking in the first few days to unhinged and that other housemates might end up doing more than use offensive language.”

Fast going from unhinged to unwatchable...

Originally Posted by Blondie X:
“So would you say he exhibits Completely Unique Narcissistic Tendencies? If only we could think of an acronym for those symptoms ”

Spot on diagnosis

Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“Snap! I like colourful eccentrics too and have a pretty high tolerance for unusual behaviour. Plus I do like "a carry on" (love that phrase btw ). I'm just laughing at him now whenever he's on...assuming he actually isn't having a breakdown which would not be funny at all.”

So do I but not when they're spiteful and nasty.

Frenchie was great because she knew she overstepped the mark at times and had consideration most of the time. Perez, as far as I can see, has no redeeming features.

TrebleKing

18-01-2015

Quote:
“Perez - any psychologists or psychiatrists on here?”

Yeah, 'cause loads of highly specialised psychiatric professionals loiter about on these forums....

acid rain

18-01-2015

Originally Posted by ScreamingTree<3:
“Someone tell me what Michelle, Cami and Katie H's problems are then because they are pure evil, nasty, spiteful people.”

Yes, but for some reason we're not meant to mention them.

In some ways it will be interesting when Perez goes because then the forum will have to find a new hate target.

Then maybe people will realise how horrible some of the other 'celebrities' are.

Flora_McDonald

19-01-2015

Originally Posted by too_much_coffee:
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So do I but not when they're spiteful and nasty.

Perez, as far as I can see, has no redeeming features.”

I don't know why you're homing in on Perez as some type of arch villain.. Certain people in the house are scapegoating him, and you're buying into it. e.g. When BB evicted Ken after he ignored several warnings for sexist and lewd comments aimed at humiliating or offending the women in the house, Perez got blamed for him being thrown out. Now Alexander's exit is being blamed on Perez. As far as I am aware Alexander and Perez had a bit of a run-in and Alexander called Perez a faggot. That, in my book, is more offensive than anything Perez said or did to him, so they were quits. Alexander, however, couldn't let it go. He dragged it on into the next day, was glaring at Perez and refusing to eat food which had been near him. To me, he couldn't handle the pressurised situation in the house any more. He probably deals with stressful situations in his real life by removing himself until he has calmed down, and hasn't developed enough alternative coping mechanisms. After he left, the amount of over-reaction in the house was frankly ridiculous - Cami-Lee was acting like someone had died - totally laughable. Was it her who then blamed the exits of all three people on Perez??

The only time I saw Perez being really full-on in terms of conflict was when he gave Ken a dressing down for being lewd and offensive towards the women, and personally I agreed with him, and thought that Ken deserved everything he got. Pity Michelle didn't display the backbone she's demanding from Alicia and sort Ken out herself.

Cutting up a prized pair of underpants, breaking a favoured toy/ ornament, ostracising people, etc., following someone around chanting "Get Perez Out" and trying to bully others into ostracising someone are far more spiteful and deliberately nasty actions than doing silly, obvious and infantile things like coughing in an exaggerated way, or miming an orgasm scene in order to wind housemates up/entertain the viewers.

yogacats

19-01-2015

Originally Posted by KT_Dog:
“im an armchair psychologist. And in my unprofessional opinion... He's a bellend.”

Where's the thumbs up button when you need it

Nosaer

19-01-2015

Originally Posted by jobielad:
“I am not a psychiatrist or psychologist but did run a Secure Mental Health Unit many, many years ago. People with a diagnosis of Psychopathy did show some of the behavioural traits Perez is showing (I am not saying he is a Psychopath or anything - not qualified to diagnose) i.e. attention seeking, acting out, instant gratification/reaction, inability to delay needs etc. The thing is Perez has insight and knows exactly what he is doing. The YouTube clip taken from live feed shows him saying he is going to start coughing and wake the housemates up. It's a deliberate act. He doesn't care about the housemates in that sense, has very little empathy with them and doesn't care about the consequences of his actions. Also his blogging too is very attention seeking - some of his blogs show that he doesn't care what effects his pronouncements will have on the lives of others e.g. outing people etc Hence he seems very shallow in nature. When I ran the unit just one person with Psychopathy could set the rest of the patients against each other and cause havoc if whichever person in charge didn't know how to manage it. He is causing havoc too. Perez knows what he is doing and doesn't care who gets hurt in the process e.g. Ken, Jeremy, Alex (all their careers can be harmed by his actions) He makes up his own rules and lives by them and doesn't seem to have much empathy with the group and others. Interesting but he reminds me of some of my best Psychopaths who are great at playing games and the game is always to win.

I wouldn't think he is psychotic - he doesn't show any evidence of hearing voices, seeing visions etc and he isn't totally out of touch with reality at all. He doesn't seem delusional to me either. He really did believe he was giving the public what they wanted till the boos on eviction night but he is aware enough to now know he is disliked. If he were deluded he would still believe the British Public loved him no matter what (Delusion meaning a false, fixed unshift able belief)

This is just my opinion and some of my observations. I am not a doctor and therefore not qualified to offer a medical opinion. AND as someone else has already said much more assessment is needed to make a proper diagnosis. My consultant used to ask one question when we took new patients, is the person mad or not mad and we knew what she meant i.e. psychotic or not psychotic. I would hazard a strong guess that Perez is not mad. He does however have fascinating behaviour!!! ”

I would be very interested to know how they did deal with this in the secure unit in order to preserve the health of the other patients. Was it through isolation of the psychopath?

Flora_McDonald

19-01-2015

Originally Posted by Nosaer:
“I would be very interested to know how they did deal with this in the secure unit in order to preserve the health of the other patients. Was it through isolation of the psychopath?”

I've worked in a secure mental health unit. The staff/patient ratio was high and the staff managed the patients using a whole variety of measures, but isolation was not one of them. They are sick patients, not criminals. In my opinion, a psychiatric unit would not be an appropriate place for Perez. He's like light entertainment compared to people who are genuinely seriously mentally ill, and I'd have welcomed him in my working day as a distraction from that highly stressful work. Someone mentioned bi-polar - in my view, Perez does seem to be hyper/manic.. but he's on TV and trying to be entertaining. I don't think we can assume that all this is entirely normal behaviour for him. I find him harmless, personally. I don't see what all the fuss is about. Yeah, he woke everyone up by coughing. So what? Loads of people do stuff like that. It doesn't mean they have limited empathy across the board, and doesn't make them psychopaths. Just annoying.

He is not a psychopath.

Flora_McDonald

19-01-2015

Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“Snap! I like colourful eccentrics too and have a pretty high tolerance for unusual behaviour. Plus I do like "a carry on" (love that phrase btw ). I'm just laughing at him now whenever he's on...assuming he actually isn't having a breakdown which would not be funny at all.”

LOL

stray

19-01-2015

Originally Posted by Flora_McDonald:
“I don't know why you're homing in on Perez as some type of arch villain.. Certain people in the house are scapegoating him, and you're buying into it. e.g. When BB evicted Ken after he ignored several warnings for sexist and lewd comments aimed at humiliating or offending the women in the house, Perez got blamed for him being thrown out. Now Alexander's exit is being blamed on Perez. As far as I am aware Alexander and Perez had a bit of a run-in and Alexander called Perez a faggot. That, in my book, is more offensive than anything Perez said or did to him, so they were quits. Alexander, however, couldn't let it go. He dragged it on into the next day, was glaring at Perez and refusing to eat food which had been near him. To me, he couldn't handle the pressurised situation in the house any more. He probably deals with stressful situations in his real life by removing himself until he has calmed down, and hasn't developed enough alternative coping mechanisms. After he left, the amount of over-reaction in the house was frankly ridiculous - Cami-Lee was acting like someone had died - totally laughable. Was it her who then blamed the exits of all three people on Perez??

The only time I saw Perez being really full-on in terms of conflict was when he gave Ken a dressing down for being lewd and offensive towards the women, and personally I agreed with him, and thought that Ken deserved everything he got. Pity Michelle didn't display the backbone she's demanding from Alicia and sort Ken out herself.

Cutting up a prized pair of underpants, breaking a favoured toy/ ornament, ostracising people, etc., following someone around chanting "Get Perez Out" and trying to bully others into ostracising someone are far more spiteful and deliberately nasty actions than doing silly, obvious and infantile things like coughing in an exaggerated way, or miming an orgasm scene in order to wind housemates up/entertain the viewers.”

Well said, Flora, I'm coming round to thinking this way about Perez myself.

anne_666

19-01-2015

Wow... hear hear and well said!

Nollaig79

19-01-2015

Perez probably has a histrionic personality disorder tbh. He has a lot of the symptoms

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